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Posted: 04 November 2015 at 3:45pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by 26javey

Originally posted by Venus.X

Hey guys! (And Abby LOL)
I just caught up on Sangat and man, what a show!

Firstly, I'm so upset at Ayesha!!! Why won't she tell her mother everything? Especially since she is getting so close with her rapist. Angry

Secondly, I thought that Adnan would flip out if he heard that the baby girl is not his.. but looks like he doesn't believe it. I was sure that he would disown her if he finds out that Sangat is not her child but now I'm not so sure.

Thirdly, why are the makers making me like Shavez, a rapist?? They are making something as serious like rape a benign issue.  I guess they are trying to show two sides of the coin and show us how the rapist became who he is.  Still, it will take a lot to make me accept Shavez.

@abby - tnx for recommending this drama! Will visit this thread more often Smile
If Shavez were real and we had everyday interactions with him then we may or may not like him based on what we know. We could be amongst rapists, not know who they really are and still like them from how they behave with us. They're showing there is more to a rapist than just the beast. However, from my research on the rapist perspectives very few feel remorse. And despite the remorse we don't have to accept or like him. The victim could easily be one of us or someone dear to us (Astagfarulla). So, we watch the show and see that he has some humanity and we are not obliged to forgive just because he feels remorse. It's a very delicate topic and the way the writers are showing it (showing it's possible for a rapist to feel remorse) isn't exactly the best way. It can be handled with muh more care. If they were handling it better the audience wouldn't be rooting for him (with anyone), they wouldn't be confused on what they should feel about the rapist. A rapist is a rapist regardless of how he/she feels after the incident. And if they feel remorse that's good, but they should leave the victim alone. The victim will most likely be facing PTSD and they don't need the rapist to trigger and unless they're getting a proper treatment anything can trigger it. So, them showing Shavez feels remorse is good for Shavez because he still has his humanity. But we as an audience don't have to accept him. We see he realises he committed a sin and he should redeem himself, but would be accept one in real life? No, we wouldn't, so why would be accept a fictional one?

Agreed. And your comment lead me to another qualm I have:  How is it so easy for Ayesha to face Shavez after the first encounter? And would a victim really feel "better" after her rapist comes up to her and apologizes (like the psychologist tells Ayesha)? That seems a little bizarre Confused Victims would be scared of their rapist or really really angry at them - but having such a small reaction is odd.

Originally posted by ABBY_JERAN

Originally posted by starstruckk

The show is making audiences have mixed feelings towards a rapist and that is plain wrong. Add to the fact that the victim is very confused and helpless doesn't help either.
 
The audience is confused coz it's NOT TOTALLY A RAPE STORY...the story is about sangat and how each n every person related to her will join hands to mk her survive...how people will luv her in different ways instead of being a rape child

Audience is confused coz the show is not going the way they wanted a typical rape show to progress 

It has branches which they didn't expect 

And that's what mks the show as a winner 

And shavez got so much hype partly coz of zahids stardom as main lead hero 

That's why everyone is linking him with saba q romantically from epi 1 whereas till now there has been so such track 

The show gave a new dimension to a rape story which is not just about the victim n her parents banging their heads on the wall locking themselves in bathroom episodes after episodes until a knight in shining armour comes to tell her she is pure 

Here it's very different and rape is NOT the main story...it's just the base of the story...the main story about SANGAT is still to unveil 

As of now we r watching how sangat is already intertwining the characters in a very realistic way 

@bold - if this is where the story is going, then I am very much interested to see how they tackle the little girl's fate.  However, I think that had they kept the victim and the rapist separate, not have them meet in such a nonchalant way, and keep the rapist's story completely separate, the story might have sat better with a large chunk of the audience.


Edited by Venus.X - 04 November 2015 at 3:49pm

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Posted: 04 November 2015 at 3:58pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by ABBY_JERAN

Originally posted by starstruckk

@ Abby The fact that the RAPIST isn't behind bars and is roaming around repenting on the streets, not to mention being able to EASILY convey how "awful" he feels while the ACTUAL VICTIM has felt disgusted with herself and can't even open up to anyone without indirectly being asked to shut up, is pathetic.

And why is this NOT a story about a rapist paying for the heinous crime that he has committed? You're going to use such a topic for your show and then have no idea on how to tackle it?  That's not even an excuse. I don't care how sorry the rapist feels..even a murderer can feel awful for the murder he has committed, but what are we supposed to do with that? It won't ever erase the crimes they've committed.  If not the traumatized victim, then the family or society around should ask for justice by default. This show shows NOTHING of such sort. It's a failed story that has made a mockery out of such a sensitive topic like rape. Plain and simple.

The show is NOT trying to ERASE the rape as a crime 

And it's not as if the whole world knows about shavez being the rapist and all r silent 

Then ur accusation of the rapist roaming around freely wud hv made sense 

But except for ashi no one knows shavez is the culprit and she is scared to admit as she hasn't made the rape incident public yet 

There is lots more left to b shown in the upcoming 14 epis 

So don't pass on ur Verdict as if the show has already ended

The story is just getting intense 

U don't care about the rapist 

Good for u 

But showing the rapist side of the story is what's making the show different and hence it's such a big hit ...

All want to know what happens next 

Trps hv risen after shavez story hv started unfolding

So it's wrong to say no one is interested to see a hatke rape show 

And whether the show made a mockery of rape or not ...that Verdict u keep to urself till the last Epi airs 

Coz by the posts here it seems like they hv read the script beforehand n already deciding the end themselves 

@ bold: and you do? Well, good for you then. However, everyone isn't you and you can't force people to stop commenting on a show that deals with a sensitive topic such as rape. And, no... people are not predicting the future episodes or the ending here..people are talking about what's going on in the show at the present moment along with what has happened already.

And people KNOW that Ashi was raped but they aren't helping her. Instead, Ashi is the one who  is being asked to remain silent when she should be the one raising her voice. If not her, then her family should...but NO one is and no one even allows her to properly express how she feels in any of this . And here, the rapist is roaming freely, expressing his feelings openly about how guilty he feels...only allowing viewers to feel confused about the rapist in the show.



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Posted: 04 November 2015 at 4:37pm | IP Logged
Tumhein kaunsa daura par gaya hai?
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Posted: 04 November 2015 at 7:03pm | IP Logged
No in every show we see the victim suffering and being blamed, just like Ashis husband will punish her in this show too
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Posted: 04 November 2015 at 7:21pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by OnlyHope

Tumhein kaunsa daura par gaya hai?

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Posted: 04 November 2015 at 7:36pm | IP Logged
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Hello guys i m not watching the show ,waiting for its end so that i can start...but recently i came across a review saying that in this show the rapist is being glorified and makers r trying to make the viwers sympathized with the rapist...if it is true i will not watch this crap Angry i had great expectations from this show because of the cast..it is very disappointing... Senior actors like saba meekal should think twice before choosing these type of dramas  as they r very sensitive issues
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Posted: 05 November 2015 at 4:02am | IP Logged
Originally posted by ABBY_JERAN

Originally posted by 26javey

I don't condone how the show is going. Like Star said having mixed feelings about the rapist is plain wrong. Would we ever have mixed feelings about a rapist in real life? No, we would. So, why should we in reel life? 
Abby, you just said he feels guilt after seeing Ashi in pain. Does that mean he feels guilt for his actions or the consequences of his actions? I'm not sure that's clear. He feels guilt, which he should, but why can't he feel it behind bars? I recently read an article which talks about how we condone rape and rapist by letting them roam freely. By telling the victim to let them be and move on. It really hit me and we shouldn't. We shouldn't want it on television either. 

And as for people shipping Shavez and Salma, it's just sad. The poor girl deserves someone better. A rapist is a rapist just like a murderer is a murderer. Both are heinous crimes and should not be forgiven. 


None of the above points earlier is shown in the show 

By the moulovi shavez convo it was made VERY MUCH CLEAR by the writer to the viwers that HOW BIG A GUNAAH is rape considered in Islam and it's an unforgivable crime doesn't matter how much he repents now...but all he can do is minimize the punishment by doing repentance with true heart and asking her forgiveness

Saba mom indeed tells her to move on coz for the mom the rapist was a burgler...
but she was never shown just to let the rapist move around n let him be the way it was shown in chup raho 

Saba mom is shown to b a very strong working lady here who tried her best to bring Saba to a normal life 

And no one is shipping shavez Salma ...people find their nok jhoks cute and a pleasant comic Break from the other otherwise tensed scenes


We as the audience understand that rape is a big sin, it's not something we learnt from the show. It's good they're showing it, but majority of the audience already knows this. But what I still don't understand is whether he is feeling remorse of commiting the sin or the consequences of commiting the sin. You said he started to feel guilty after he saw the pain Ashi's going through, so what is he quilty about. And they should do a better job at showing him repenting. Also, him asking her for forgiveness is selfish in my eyes. He's done so much to her and instead of letting her be he needs her forgiveness. He should be repenting to Allah and leaving Ashi alone.

And her mom is more progressive than the usual ones, but she as an educated woman should understand her daughter is going through PTSD and a few sessions won't just fix it. They could have easily shown it as Ashi's journey towards self acceptance, that would have sent a more meaningful message. Instead we're being shown them talking about moving on and suddenly they've moved on. Where's the journey?


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