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Posted: 15 May 2015 at 12:17am | IP Logged
Thank you so much, my dear, both for liking this post and for your concern about my kaput knee. The surgery is on May 30,  and I am counting the days. For the current situation is worsening by the day, and last night, I also  managed to trip on a carpet end and fell down heavily. Thank God it did not happen in June with my new knee!Wink

I agree in toto. with your caustic take on the Mahakumbh script. Your crack that Nile Mississippi can be next season's destinations for MKis very funny, not that I think there is going to be another season for Mahakumbh! If it had not been a finite serial, the channel would have axed it  midway. Your 'Apanehi jaal me phasat jaat , hum marat jaat' is spot on, especially the latter part.

The only bright spots are MB, who is uniformly superb, Rudra, who has been improving dramatically of late, and Dansh, whose quirks are now familiar and his good bits  pleasing.

I shall be writing on Sunday about what a cat's cradle this tale has become. For me, the limit was the new naga Guru Emeritus waving a forked tongue long enough to qualify for the Guinness Book. Ugh..Angry

Shyamala

Originally posted by seedhibaat

Thanks Shyamalaji for this detailed post. 
Whosoever writes the story for this show now onward has a mammoth task ahead. many loose ends and bizarre situations to explain. I am not interested in speculating  how they are going to do itEmbarrassed

Nile Mississippi can be next season's destinations for MK. The dialodges between Rao and Greyerson were absurd. Tongue
Most senseless was 3 drops of Leela curing Rudra. Leela had her wrist slit in previous episode which was nursed by T mai. In next episode she was cured fully only to cut same wrist again. 
Ye flaw ka MK hai.Angry
Loved Dansh-Mb scenes . they were like 7 min Amrut scenes baki sab shunya. Embarrassed
it is going to be increasingly difficult to watch the show with 'conscious Maya. 'Wink
I dont know how many will agree with me, but Maya Rudra love story flagged the downfall of the show. 
This is going as 'Apanehi jaal me phasat jaat , hum marat jaat' Unfortunately the writer is not Chatur as it was expected. 
Shyamalaji do take good care of yourself. We all always love to read your posts. Good luck for your knee replacement. 

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My dear Santhi,

Ab kaise batayein ki kis baat pe rona aaya?

At the new naga Guru Emeritus, with a forked tongue that would be a shoo in for the Guinness Book? AngryAt  yet another encounter between the 'Veshes and a sadhu baba with so much hair in front of his face that it looked like the latest style in veils?Wink

At Shivanand, the ghar ka bhedi  who deploys all his new cunning to destroy the mission of the garuds, and wants to neutralise his Garud Pramukh son as well?

Can anyone really believe that this drastic and ugly about turn in his character is just because of the naga vish? It is not just that he is afraid in an  hysterical manner, as he was with MB. This is deep, disruptive cunning, carefully and very effectively deployed to  turn the garuds  around 180 degrees, and thus  play  totally into Dansh's hands. Very unpleasant viewing, with Thappadiya  Mai as the sole relief.

So we were of one mind about the Guru Maharaj being the naagbali called for. But why has nothing happened thereafter? Shivanand's powers are no greater, for all that his cunning has multipled manifold.  I think this week's writers have not seen the previous week' script!Wink

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Originally posted by pasumarthisa

Shyamala ji,
 
Agree with you.
 
I too felt that Nag in vishkendra dying was the nagabali needed and wrote about it.
 
MB had assured that the poison wont spread in Maya. So why the urgency to get the cure when the mission is in shambles and when his dad is in trouble?
 
We have to reset our expectations big time after UN's exit. Saw his replies to you.

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Yes, Shruthi, I too am looking forward eagerly to seeing Rudra land a juicy left hook on Shivanand's chin on Monday, and then beat up Charles and Tiwari as well.  I agree in toto with you about MB's  drastic techniques for clearing Shivanand's brain and blood. It is the classic a stitch in time saves nine  kind of situation.

This apart, can anyone be really asked to believe that this drastic and ugly about turn in Shivanand's character was just because of the naga vish? He was nothing like this while driving the shav vahan, with all the vish already inside him. Nor is it any longer that he is afraid in an  hysterical manner, as he was with MB. This is deep, disruptive cunning, carefully and very effectively deployed to  turn the garuds  around 180 degrees, and thus  play  totally into Dansh's hands. Very unpleasant viewing, with Thappadiya  Mai as the sole relief.

As I remember, you and I and Santhi were of one mind about the Guru Maharaj being the naagbali called for. But why has nothing happened thereafter? Shivanand's powers are no greater, for all that his cunning has multiplied manifold.  I think this week's writers have not seen the previous week' script!Wink

As for Utkarsh falling out with the PH  on the Maya-Leela angle, remember that it was he who wrote the abysmal Rudra-Maya prem vivah kahani.  He can hardly complain about this now!Wink

It is not just the love story or the love triangle, it is the mess that has been created in the crucial areas of the script. Just think of the monumental bloomer of Rao's Mississippi, Colorado, Nile and Ganga pronouncements! How could  they drop that in as if it was a minor correction in the tale?Angry

I admire your unquenchable optimism about the serial, something  you share with Shubha, but I am thoroughly disillusioned  by now. The latest Guru Emeritus of the nagas,   with a forked tongue that ought to qualify for the Guinness Book of World RecordsWink, was the last straw. It just goes to show that they have by now NO idea what to do or show, adn are flailing around at random.

On the plus side, apart from the unfailing excellence of MB, Dansh is good most of the time, and Rudra has been improving dramatically of late.

Shyamala Di


Originally posted by shruthiravi

Shymaladi precap looked more interesting, Rudra finally forced to fight his father. Symbolically it is the direct fight of head vs heart, logic vs conscience. I simply loved it.
 
This was what Bairavi knew will happen. That is why she was beating up Shiva. She knew he might be capable of spreading the fear pshycosis and Rudra will be forced to fight his own father in the line of duty.
 
If Rudra had allowed her to do what she was doing, he wouldn't have faced with the conflicting choice of fighting his father.
 
One more message. If you don't take harsh steps to correct your kith or kin due to the love you have for them, day wont be far when you have fight with them for your own rights.
 
Also I don't think UN's point of contention would have been Shiva. That looks logical only to me. I guess his contention would have been more about Maya-Leela chakkar. Because that track is very very poor yet, not convincing. Rudra going to Vish Kendra, Maya's antics. I don't know for me that love story has been the most unconvincing and poorly written script part.

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No Shymaladi. Shiva's condition is not just because of the poison. Dansh and co has systematically broken down his mind creating illusions. If you see Shiva as a person once obsessed with an idea he is obsessed with it. Earlier his obsession was protection of Amrit. Now his obsession is they all will die.
He represents the head symbolically our ego. For ego they are always right. They never love to accept defeat. Actually during that Maya vivah phase Shiva was actually bending on his ego, he was looking at his family too beyond his conviction. That's why he had a conflict, a confusion, when his wife asked him till date she has always listened to him, but she is now requesting her son. That was the point where Shiva's conscience was getting awakened along with his ego.
 
But then Nagas evaded that space and took him. And then they were clever to do mind control than the physical control which Greyson and co did. A man with supreme ego and unquencing thirst for the mission and survival instinct cannot be broken down by any kind of physical torture. Because his mind is focused on the mission.
 
But it is that mind Nagas attacked. Now this man whose ego is strong has been inflicted with negative emotions. The ego which was earlier a positive push has now become the biggest negative push. And just like Amrit ki Raksha, he wants everyone to listen to him. His hysterics are various methods, same way egoistic people use to get their way. First try hysterics to which Rudra falls. Then talk about defeat in a slow way to people. If they are not listening give more fear psycohis. Tell them in such a way that in the end they fall in line with him or agree to his thoughts.
 
Shiva's ego, if it hadn't landed in the dwidha would have been the best possible push for Garuds for the Amrit ki Raksha. if Dadi had not intervened with him on parivaar tamasha and Rudra didn't run away with Maya ka Chakkar. But now that ego is used against them in the most negative way.
 
Shiva has kept people in his side by fear. The one and only antidote to fear is trust. But for getting trust you have to prove yourself. And to prove yourself you have to fight and in such an important fight you have always need an emotional support. For that you have to trust the person who trusts in your ability unconditionally and never question their actions. For Rudra it was MB who trusts him as a son and as Garuda Pramukh. Because you get trust from others only if you are willing to trust others.
 
If you ask me as a person if we want to achieve something it is the ego that we need to fight. When Rudra ask MB to go it is his ego making him do it. I am Garuda Pramukh. That me, I am right always, I have the power, I am... is your biggest enemy. Ego should never cloud Trust and voice of reason, which happened to Rudra and he is paying the price.  


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Thank you, my poppet.

At this rate, I shall run out of cracks for this last week. You have seen my post on Arshi's  thread of yesterday, which is good preview, but I am getting tired to making fun of the onscreen goings on or  voicing dismay. My muse is beginning to run dry, just as it did for Jodha Akbar. And this at just over 80 episodes!

Well, let us see if Rudra, after having complained about MB pasting his Baba with her staff, now lands him a good, juicy right hook,. and then beats up Charles and Tiwari as well. That will be some consolation for having had to put up with this  incomprehensibly devious and treacherous Shivanand.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by Sandhya.A

Originally posted by sashashyam

The biggest  bonanza about a pathetic  week is the added bonus of cracks in your posts aunty. More the inconsistency  more the sarcasm  and wit.

-Augustus Rao: Augustus (Agastya Parashar Gautam) Rao, with those AK- 47 toting guards all lined up, and a  dim tent  with more zombie like guards in it, looked more ludicrous than scary.  Julius Caesar's nephew, the first Roman Emperor Augustus Caesar,  would be horrified at the sight of such a downmarket namesake!

ROFL

What was it with that Ruritanian style uniform? He would have been   definitely more sinister in  his regulation grey jacket. Rao  is also a remarkably wooden faced actor, which does not  help matters.  He cannot convey menace even when the recipients, the Veshes, are more than ready to genuflect before him in rank fear.

He can compete  with  maya in blandness quotient.

Pointless bravado: His boasting about how he will become the second Bhagwan, the one on earth -   who would have found out the formula for  creating amrit  by analyzing a sample (this is itself a very tall claim, but let that pass!), would manufacture it wholesale in a factory, and then sell immortality at extortionate prices -   would be comical if it were not so illogical.

Did he really?ROFL. Just  imagine  Rao's  'immortality  for sale'. In different  sized bottles.LOL. And why  would  the  client pay. Well, he would  initially  and then come back to grab it. He cannot  be  harmed anyway as he is immortal. LOL

Now, Rao, out of the blue and quite casually, informs his ADC Greyerson: Bharatiya shastron ke anusaar, dharti ko ek jeevit vastu maana gaya hai. Isiliye yahan ki sanskriti mein ise maa kaha jaata hai. Ab jis prakaar maa apne bachche ke liye doodh paida karti hai, waise hi yeh dharti samay samay par amrit paida karti hai. Us amrit ka durupayog na ho isliye us amrit ko nadi mein undelne ka kaam kuch logon ko saunp diya jaata hai.

America mein Mississippi aur Colorado, Africa mein Nile, aur India mein Ganga, in nadiyon mein amrit undela jaata hai. Isiliye in nadiyon ka duniya bhar mein bada mahatva hai. Par yeh bahut gut rakha gaya hai, taaki is prakriya mein koyi baadha na pahunche.

Now what is the viewer to  make of this sudden revelation? The Nile is of  course the  River of Life for Egypt, but I never knew that the Mississippi and the Colorado were sacred rivers as well!  I have visited the  valley of the Colorado twice, and the Grand Canyon as well. Pity I did not know that the river water was laced with amrit, nahin to ek lota Colorado ka jal to saath mein lati aur pooja ghar mein Gangajal ke saath rakh deti!Wink

ROFL. Jai Mississippi  maatha. Jo koi thumko dhyaatha, Colorado hey maatha, moksh mil jaatha, Jai Mississippi  maatha  . Lord, my pet, this is priceless!Clap

And what is it about those tasked with the undelna of the amrit , that Mother Earth apparently disgorges spontaneously and sporadically, into these designated rivers? When and where? And who are those designated for this ultra secret task?

It is all more that bizarre.  If Rao knows of the when and where, why does he  not go there and collect an amrit  sample  at the very source, from the earth? Why indulge in all this complicarted and long rigmarole?

Jokes apart, the whole thing is nuts. It demolishes, at one stroke,  the whole basis of our tale thus far:  that the amrit  can be seen, and if possible got, only from the Saraswati at the pre-destined time and place, at the special Mahakumbh once every 144 years.  If one can get amrit  from the Nile and the Mississippi and the Colorado, then why wait for 144 years and then congregate only at the Mahakumbh in Prayag?

It sounded as if the writer had been high on  something quite potent!WinkWink

ROFL

- The great vish hunt: As I had expected, this was pure abracadabra,  straight out something like Hatim Tai.  There was the  bubbling, boiling brew of vish,  and the Guru Maharaj sticking out his forked tongue and waving it about repeatedly  in front of  a totally unmoved  Rudra. Perhaps he did it to reassure himself that it was indeed there in his mouth, for there was no other valid reason that I could think of.Wink

ROFL.

Instead, questions, all logical, surfaced. Why does Rudra not take Leela with him to the vish kendra? She should know best how to tackle it.  If he does want to go alone, why does he not take one of the DM's jeeps  with him, so that he can make it back fast, and without having to provide such prolonged delectation for the Naga Pramukh?

Logic not allowed.

-A  naagmani, a naagmani!:   

Why, that  she had no other choice but to betray Rudra and lead him to his death, because Dansh ke paas wo mani hai jiske kaaran hum sab ko uske ishaaron par chalna padega..  In short, the naagmani beloved of writers  and directors of  fantasies involving ichchadaari nagas  and nagins,  often with the sultry Sridevi heading the cast. Wink

And Amrish puri as sapera.ROFL. Who knows , we may have a naag dance by Mona Darling.LOL I  see that you are fixated on Mona darling, but I doubt if the budget - already over stretched by so many new babas, with or without forked tongues, will run to a new sultry siren.Wink

Still ruled by his heart: But then he lapsed into folly, going alone and on foot to find the vish kendra  and tackle the  naga  guardian of the kendra, the Guru Maharaj. Why does he not take Leela with him, which would have been the only logical thing to do? Not only does he go alone, but he does not even think of going by jeep up to the point nearest the location, so as to be able to rush back with the vish,  nor of providing himself with some safe container for the vish. How did he think he was going to transport it back to his tent?In his mouth?

ROFL


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Yes, my little Mishti, but luckily she has been kidnapped, and so we need not be plagued with her for a  while. Leela ne bhi to khatiya pakad li, after the loss of just 3 drops of her  blood! I never knew that naagins were so delicate!Wink

I am watching the retelecasts of Mahadev regularly, and 3/4 days  ago I  saw  that bit about Mahadev thanking the snakes for coming to help him drink the vish. I had actually seen those episodes the first time around, in end 2012, but I had forgotten about the nagas  coming to help him. He gives them the vardaan  that to worship them would be to worship him, which was probably the beginning of the naagpooja  tradition.

Dansh  was thus quite correct in the version he recounted to Leela, except that he added  bichchoos aas well. But  in the essentials, he was accurate and I shall now give him credit for that!Wink

But what of the naagbali - that of the Guru Maharaj, he of the forked tongue, should surely qualify? - and the consequent awakening of the shaktis of at least one garud? They all still seem to be not only shaktiheen  but  dimaagheen  as well!Wink I think the writers have forgotten about that bit.  What bet that they similarly  forget about Dansh's naagmani?Wink

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Originally posted by mishtidoi

Maya has woken upShockedShockedShocked
Aunty, in DKDM, they are showing "Samudra Manthan"...and Shiva thanked snakes for helping him in drinking vish...so this formed the base story of MK

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My dear Aparna,

Thank you so much for the morale booster! I needed that, for my muse if beginning to dry up when it comes to Mahakumbh,and if I myself am not satisfied by what I produce, how will anyone else like it? 

To revert, I am very pleased that you noted, and liked, that line about Seema Biswas as MB.

My post next Sunday will probably be on the same lines as this one, so please bear with me! After having had to suffer the intolerable Shivanand, the ultra long forked tongue of the Guru Emeritus of the nagas, surely a shoo in for the Guinness Book of World Records,  was the ruddy limit.Angry

Shyamala

Originally posted by appukrish


Thanks again for the lovely analysis. Inconsistencies galore..

Agree with you about Rao. America mein Mississippi aur Colorado, Africa mein Nile, aur India mein Ganga, in nadiyon mein amrit undela jaata hai. Isiliye in nadiyon ka duniya bhar mein bada mahatva hai. Par yeh bahut gut rakha gaya hai, taaki is prakriya mein koyi baadha na pahunche.
If this was so, why is he taking all this trouble here at MK? Why not just get the Amrit from America or Egypt? Yes, Writer must have been high on something !    

i didn't get the point of this sudden running off to vishkendra in the middle of taking care of Shivanand. Rudra, as the Pramukh would have made a better decision & taken leela with him or better yet waited on this coz MB had assured him that Maya is safe. But alas he falls again into the jaal (Mayajaal). "Main duniya bhula doonga, teri chahat main' is perfect for Rudra(for Maya) at this point. 
Your last line here about MB/SB was superb - - 'She has the  gift of  making even a fleeting shot a must watch.'

And after all that running,drops of Leela's blood rids him off the poison, and Maya is treated with Rudra's blood mixed with some jadi booti..- what bloody relations..All that Vish hunt torture on us and this is how it ended. 

I have had enough of all the Garuds still stumbling and falling aimlessly. With Shivanand still a lost case, now Katherine in a similar state, looks like it will be like a Bollywood movie climax with our heroes coming together in the last minute to save the Amrit. Hope its not like that. 
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Now your second question, my pet, is a peach! Wink

But the nagalok, very near the Mahakumbh grounds since MB and Dansh can see the Ganga from there,   is probably like Hogwarts, looking like a rocky hill to all but the initiates like MB, Guru Maharaj and so on.

The really odd thing is the way all and sundry  from among the garuds  and Rao drift in and out of the underground library, which is accessed thru such a public place, the old home of khoye paaye  Pandey. How long ago that seems!.

It is amazing that neither the 'Veshes  nor Dansh have landed up there. Probably too busy with their assorted gurus, with or without forked tongues.Wink

The latest addition to the tribe of naga gurus, their Guru Emeritus, judging from Dansh's shashtaang pranam,   sticks out a forked tongue that would surely qualify for the Guinness Book of World Records! Ugh..Angry. And then yet another encounter between the 'Veshes and a sadhu baba with so much hair in front of his face that it looked like the latest style in veils!

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Originally posted by Sandhya.A

Am i the  only  one  who can't  understand?Confused
How was  the  Ganga  poisoned (not nagas  as Danshhh himself  is  surprised  )and how did it purify itself  with light from  the  stick? It  was the halahal which emerges before the amrit is due. It  is apparently a natural phenomenon, seeing that they are going in for an almost exact copy of the samudramanthan.

How far and how exposed is naglok from Allahabad? People seem to walk in and out any day any time.Shocked






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