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Check it out ::

Ek Tha Raja Ek Thi Rani at 9:30 PM on Zee TV.. So Jodha Akbar is Safe..!!.





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Hi all..

Made a post about a novel - The Enchantress of Florence, of 2008, which reaches further back in history. The novel, which the author describes as his most researched, moves with astonishing speed and energy from the court of Emperor Akbar to Renaissance Florence in Europe, journeying through various destinations on the way.

The author pits East against West, explores assimilation and identity, and invites us to think about the power of storytelling and its role in defeating obscurantism and intolerance.

The book also talks about his wife - Jodha, whom the author describes as an ideal consort, with excellent qualities no other woman can possess. The author has tried his best to keep the readers engaged till the end about the "identity" of this lady. Sometimes she is kept in his dreams and sometimes she is a real figure who is loved by Akbar but disliked by his other wives. In the middle he clears that the wife of Akbar was Mariam-Uz-Zamani, who was Hira Kunwari of Amer..


Few Excerpts from the Novel:  

...

No real woman was ever like that, so perfectly attentive, so undemanding. She was an impossibility, a fantasy of perfection. They feared her, knowing that, being impossible, she was irresistible. The king loved her best. They hated her for her theft of their histories. If they could have murdered her they would have done so, but until the emperor died himself, she was immortal. 

...

She was not subservient. Akbar did not like subservient women. She would scold him first. How could he stay away so long? In his absence she had had to combat many plots. All was untrustworthy here. The very walls were filled with whispers. She fought them all and kept the palace safe against the day of his return, defeating the small, self-serving treacheries of the domestic staff, confounding the spying lizards hanging on the walls, stilling the scurry of conspiratorial mice.

Till the end, the author keeps us engaged and we do not know when she is present in dreams and when she comes out as a reality... I found the interview of the author more interesting to read as that was something history.

More excerpts are present in the post itself with an interview of  the author...



Post Direct Link on Blog ::


Excerpts on Jodha Akbar | Enchantress of Florence + Author's Interview

http://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.in/2015/07/excerpts-jodha-akbar-enchantress-of-florence.html


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Excerpts on Jodha Akbar | Enchantress of Florence + Author's Interview


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Posted some interesting information about marriage of Salim and Maan Bai.

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Marriage of Salim and Maan Bai

Post Contains Mughal Rajput accounts of this wedding.

It is interesting to note the huge dowry{it was custom among royals those days} given by Raja Bhagwan Das, and equally amazing to note that Akbar ordered gold to be scattered all the way from Amer to Mughal capital , along the entourage of this princess.!!!

He went to Amer to conduct this wedding...

More is present in the post itself..

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Post : Marriage of Salim with Maan Bai.


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Hi All,

Posted a new article in this series of Chittor .


Title:

Mughal account of Jauhar, Saka & Massacre at Battle of Chittor, 1567-68


Link of this post: Click Here: >>>>

Mughal record of Jauhar of Rajput Women & Saka of Rajput Warriors at 3rd Siege of Chittor(1567-68) + Mughal Victory followed by Massacre of Rajput Civilians | Battle of Chittor Part-5 | With Portraits from Akbarnama & personal pictures of Chittor Fort


We have already gone through 4 articles in the Chittor Battle Series. In the last article, we read about the course of this fierce war that lasted almost six months.  

Now that the detailed background of this war is clear, let's discuss the details of the ultimate battle. The moment of ultimate 'annihilation'. This post also contains MANY pictures of Chittor Fort taken from fine angles, not present on the Internet.


In this post, we are going to see the events following the fall of the commander of the Chittor garrison - Raja Jaimal Rathore and the consequent Jauhar and Saka conducted by the Rajput women and defenders of the Fort of Chittor, as recorded in Mughal accounts. 

The next post will describe this war, as seen from Rajput & other accounts, so that a complete picture is presented to the readers for complete understanding.


     No one ever saw such battles, 

    Nor ever heard of such from the experienced, 

    What shall I say of that battle and engagement, 

    I cannot mention one item out of a hundred thousand


These verses by Abul Fazl describing the final Battle of Chittor captures vividly the intensity of the war and the zeal of the two combating armies to make the other bite dust.


    The two armies raised their lances
    They formed ambuscades, and drew up in line

    They were all iron-fisted, they were all biters of steel,
    All were famous and were clad in iron

    The heroes brandished swords red with blood
    One was yielding up his life, another was flying,

    They mowed down with swords the elephant-trunks
    You'd say serpents were being rained down from the clouds.

    The Commander on a mighty, raging elephant
    Continually assailed the bow string.

    One paid off his debt of hate with lance and sword
    Sometimes the heart was riven, sometimes the breast was consumed.
 

    Tulips were painted by his dagger
    There was a rain of rings from the heroes' armour.


Just reading the accounts of the war, even from one side only, makes our hearts beat faster and sends shivers of horror down our spine. The ferocity of the war in which man and beast alike were willing to kill and be killed for their cause, can only be imagined faintly.


300 armoured trained Mughal War Elephants were let loose in the Fort in addition to the 60,000+ Mughal army fighting the force of 8000 Rajputs.


The post recounts how Rajput warriors like Isar Das Chauhan and others singly fought these trained armoured war elephants and died fighting.


The heroic exploits of Patta, Kalla, Jaimal are recorded in these Mughal accounts. The Rajputs were glorious even in the defeat.


Akbar recalls an incident where a chivalrous Rajput asked him to fight, and Akbar , though managed to kill this soldier, was amazed at the fighting spirit of this person, and tried his best to know who this brave man was.


The Rajputnis were not behind. The post recalls the horrors which the Rajputnis endeared in this war. Some of them died fighting the Mughal forces, some preferred Jauhar. Not giving those details here. They are present in the post.


"The Rajput garrison was in sore distress, and ready to succumb, but no one proposed surrender to the Emperor.


The Emperor had determined that he would capture by storm this Chittor - the strongest fortress of Hindustan, so that in future no other fortress should DARE to resist our Imperial army."


A unprecendented carnage ordered by Akbar after winning the battle..


From A to Z, every lesser known details from 5 Mughal accounts has been presented here...This time i have gone beyond Abu'l Fazl, Badayuni and Nizam-ud-din's accounts..


We, who live in modern times, can hardly understand the emotions that must have run high in both the Mughals and the Rajputs during the course of the battle. 


Just what changed the course of the war in favour of the Mughals after months of a bitter and hostile face-off between the two equally poised sides? 

All has been explained in the post..Link of this post:

Click Here: >>

Mughal record of Jauhar of Rajput Women & Saka of Rajput Warriors at 3rd Siege of Chittor(1567-68) + Mughal Victory followed by Massacre of Rajput Civilians | Battle of Chittor Part-5 | With Portraits from Akbarnama & personal pictures of Chittor Fort


Other Posts in this Series

1. Why did Akbar attack Chittor ? | Part-1

2. Preparation of Rajputs - Battle of Chittor | Part-2

3. Battles BEFORE the Battle of Chittor - At Kumbhalgarh, Rampur, Udaipur, Mandalgarh | Part-3

4. ACTUAL STRUGGLE between Mughal & Rajput Forces - Course of War BEFORE the Jauhar and Saka | Battle of Chittor Part-4 | With explained Portraits from Akbarnama


History of Jaimal and Patta | HEROes of the 3rd Siege of Chittor


JA Forum Thread::

Mughal account of Jauhar & Saka at Battle of Chittor 1567-68


MP Forum Thread::

Mughal account of Jauhar, Saka & Massacre at Battle of Chittor


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Posted: 14 July 2015 at 10:35am | IP Logged
Dear all ,
Please watch fascinating stories of Mughal history from tommrrow on discovery channel .I couldn't confirm the timing as the ad for some milliseconds.
ok just confirmed the first episode is on 27th July at 9 PM.It will talk about humayun's tomb and some secrets about it.


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Hi all..

Just posted some information about Madho Singh - younger brother of Raja Man Singh. This is a short post and very concise, but will be interesting , i am sure.

This post includes some lesser known events related to Madho Singh and Akbar. He was a staunch loyalist of Akbar and fought many battles along with him, by his side. Akbar called him Madho.!

We all know Akbar called Man Singh as his Farzand, which means Son.
Madho Singh was on similar lines.

Here is the Link : Madho Singh & Akbar

JA CVs have , on the other hand, introduced him as villain.!

JA Forum Thread Link : Madho Singh | Staunch Loyalist of Akbar

BTW, JA is ending in august next month. It is confirmed..!!.

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Hey My dearest friends. How are you all. I will be more active after Aug 5th..

Abhay, I need to catch up on all your recent posts.

This week I am in delhi. yesterday I visited Taz, Sikandra (Akbar and MUZ tomb) and AGra Fort etc. SInce I had mentioned to my travel agent early itself that I am very much interested in Knowing about Mughal History, he had provided us with a Knowledgeable Guide. The one we had yesterday was very much interested in medieval history. It was fun

Had a very nostalgic feeling when visiting Akbar and MUZ tomb. Guide was telling me that earlier MUZ tomb was abandoned and they never used to collect entrance fees. But yesterday we Paid and it seems very recently they have started this. Was happy to hear this. MUZ Tomb is well maintained. In AKbar tomb, People sit and recite QUran and they have Agarbatis lighted.

In Agra Fort, guide was telling me that Akbar demolished his Palace there and built a MUZ Palace where they used to   stay. She had a Kitchen of her own with a temple and all. I loved Agra Fort.

Today going to Sikri, Ittmaduallah Tomb and then off to Jaipur


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Hi All,

We have gone through 5 articles in the Chittor Battle Series. In the last article, we read the detailed description of this war, including the Jauhar of the Rajput women, the Saka of the Rajput warriors and the massacre of civilians in the Fort of Chittor, as mentioned in the Mughal records. The spine-chilling Mughal account of this war showed the tenacious ferocity with which both man and beast engaged in a do-or-die battle for the pride of Rajputana - the Fort of Chittor.

Link of Present Post :
DETAILED Rajput Record of Jauhar, Saka & Massacre of Rajputs at 3rd Siege of Chittor(1567-68) | Description of Rajput Warriors & OLD pictures of Chittor Fort | Battle of Chittor Part-6

Now,  let's view the ultimate battle of Chittor from the perspective of contemporary Rajput records & some other chronicles. Numerous pictures and portraits of the Chittor Fort from the 17th, 18th & 19th centuries have also been included to show the majesty of the fort as well as the the magnetic attraction the fort has held for the historic chronicler or even the curious traveler.

This post, based on numerous Rajput sources as it is, presents the names of many known and unknown Rajput warriors from the illustrious houses of the 16 superior vassals of Mewar and others who supported Mewar against the Mughals in this war.

At the end of this post, their lineage & present-day whereabouts have been included for those discerning readers who wish to know more about these warriors.

The post also pays homage to those brave and noble women who believed that their honor as well as the honor of Mewar was more precious than their life. These proud women either chose to die defending their motherland on the battlefield or to perish in the fire of Jauhar rather than being captured & facing dishonor (and worse) at the hands of the invading army.

Note:
The details/pictures in this post are extremely gruesome and should be read only by those who can stomach the savagery unleashed in Chittor by the victorious Mughal army. This post does not intend to shock but only report the aftermath of the Mughal victory.

Mewar is a name synonymous with bravery, honor and pride. Rajputs as a race have been  associated with pride and courage, but those of Chittorgarh seem to have an "extra dose" of it. Chivalry and undaunted heroism ran in their blood. There could hardly be any other royal house whose past had been stained with so much bloodshed for over a 1000 years (starting from Bappa Rawal - 734 AD or Guhilot - 568 AD) ; and who faced wave after wave of invading hordes, yet refused to bow their heads in the service of any other mortal. The Rajputs of this house are known for their strong & fierce love of independence.

Mewar was the only major Rajput kingdom, which refused to surrender to Mughal Emperor Akbar, who was one of the mightiest emperors in the world then. Even after the Mughal Army conquered it,  the people of this region fought back valorously to regain their kingdom, with the major exception of Chittorgarh, from Akbar. But let us reserve that story for another day.

At present, let us see how these Rajputs fought bitterly to the last man standing, to defend their fort from Mughal invasion and how, when defeat became inevitable, sacrificed their lives rather than bend in humiliating servility before their bete noire.


Highlights of Post:

1. Raja Jaimal Rathore and Rawat Patta Chundawat - The Commanders of the Fort of Chittor during the 3rd Siege.

2. Rawat Chundawat fell in the Battle of Chittor. This gate is the eastern entrance of the Fort and also known as Toran Pol.

3. Spot marking the place where Rawat Patta Chundavat fell finally in the Battle of Chittor

4. The Warrior Ladies of Chittor.

5. Jaimal and Kalla - Heroic Chaturbhuj Fight

6. The Chattri of Kalla Ji Rathore - The Place of His Death

7. The Chattri of Raja Jaimal Rathore - The Place of His Death

8. "Tija Sakha Chittod Ra"

9. About 1700 relatives of Kunwar Pratap died in this war.

10. Akbar devastated the fortress and its people so much that the subsequent history of Mewar was a constant struggle for existence.

11. "Chittod Marya ra Paap"

12. The sacred threads from necks of dead Rajputs were taken to Agra in sacks to proclaim that the Rajput supremacy over Mewar has finally been broken.

13. It is said that the devil and the angel both live within the heart of Man. It is up to the mind to determine which of these two powers gains ascendance on any occasion. The devil seems to have clearly won the day in the case of Mughal Emperor Akbar.

14. Akbar had left no stone unturned to devastate the resources of Rana. The cream of several houses of the vassals of Mewar died defending Chittor. But this was only a beginning of a new never ending struggle between Akbar and his arch rival Maharana Pratap..

15. Very LONG Detailed Background of Rajput Chieftains / Warriors

16. I can not write details here. Quite Grim.!


Other Posts in this Series

1. Why did Akbar attack Chittor ? | Part-1

2. Preparation of Rajputs - Battle of Chittor | Part-2

3. Battles BEFORE the Battle of Chittor - At Kumbhalgarh, Rampur, Udaipur, Mandalgarh | Part-3

4. ACTUAL STRUGGLE between Mughal & Rajput Forces - Course of War BEFORE the Jauhar and Saka | Battle of Chittor Part-4 | With explained Portraits from Akbarnama

5. Mughal record of Jauhar of Rajput Women & Saka of Rajput Warriors at 3rd Siege of Chittor(1567-68) + Mughal Victory followed by Massacre of Rajput Civilians | Battle of Chittor Part-5 | With Portraits from Akbarnama & personal pictures of Chittor Fort

History of Jaimal and Patta | HEROes of the 3rd Siege of Chittor



In the Next Post:
The next post, which will be the concluding part of this Chittor Battle Series, will contain the details of the victory farman of Mughal Emperor Akbar, issued by him after winning this war. It will also contain the comparison of resources - weapons, soldiers, etc. on both the combating sides.


Blog Post Link of Present Post :
DETAILED Rajput Record of Jauhar, Saka & Massacre of Rajputs at 3rd Siege of Chittor(1567-68) | Description of Rajput Warriors & OLD pictures of Chittor Fort | Battle of Chittor Part-6


Link of JA Forum Sticky...
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3900469&PID=125029930&#p125029930

I also made a thread in MP Forum as of now..
DETAILED Rajput Acc of Jauhar n Saka @ Chittor wid LESS known DETAILS

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