Posted: 07 May 2015 at 12:03am | IP Logged
Originally posted by desigal90
Oh yeah, absolutely. I know that. But that first decision was not the illegal one. That is a completely legal decision. You're an adult, you can drink. Society doesn't discourage anyone from making that first decision. No one thinks twice of it.
Adults drink, yet they know some may make some very stupid decisions after. Adults still do it.
But yes, the responsible thing is to designate a driver or someone to take you home before you start. I absolutely agree with that.
However, I wouldn't say that failing to do the responsible thing should result in someone being punished for murder...that's where things become a little hazy in my opinion.
I think that's what I"m trying to say.
That we say you should take responsibility, but does that still take away from the fact that it was still an accident. Yes it resulted in a life lost. But accidents do often result in lost lives. I believe the punishment should reflect that intent. Which is completely a theoretical POV at this point, not practical.
To make in a nutshell, intoxicated drinking seems like irresponsible decision UNINTENTIONALLY causing a loss of life. Not too different than a sober adult driving a car and getting reckless and speeding and causing an accident. Both result from irresponsibility, not intent to kill. Yet I don't think someone who speeds will go to jail for 5 years, right?
To me...it just seems intent matters in such a case. I know the law says otherwise.
I'm just debating philosophically here. In such cases, making the accused who committed the crime pay for the victim's children, throughout until college and changing their circumstances would have seemed like the more beneficial thing to do.
No it's not illegal to drink and there's absolutely nothing wrong with drinking either...BUT there is definitely such a thing as drinking/getting high responsibly and there are many people who do this. It's really not that hard.Like someone said, they've had friends say : I don't think I can get home tonight..plenty of folks do this..or wait a while before driving, or perhaps plan from the beginning only that you're gonna get drunk today so take a taxi or have a friend be DD..there are plenty of ways to be responsible...you don't lose your senses 1 drink in.. It takes a few drinks to get drunk depending on what you're having and your tolerance level. Society doesn't discourage drinking but it certainly doesn't encourage irresponsible drinking.
My point is most people know that drinking can impair judgment...so, when they choose to drink, they should take responsibility for whatever stupid decisions they make afterwards. It's not an uninformed decision they're making, especially as adults (Salman was 36-38!!!!...on top of that he didn't even have a valid license --he wasn't supposed to be driving sober or drunk). The problem is, you can't excuse crimes committed when drunk as just impaired judgement...then everyone would just say oh I wasn't thinking straight, I was high for every crime and get away with it.
Manslaughter is not the same as murder...people drinking and driving, who end up killing someone unintentionally, are charged with vehicular manslaughter. Murder punishment is much worse for a reason because like you said intent most definitely matters. There's different degrees of vehicular manslaughter...there's manslaughter while intoxicated, then gross negligent manslaughter while intoxicated. People do get different sentences based on the crime.
Like other's have already said...compensation cannot be in exchange of punishment.