Dharamkshetra discussion thread 2 (Page 16)

Arijit007 IF-Sizzlerz

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Posted: 15 May 2015 at 10:21pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Arijit007


Keshav called for and conducted his own trial and then bowled a googly to Justice Chitragupta asking him to pronounce the judgementTongue.

As I understood in the show the googly from the CVs to the audience was that Dushy knew that Krishna was there during the VH. (Now if I understood that wrongly then it was a googly only to me).

Edited by ThePirateKing - 15 May 2015 at 10:23pm

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Posted: 15 May 2015 at 10:23pm | IP Logged
 I thought the Karna episode was the worst. This one managed to do the impossibleLOL
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Posted: 16 May 2015 at 12:41am | IP Logged
After almost skipping the entire series, I finally watched the finale of DK- Keshav!
I was reminded of a corporate meeting. Where your boss is in a self-loathing spree and all the employees are trying to register their token protest with "Oh no sir, you were not wrong, you don't need to clarify etc...". 
Something similar happened in the last episode. At regular intervals you had random characters mouth-"Oh, you don't need to go through this". When Dury and Karna did this, I seriously had to let out aLOL.

So basically Keshav had to explain why he in spite of being an Incarnate allowed the story to happen the way it is. He out of his own goodwill proceeded to explain the eclipse during Jayadrath vadh, and the Dron lie and Dury's broken thigh. 

The exciting part was the last round of this trial. When each character had to stand up as in a classroom and spell out the moral of his/her story. Some of them made sense, some appeared to be rambling as if just out of a napLOL.

And yes, the part where Dushy was explaining to Panchali how Keshav was there during the VH was epic in all senses of the wordLOL. Panchali's expression was classic-Ya, of all the people you should be telling me that! And I, the one who supposedly invoked him through my ardent prayers obviously had no clue,right?

Oh and obviously there was no question of punishment for Keshav. But he did pronounce a sentence for himself-that he would always be available for us. Assuming 'us' is represented by the people present in the court-from petulant kids to self righteous kings to victimised son of the sun to reluctant warriors to assertive queens-- I would agree, it would be quite a bit of a punishment dealing with them and their problems.!! 

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Posted: 16 May 2015 at 3:59am | IP Logged
well, it means that he is everywhere in the epic . as for krishna the god, he is with every person in the world. hare krishna.

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Posted: 16 May 2015 at 4:46am | IP Logged
Originally posted by The.Lannister

Originally posted by panchaali

Originally posted by The.Lannister

@Parshuram & Drona: I have never really understood why a guru MUST accept a person as his student just because the student wants to study under him. Same thing with the weapons too. Karna thinks he deserves to know Bramhastra vidya. Karna thinks he deserves a teacher like Parshuam. But if the teacher doesn't agree why is he wrong? (wrt Chitragupta chastising Parshuram & Drona for not doing the duty of a teacher)The teachers have got all their weapons after a lot of study, hard work & dedication. Aren't they within their rights to refuse to give them to a person whom they consider unfit? Does it make them less noble? Yes, probably. Does it make them wrong & give the pupil a right to deceive the guru? Absolutely not!

sorry I have to disagree...

the teachers did not find Karna unfit they find his caste was unfit...that is the difference

[in fact Parsuram loved Karna dearly for his merit...which means he had everything to get the Brahmastra vidya] 

in olden days teachers used to choose a student based on their merits but later the system became corrupted...

and I do not see any flaw in Chirtagupta's verdict...any sane person will do the same...

P.S:- you are a Tyrion Lannister fan I thought you like Karna, coz Tyrion has many similarities with Karna...Smile

Drona did teach him. And Parshuram had vowed not to teach the entire Kshatriya caste. It was nothing against Karna personally. 

A teacher's duty is to share knowledge to everyone..that's why a person is called teacher...if he chooses a student based on his caste and refuses to teach another based on his caste.. person is definitely NOT at all an example of good teacher..

Drona teach Karna but refused give him brahmastra thinking about Arjun...that is also NOT a sign of good teacher...  

I love Tyrion, Jaime AND Tywin too. And sorry but I do not think Karna is in any way similar to Tyrion. 

I found similarity between Tyrion and Karna because both had to struggle a lot...they did not get what they deserve... anyway these are my thoughts...and I saw people around me common admirer of Tyrion and Karna who too believe the same... but yes not saying you too have to have to think the same...

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Posted: 16 May 2015 at 5:26am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Urmila11

Originally posted by Brishti_Sarkar

Originally posted by panchaali

Originally posted by Arijit007

which dialogues, my dear panchali?

You could have taught yourself like Eklavya did

[and lose your thumb]LOL

you could gone to your mother and Duryadhan would have forgiven you

[so that people remembers you as Bivishan of Dwapar] LOL
Vibhishan atleast chose right and most important he proudly said that in front of Ravaan that he does not support. Not like Karna who promises the rival's mom that I will not hamr your other sons when that is a huge loss for his "best friend". Considering Karna HAD the ability to defeat all Pandavs (atleast the twins) he cheated Duryodhan by promising Kunti.
He is worse than Vibhishan.

I can't see Vibhishan's insult, I'm a huge Vibhishan fan because he knew how to respect women. He did not even support his elder brother for abducting a woman. How can one compare Vibhishan with a person who assaulted a woman in a public court?

well I am raised hearing the phrase "Grihashatru Vibhishan".   so I hate the character Vibhishan from the core of my heart... he is the example of cowardice...

This phrase is used on people those who do not stand by their own  when they are in danger... 

For Vibhishan the rivals were rivals, yet he supported them

for Karna his rivals were his own brothers, situation was very different for him
yet he vowed to kill Arjun...because of Duryadhan...

his beggar mother said him not to kill any of the pandavs and come with her, when she the find the right advantage...

She asked him  those when Karna never returns any beggar without giving any alms... 

Bristi haven't you read high secondary books how could you talk such non sense..

Karna and VibhishanConfused well I have nothing to say except LOL this is hilarious and too much...

Edited by panchaali - 16 May 2015 at 6:18am
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Posted: 16 May 2015 at 5:58am | IP Logged
Originally posted by The.Lannister

To add to what you said:
Tyrion is a dwarf. He is judged for this supposed "crime" of his by the entire continent. His own father was horrid to him. His sister & father almost got him killed. His brother, the one person he thought loved him turned to have been indirectly instrumental in taking away a woman who loved him & he loved back. His own father ordered the rape of that woman & forcing a 13 year old to participate in rape is rape in itself. 

Karna on the other hand was given up by a woman (he didnt know who). He grew up as a soot putra, where he was very much loved by his parents (Tyrion's mother died while giving birth to him & he was blamed for that as well. Tywin is a horrible father. so horrible that he had to kill him). Karna then befriends the Prince, studies with the other royals from a teacher like Drona. He then gains the friendship of Duri who makes him a King (contrast this with Tyrion lying half dead after the battle of blackwater. His side kick bronn is knighted while he is thrown away to rot in some broom closet. his contributions to winning the war go unrecognised). Karna led a normal marital life & even enjoyed life a great deal with his best buddy Duri. (contrast that with Tyrion losing Tysha, being forced to marry Sansa, being rejected by her, being falsely accused of killing the king, sentenced to death, exile, slavery & god knows what next)

Tyrion & Karna are as different as day & night.

well stories are completely different I only said about similarity in characters..

both were dejected for none of their own faults...

there is bit similarity between Daenerys is Draupadi too...

as well as Lord Baelish and Krishna [both had the knowledge and wit to change the future of  Westroes and Aryavrat] 

but all their stories are completely different of course...

Edited by panchaali - 16 May 2015 at 6:16am

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