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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 12:57am | IP Logged
Originally posted by moonstonespirit

Awesome post Twinkle!!! Love it...
c/p from another thread:

His guilt, his torment on seeing her bruised hands, her emotionless eyes, for not protectiing her was so palpable. 

Loved Manik and Cabir's conversation. Though Manik and Dhruv's 'friendship' was glorified earlier in the show, it is Manik's friendship with Cabir that stood out in the end. Cabir has seen their relationship evolve and understands the depth of it, while Dhruv labels the whole thing as some small road bump that can be overcome without much ado.

Chacha's words of support and Chachi's care and concern and Nandini's hesitance to open up was beautifully shown. Chachi- Manik convo was love. She could see his worry, his need to be with Nandini and so she let him go to her. Over the time Chachi has come to love Manik as her own too.

The Haldi ka doodh scene was so adorable. If he thinks she lost her smile because him, he needs to realize that he is the only one who can bring it back too. His earlier pain masked behind a smile, he drank the milk twice, just for her. She couldn't help but smile at his sweet gesture.
Hey babe...thanks for the praises and more than that, thankyou for sharing your own thoughts <3 Love it when people drop in some points for me to read because it allows me to perceive the episode with an enlightened angle :)
Loved your points that I've highlighted in red. It truly is so lovely to see Cabir and Manik's relationship to have evolved so wonderfully...and that hug brought tears in my eyes. Cabir's life has never been easy either...his wounds aren't healed yet fully because he's never had that someone to caress them well. And so the support he provided to Manik today was such a heartfelt scene because he himself didn't really have anyone do that for him so he knows how painful the aches can be.
 
We've always seen chachi have a soft corner for Manik because he reminds her of her SRK LOL but today she's wholeheartedly accepted him as part of her family. I think her trust in Manik will be proven to be a very important element when the show re-visits the track between MaNan and Ams' disapproval of Manik.
 
The last scene left me feeling all sorts of emotions because I had just finished crying and then here I was replaying their smiling faces in the mirror...if it was in Manik's hands, he would drink endless glasses of that milk and enact the scene of throwing up millions of time just so her smile never fades away.
 
Once again loved reading your words <3


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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 2:45am | IP Logged
Sometimes words are not enough to express the heights of emotions we feel while watching them.. their love, their bond, their purity, their surrender gets stronger day after day..
You do such a beautiful job when you write about Manan.. both of them.. you understand their soul.. and for that winkh I offer and surrender all my love, my appreciation, my proud feeling of getting a chance to know you in front of you.. all I can say is always be the way you are.. the pure soul you are.. which always reflects in your thoughts.. I love you..
I don't have words to say how magical, enchanting, soothing and heavenly is the feeling that I get after watching Manan and then reading them written by you..
Sorry for my absence.. there are times when it's tough to comprehend the direction and flow of your life... Manan and of course you through your exceptionally beautiful thoughts keep me afloat... a heart felt thank you for that my winkh..

I've missed you..
Love HAMESHA
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 3:42am | IP Logged
BMin, again MTV has not posted episode Angry By the time i get to watch the episode people have finished posting about next day episode too. Nobody around to gush about the episode without talking about next episode.Grr Mtv

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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 4:11am | IP Logged
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BMin, again MTV has not posted episode Angry By the time i get to watch the episode people have finished posting about next day episode too. Nobody around to gush about the episode without talking about next episode.Grr Mtv
Pshhht...never fear because the weekend is here! LOL We have a three-day weekend ahead of us again and I'll have more time on my hands myself so gotta reply to Reya's and Preesha's posts too...that will give us a chance over your missed epiosdes too dw! Wink
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 6:07am | IP Logged
Originally posted by twinkle10

Day 52! - "For You..."

His love is for you Nandini...His promises are for you. His heart beats only for you Nandini and his life breathes only for you.

Manik is just a name...his life's true meaning is you. We've seen him live for you...soon it will be revealed that he can kill for you...but if life ever asked him to pay a price for hurting you, never will he hesitate to prove that he can even die...for you...

 

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Gosh...they're just getting better day by day and I'm scared one day I will have nothing left to say about them! 

Apologies again in advance to the beautiful responses I may not be able to reply to... 

 


I am sure Twinkle, u must have had enough of praises and must be so bored hearing the same thing again and again, like an OLD gramophone recorder. But U know, right- OLD is GOLD and hence our praises for you are all Golden!! Dont be humble and please accept them. U are truly worthy of all the ClapClap!!
I have read and re-read ur post and just can't stop thinking about MaNan. Ur post made it all the more difficult. 

As I was doing other routine things, my mind was lingering on your post, especially the last bit, which I quoted and high-lighted on the top and my mind drifted back to the old episodes. 

It just so amazing and beautiful to see MaNan's relationship evolving, like a beautiful flower blossoming. 

I am contrasting Manik from Soha's track Vs Pandit's track. What is the starking difference? 

He knew that he loved Nandini or maybe the actual realisation hit him seeing Nandini unconscious surrounded by fire and by the delusional Soha pushing him to confess his own feelings to himself. As Cabir pointed out that night to the rest of the Fab 5, Manik did not yet accept that feeling to be LOVE. He knew she was special, he wanted to be with her all the time, needed her smiles and needed to protect her- but what was that feeling?? He did not know or did not actually think about it.
Yes, there was certainly love between them and that love at that time was still in a bud stage, with a lot of physical attraction preceding it. 
So, was Manik at that time, unaware of the intensity of his own feelings and the extent of love he had for Nandini and hence the huge MU/ Ego track of Nandini not trusting Manik. 

Coming to the Manik- we have now, he KNOWS how much he is in love with Nandini, that he cannot live w/o her and cannot even breathe w/o her. He now openly declares he can even kill for her. It is the same Manik, who earlier said- he could die for her, but not kill for her is NOW stating the exactly that- he can kill for her!! 

Am trying to conceive the difference between then and now. What was it that pushed Manik away from Nandini at that time? Wouldn't he really have killed anyone, at that time, if needed. We r all sure, he would have. So, why the acceptance now and the denial then??

Is it because the relationship has now turned into a beautiful flower, or rather beautiful flower bearing plant, than just being a bud? It has so well seasoned and is in full-bloom? Is it the hardships and separation they have been through, that matured their relationship and Manik's once upon a time, subconscious thoughts have become conscious now??? Would he still be as upset as before if Nandini doubts him to be able to kill someone??

Did I make any sense?? I dont really know what I was rambling about. I had all these various thoughts running in my mind and wanted to be able to express them coherently, basically analyse them, but failed miserably. Hope some of the geniuses here, might be able to help. 

Sorry for spamming your thread, Twinkle Embarrassed. But for a sensible, reasonable interpretation, where else can I go, other than to come here??

(P.S: Not proof-reading it, apologies in advance for grammatical errors and typos)


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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 7:18am | IP Logged
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Originally posted by twinkle10

Day 52! - "For You..."

His love is for you Nandini...His promises are for you. His heart beats only for you Nandini and his life breathes only for you.

Manik is just a name...his life's true meaning is you. We've seen him live for you...soon it will be revealed that he can kill for you...but if life ever asked him to pay a price for hurting you, never will he hesitate to prove that he can even die...for you...

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gosh...they're just getting better day by day and I'm scared one day I will have nothing left to say about them! 

Apologies again in advance to the beautiful responses I may not be able to reply to... 

 


I am sure Twinkle, u must have had enough of praises and must be so bored hearing the same thing again and again, like an OLD gramophone recorder. But U know, right- OLD is GOLD and hence our praises for you are all Golden!! Dont be humble and please accept them. U are truly worthy of all the ClapClap!!
I have read and re-read ur post and just can't stop thinking about MaNan. Ur post made it all the more difficult. 

As I was doing other routine things, my mind was lingering on your post, especially the last bit, which I quoted and high-lighted on the top and my mind drifted back to the old episodes. 

It just so amazing and beautiful to see MaNan's relationship evolving, like a beautiful flower blossoming. 

I am contrasting Manik from Soha's track Vs Pandit's track. What is the starking difference? 

He knew that he loved Nandini or maybe the actual realisation hit him seeing Nandini unconscious surrounded by fire and by the delusional Soha pushing him to confess his own feelings to himself. As Cabir pointed out that night to the rest of the Fab 5, Manik did not yet accept that feeling to be LOVE. He knew she was special, he wanted to be with her all the time, needed her smiles and needed to protect her- but what was that feeling?? He did not know or did not actually think about it.
Yes, there was certainly love between them and that love at that time was still in a bud stage, with a lot of physical attraction preceding it. 
So, was Manik at that time, unaware of the intensity of his own feelings and the extent of love he had for Nandini and hence the huge MU/ Ego track of Nandini not trusting Manik. 

Coming to the Manik- we have now, he KNOWS how much he is in love with Nandini, that he cannot live w/o her and cannot even breathe w/o her. He now openly declares he can even kill for her. It is the same Manik, who earlier said- he could die for her, but not kill for her is NOW stating the exactly that- he can kill for her!! 

Am trying to conceive the difference between then and now. What was it that pushed Manik away from Nandini at that time? Wouldn't he really have killed anyone, at that time, if needed. We r all sure, he would have. So, why the acceptance now and the denial then??

Is it because the relationship has now turned into a beautiful flower, or rather beautiful flower bearing plant, than just being a bud? It has so well seasoned and is in full-bloom? Is it the hardships and separation they have been through, that matured their relationship and Manik's once upon a time, subconscious thoughts have become conscious now??? Would he still be as upset as before if Nandini doubts him to be able to kill someone??

Did I make any sense?? I dont really know what I was rambling about. I had all these various thoughts running in my mind and wanted to be able to express them coherently, basically analyse them, but failed miserably. Hope some of the geniuses here, might be able to help. 

Sorry for spamming your thread, Twinkle Embarrassed. But for a sensible, reasonable interpretation, where else can I go, other than to come here??

(P.S: Not proof-reading it, apologies in advance for grammatical errors and typos)


Lavy...this post literally had me jumping out of my seat and I was like...omg...I need to rant my thoughts before I carried away tonight posting a response for the next episode. I'll let Reya and Preesha know of this post too because we've spent quite some time talking about these things on my oolder threads when I used to talk about the "heart vs mind" notion. Hopefully you know about that and I'm not leaving you totally blank here. Please let me know if you didn't know what I was talking about and I'll try and explaining it again lol
 
So some very interesting points you've raised...I want to start off with what you mentioned that Manik knows how much he knows Nandini...for me that's a half-truth. Yes he knows that she's his hamesha waala love...that she's the true love of his life...but Manik's love for Nandini is so deep that even he isn't aware of the depth of his own emotions. See I can't help but refer back to that night when Manik was recording that video message to send to Ridhima...he didn't have words to express what Nandini meant to him. That's his love. Undefinable. Inexpressible. Its depth is unknown. Manik for me is just a shadow of Nandini. A shadow that refuses to leave her side even during the darkest of nights.
 
Now coming to the idea that did he know whether it was love during Soha's track...and if he did then what was that one thing which triggered him to express that love to her. I like to think about this as a "want" vs "need" notion. See when we're on the verge of losing someone, we realise their true importance... we realise of their needful need.
For Manik...love defined trust...just like love is trust for Nandini too.Manik's trust was hurt on the day at the magistrate's office...but we mustn't forget that Nandini's trust was wounded too during that sacrifice track. But they never stopped trusting each other for a single second. The trust was wounded yes, but it never shattered.
Now when Nandini saw Manik slipping away from her and she feared that Soha may take him away...she was not hesitant at all to run back to him on the night of NYE. SImilarly on the day when Manik saw Nandini walking out not just the college because of her expulsion letter but also his life...he made that announcement in front of the college in the hope that she will stand against him and stand up for her right or even that someone else would stand up to fight for her stay in the college. His love...his love was there otherwise he would have stopped trusting her...but I can never forget that scene when the next morning after valentines day, he tells Nyonika that "Nandini jhoot nahi bol rahi"...he tells Nyonika that she won only because he let her win.
So then the question was raised why was he being so egoistic...why was he expressing his so called "hatred"? But isn't it true that we only express our anger with the ones we love the most? Wasn't his furstration justified.
I actually replied to another post on this thread who said how ironic it is that the manik who once said he could never kill anyone, is so loudly claiming how he should have killed pandit yesterday. Manik could and would've killed at that time too if the need had been...we all know that. But the circumstances were different at that time. See it's human tendency to take offense when someone blames you for something you weren't even thinking of doing. We shatter when our loved ones accuse of us doing something that we didn't do. That was Manik's state of mind at that time. Killing soha was never part of his mindset...his plan was only to save Nandini. So when Nandini's words fumbled at the magistrate's office...he was wounded and he shattered. But today the situation is different. His intentions weren't only to save Nandini...his intentions were also to punish pandit. Today if Nandini says to Manik that Manik you nearly killed pandit...he would scream and yell and tell the whole world that "Yes, I should've killed pandit"...and have you realised...that whilst he has muttered the word kill so may times now in the last few days...his realisation that he can kill is still incomplete yet. His love has driven him to such an extent that he sees nothing beyone Nandini's tears, her shocked state, her scarred soul. He is still yet to discover how much his "very very much" is! The day he realises he can kill for Nandini...the day he makes sense of the words he's talking...that may be the day when he comes one step closer to realising jiust how deep his love is for Nandini. But still...he will never be able to define his love for Nandini...she's not just a girl for him...she's ...I don't know how to put it but I think the best way to put it is that she is that breath who can determine whether Manik will be living or dead in the next breath. She is the only reason he lives today...he can kill for her, yes. But if something ever happened to Nandini...no life would remain in him either.
 
I have no idea if all this made sense but it was about MaNan so I just couldn't stop myself from letting my thoughts loose lol
 
And thankyou...thankyou once again for leaving me utterly speechless with your beautiful words of praises. The thankyou will never be enough but till I can't find another word, I guess I'll just have to use that word. aha
 
Love
Twinkle <3


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Lavy...this post literally had me jumping out of my seat and I was like...omg...I need to rant my thoughts before I carried away tonight posting a response for the next episode. I'll let Reya and Preesha know of this post too because we've spent quite some time talking about these things on my oolder threads when I used to talk about the "heart vs mind" notion. Hopefully you know about that and I'm not leaving you totally blank here. Please let me know if you didn't know what I was talking about and I'll try and explaining it again lol
Twinkle Twinkle, Our Shining Star... !! 
Now coming to the post, thanks for the prompt reply. Didnt expect it so soon and so in detail. I shall be honest, I haven't yet had a chance of going thro' that thread of urs. I should some day. It will be interesting, because, as I was watching the episodes (which I only started mid- March), these thoughts wouldn't leave me. Manik's "Heart Vs Mind"- not just from the Valentine's day, " I hate you " track but even before the 'so-called' hatred following the punch. 
In my opinion, I dont think, Manik ever hated Nandini, even after the punch. After the punch, remember, he tells Dhruv- that something " BOOM" went in his heart. And he never felt like that before. 
She intrigued him, by her courage, honesty, simplicity and her caring attitude (he calls her " Mother Teresa"). 
There was that "FATAL ATTRACTION" kinda thing between them, which like a magnetic force made Manik look out for her, in the name of "spot". Remember the Friendship day party, he simply couldn't let go of her. He was following her everywhere. It was more of an EGO thing for him, but not hatred (in my PoV)
Then set in sympathy and also empathy for her- seeing Rishabh's similar convulsions to Dhruv. He started to soften more openly. Then of course, the store-room scene, where the physical attraction became more evident, followed by the Jungle Mein Mangal Drama, when he chose her over the guitar. 
Manik has been confused about his feelings for Nandini right from the start- so his Heart Vs Mind have always been in a tug of war. 


So some very interesting points you've raised...I want to start off with what you mentioned that Manik knows how much he knows Nandini...for me that's a half-truth. Yes he knows that she's his hamesha waala love...that she's the true love of his life...but Manik's love for Nandini is so deep that even he isn't aware of the depth of his own emotions. See I can't help but refer back to that night when Manik was recording that video message to send to Ridhima...he didn't have words to express what Nandini meant to him. That's his love. Undefinable. Inexpressible. Its depth is unknown. Manik for me is just a shadow of Nandini. A shadow that refuses to leave her side even during the darkest of nights.
So rightly said, Twinkle. Yes, Manik is that shadow of Nandini, come what may, will not leave her. And yes, Manik probably does not know the depth of his emotions, as this probably is the first time he ever felt that way- so badly wanting/ needing someone and wanting to be needed the same way, by that person. 
 
Now coming to the idea that did he know whether it was love during Soha's track...and if he did then what was that one thing which triggered him to express that love to her. I like to think about this as a "want" vs "need" notion. See when we're on the verge of losing someone, we realise their true importance... we realise of their needful need.
For Manik...love defined trust...just like love is trust for Nandini too.Manik's trust was hurt on the day at the magistrate's office...but we mustn't forget that Nandini's trust was wounded too during that sacrifice track. But they never stopped trusting each other for a single second. The trust was wounded yes, but it never shattered.
Now when Nandini saw Manik slipping away from her and she feared that Soha may take him away...she was not hesitant at all to run back to him on the night of NYE. SImilarly on the day when Manik saw Nandini walking out not just the college because of her expulsion letter but also his life...he made that announcement in front of the college in the hope that she will stand against him and stand up for her right or even that someone else would stand up to fight for her stay in the college
Woww, Twinkle. This thought did not cross my mind. I have wondered a lot, watching that episode and even later when replaying it- as to the rationale behind the announcement. See, that is why I like U. U have the great capacity to read and understand MaNan like no one else does. 
He probably was expecting something similar happening, like in the past- like a poll by other students to keep her back, or she standing up for herself or someone campaigning for her, like she did for Navya. Now, it makes sense. 

His love...his love was there otherwise he would have stopped trusting her...but I can never forget that scene when the next morning after valentines day, he tells Nyonika that "Nandini jhoot nahi bol rahi"...he tells Nyonika that she won only because he let her win.
That struck a chord with me too. It showed us that he still trusts her but its his ego and hurt stopping him. 

So then the question was raised why was he being so egoistic...why was he expressing his so called "hatred"? But isn't it true that we only express our anger with the ones we love the most? Wasn't his furstration justified.
Hmmm.. maybe this is where, my thoughts might slightly differ from you. Leaving aside the justification part, I would like to talk more about his ego. I dont think it was his anger, that led him away from Nandini. I think it was his immediate hurt, that led to his ego of Nandini failing him and not trusting him, which in turn moved to anger. It is quite complicated. So, the question now is: given the same situation, 2-3 months down the line, since Soha track, would he still react the same way??? 
If he wouldn't, then isn't it because of the growth of their relationship to such an extent that ego has no place anywhere between them??? 
I think this discussion will continue with the next para. 

I actually replied to another post on this thread who said how ironic it is that the manik who once said he could never kill anyone, is so loudly claiming how he should have killed pandit yesterday. Manik could and would've killed at that time too if the need had been...we all know that. But the circumstances were different at that time. See it's human tendency to take offense when someone blames you for something you weren't even thinking of doing. We shatter when our loved ones accuse of us doing something that we didn't do. That was Manik's state of mind at that time. Killing soha was never part of his mindset...his plan was only to save Nandini. So when Nandini's words fumbled at the magistrate's office...he was wounded and he shattered. But today the situation is different. His intentions weren't only to save Nandini...his intentions were also to punish pandit. Today if Nandini says to Manik that Manik you nearly killed pandit...he would scream and yell and tell the whole world that "Yes, I should've killed pandit"...and have you realised...that whilst he has muttered the word kill so may times now in the last few days...his realisation that he can kill is still incomplete yet. His love has driven him to such an extent that he sees nothing beyone Nandini's tears, her shocked state, her scarred soul. He is still yet to discover how much his "very very much" is! The day he realises he can kill for Nandini...the day he makes sense of the words he's talking...that may be the day when he comes one step closer to realising jiust how deep his love is for Nandini. But still...he will never be able to define his love for Nandini...she's not just a girl for him...she's ...I don't know how to put it but I think the best way to put it is that she is that breath who can determine whether Manik will be living or dead in the next breath. She is the only reason he lives today...he can kill for her, yes. But if something ever happened to Nandini...no life would remain in him either.
Yes- natural human tendency, to take offence when blamed for no reason. I understand, that was Manik's state of mind then, as agreed- his only intention was to protect Nandini. Today, as you stated, it was being a protector as well as the punisher of the evil. 
So, why do the intentions appear different from then to now, when his love has always been true and pure??  I think its because in Soha's case- he did not realise the true nature of Soha till the last minute and he thought he had it under control. But yes, he still wanted to make sure his Nandini is safe, hence the extra precaution of having her before his eyes. Another thing that strikes me is: Nandini did not trust Soha and hence that makes things easier. 
Coming to the Pandit, Manik, right from day 1, developed a dislike/hatred for Pandit. Call it an intuition, the natural protective instinct he has for Nandini. To worsen his fear, Nandini completely trusted Pandit and not pay heed to Manik's warnings. Though, she started to doubt occasionally, she did not share those incidents with Manik. Hence Manik considered Pandit as a DANGEROUS PREDATOR. And Manik and Pandit have always been at logger heads. Not only that, its NOT Nandini's life that Pandit was after- he was going to violate her. Manik has been preparing himself to attack/ punish/ expose Pandit, not just that day, but for quite sometime. 
So, in my opinion- its NOT just the TIME factor that was so different from Soha Vs Pandit. Its Nandini's state of mind as well. Fortunately she was unconscious in Soha's track, some physical injuries but nothing major. Here, we have a completely broken Nandini, gone into shock and psychologically and emotionally scarred. That another trigger for Manik's out bursts as well. 
Yes, I dont think he realises what he has been verbalising about killing someone. 
And again- u r so absolutely spot on, he really doesn't know, how "VERY VERY MUCH" he loves Nandini.
 
I have no idea if all this made sense but it was about MaNan so I just couldn't stop myself from letting my thoughts loose lol
Ok.. wait a minute, now, did I make any sense. Rambled on and on. What is the purpose of this discussion? I forgot. 
On the same note as you- its about MaNan and am discussing with who- but, our dear Twinkle. Hence I couldn't stop either. 
 
And thankyou...thankyou once again for leaving me utterly speechless with your beautiful words of praises. The thankyou will never be enough but till I can't find another word, I guess I'll just have to use that word. aha
Thank You too.. for always taking the time and replying back. 
 
Love
Twinkle <3


High-lighted and written in Blue, Twinkle.

(P.S: Waiting for the episode to come online. Guess, its just come on!! U take care.. and shall look for your new post, with today's episode tomorrow. Good nite Hug and sweet MaNan dreams!!)

This is about the episode on Thursday (7th May)... OMG.. how much more do they plan to kill us??? MaNan and Niti/ Parth... no words, literally no words. That song and Manik's TLC, so serene...!! It gave so much of peace to the heart. How can someone be so Perfect?? Just love those 2. Never have I fallen so much in love with fictional characters. Yes, liked a few, but not as much as these 2 babies!!! 

Twinkle, can't wait for your post and am sure, it will be another one, way out of the world!! MaNan's scenes were pure beauty and U will do complete justice to them with your fine words!


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