Originally posted by: Y12345
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Thanks for explaining. So you said that it was destiny and pre-written. Every action leads to a reaction. So Krishna knew what would happened. If he could prevent the actions leading to war, he could have prevented war.
He wouldn't have done that, because he gave freewill to every human being. He gave them a mind to differentiate between what is right and what is wrong. If a person committed a sin, it's only his sin and God can't do anything in that case.
Totally agree with you though that Pandavs and Drapuadi were born for him only. So they become his medium used for the Dharma war.
About last paragraph, hard to digest that, that one can go through a adharma route just for dharma. I mean if we apply to today's society, it's not tolerated, just because you have good intentions, doesn't give you the right to get the work done by crook or hook.
The thing that bothers me, is that Krishna himself didn't use treachery, he made them used treachery. He didnt do anything wrong himself directly but he made others commit adharma.
You agreed that the Pandavas and Draupadi are born for him only, right?
They were not "others" at all. If Pandavas used treachery in the war, then he himself used it. Pandavas are the jivatmas who surrendered to the Paramatma Krishna at that time. He was making them perform their duty and nothing else.
Just for Dharma? Dharma is the way we have to live. It is righteousness. It is Dharma which enables the Sun to rise in the morning and set In the evening. Without Dharma, there is no life. Thus, if he used treachery to reestablish the Dharma, then that is no more a treachery. That is what Dharma is. Why is it not tolerated in today's society? For me, intentions matter. Yes, actions do matter too, but intentions matter more. For example, you are standing behind a murderer who is going to kill innocent children. You are holding a knife in your hand and he doesn't know you are present in the situation. You have stabbed him from the back to save the children. So, you used deciet. But, did you commit any adharma? No. He was going to kill those children and you killed him. Now, this will be termed as Dharma. The definitions of Dharma and Adharma are complicated.
PS: I feel that not just Guru Drona, but almost all of them had a big ego. Arjuna, Bheem, Duryodhana, Shakuni,
I mentioned that Dronacharya was a brahmin. Brahmins are not supposed to have ego nor vengeful nature. But, he did. About Suyodhana and Shakuni, It's from Shakuni that Suyodhana learnt how to live after all. So, Shakuni might have been egoistic as well, cause Suyodhana was. Arjuna had pride, but not ego. Ego is different. It will not tolerate insults rendered to our own talent and character. But, Arjuna was described as in control of his senses all the time, (except few incidents, where he was extremely angry like any other.). Pride is considering ourself unique, but not getting angry when insulted nor insulting others. Bhima had no ego. He also had pride. He got angry only when dear ones were insulted (Arjuna too, in fact). But, even while not having any ego, their prides had been major flaws for both, including other Pandavas (minus Dharmaraj) and Draupadi.If we start to dissect, there is a lot of room for interpretation because MB is complex. I completely agree that Draupadi being the queen faced such abuse, now imagine common women. Though it is important to note that if common women would go through this, no war would have been fought for them. The war was (partly) fought for Draupaudi's honor, who was of higher status, which also led to thousands of women losing their hubby, because Drapudi was the queen and the war was necessary,
See, Kunti abused Drapaudi too, Pandavs too. Pandavs always ask permission from Kunti, and somewhere I feel she knew they were going to Draupadi Swayamb.. and when she said " divide what you have" cracked me. But they all got their share of pain, Pandavs stayed quiet all their sons died too.
Mahabharata is actually badly diluted, interpolated, and butchered to be honest. There are many contradictions and illogical things to prove that it has been butchered by many, important ones being: Mughal rulers. We really need to study it carefully and understand it well to interpret it correctly. I follow my devotion to Lord Krishna and he guides me towards the truth. Yes, it was partly fought for Draupadi's honour, widowing many women. But I feel it was fought for women's honour nonetheless, cause we don't know the list of good deeds and misdeeds of the soldiers who died. But, one point to be noted: Lord gave moksha to every person who breathed their last on the Kurukshetra battlefield, experiencing pain beyond our thinking. He had done it cause he had to, but he suffered the pain more than any of the women or men suffered.
This is another modern interpretation that Kunti and the Pandavas "abused" Draupadi. If that is so, then Krishna too "abused" her? Cause, he was the one who approved this marriage and in fact convinced everyone including Kunti.
Yes, Pandavas always ask permission from Kunti. But, they didn't ask while going to the swayamwar. She thought they were going to get alms. They actually hid from her the fact that they were going to participate / have the intention to participate. Cause, when they were staying in Ekachakrapura, Vyasa once came to them when Kunti was not there. He informed them that a woman named Krishnaa is waiting for them at Panchala as it's princess to marry them. He told a story of her past and ordered them to go and marry her. As the order is complicated as he told them all five to marry the same woman, they didn't tell this to Kunti. It's only after they returned to the hut with the princess, that she voiced the order unknowingly and then after seeing Draupadi she was utterly shocked. But, Vyasa and Krishna intervened and told them their past and their divine identities. Draupadi and Pandavas themselves had fallen in love with each other. All the five loved her and Draupadi too loved all the five. Thus, Lord approved this marriage. Lord never approves loveless marriages after all! And about their sons' death, they suffered for the mistake them made in the dyutasabha by not being able to stand for Draupadi's honour.
Guys, you were right. Krishna is god so it is impossible to understand him. Though, the heart of MB, lies in understanding him. You asked me about the common world, and this is difficult to answer,. MB was fought years ago partly because, they tried to disrobe a woman, however years after, woman are still getting raped, and rape is justified and women are blamed. It;s sad that people didnt learn a bit from MB. Evil is prevailing
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Yes, it is difficult to understand him. But, it is definitely possible if we try. This is the Kaliyuga. When the fresh start for this yuga happened (After Mahabharata), everything was good. But as the time gradually passed, the darkness grew. We're on the verge of destruction. People judge and blame God, both men and women are trapped in the clutches of male chauvinism or pseudo feminism. The modern science is destroying the nature. Everything is mess in the world. I pray to Lord Kalki to destroy this horrible world as soon as possible and recreate a fresh and beautiful world. 🤔
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