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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 12:18am | IP Logged
Originally posted by RadhikaS0

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Hi Abhay


plz don't feel so disheartened. This is a show and some drama is necessary to stretch tracks. :) I agree i was also expecting more from Jalal but later, I realised both JJ were being natural. That is how we would react too in their place.


Charu and Devki put my thoughts into beautiful words in yesterday's thread. Thanks ladies :)

I know the CVs have messed up the characters of JJ and HB. But given these reel characters, we have to think of the situation from a neutral perspective and not as JJ fans or PS-RT fans or anti HB viewers. 




Jodha

She resisted the pressure for a really long time. But I can tell you that it's really difficult to be practical and think rationally when a mother figure is dying. And everyone blames you so much for it that you start believing you are responsible for her slipping into death. 

I won't say Jodha is a doormat or a crying machine in this track. Yes, the tears have been incessant. But she has been strong, introspective and has finally taken the plunge (to conversion) as a last resort, when it seems time is running out for her mother-in-law.

She is not happy about it. Apart from the sadness of having to give up on her Kanha, she is well aware that she is going against Jalal as both a husband and as the emperor and that he will be majorly disillusioned with her decision. She is aware that Jalal had forewarned her about pressure being brought upon her and how she must remain strong and stick to their decision, not to convert. She knows he has gone to war to fight for the right of his people to follow a faith of their choice. 


Yes, she is aware of all this. And yes, we all want to see her as a strong, emancipated woman. The trouble with being a strong person is that no one cares to ask how you are doing. People just assume you can do anything and be none the worse for it. 

It is easy to wonder why Jodha cannot be "strong" and "stick to her decision not to convert". But just think of the tremendous psychological, mental and emotional blackmail and pressure brought upon her by the inmates of the palace. For all intents and purposes, she is all alone, save for an inconsequential support like Moti. 



If the MM dies because Jodha didn't convert? 

Then what?

What a furore that would create in the empire! It's not only a question of saving 1 life but also the question of saving an important life - that of the queen mother. Jalal himself may then be upset with her because he had entrusted his mother to her before going to war.



Why didn't Jodha talk to Jalal about Hamida's tantrums and her decision to convert?

Naturally, she cannot upset Jalal with domestic squabbles when he is at war and needs to focus there completely. (She had even kept her pregnancy hidden from him when he was going to war. She had tried to hide her illness when he was about to go to war.) 

She knows that he will never agree to her conversion but, as she sees it, that is the only solution to save Hamida's life. 

Men and women differ in how they think. And people's reactions too differ to the decisions of men and women. It is known that in India, if the son takes a "wrong" decision, families can overlook it but will blame his wife for supporting him, saying that the guy may not have known/understood the consequences, but she, being a woman and responsible for the welfare of the family, should have "known better."


Here too, no one blames Jalal as such for either the war or for supporting right to faith, but are quick to condemn Jodha for the same causes. What a dichotomy!



The tragedy of being Jodha is that all these months, she suffered alone, putting up with social ostracization, isolation and unimaginable amount of ghrina and blame for simply supporting Jalal's decisions. It was ironic to see yesterday how all these women, who were ostensibly against war and Jalal's decisions,   were fawning over him and feeling proud of his victory in the war.

Which leads me to believe that Hamida actually thought that Jalal would lose the war against the more powerful (in her opinion) Shah-i-Iran. She may have got hyper thinking Jalal was going for a war that he would surely lose and she wanted to avoid this "loss of face" by compromising on ethics and sovereignty. 


It is easy to say "be strong" to someone else because we are not carrying the cross that they are. Sometimes, it is worthwhile remembering that a person who is having to take a decision then and there, using their limited perspective, is doing the best she can under the circumstances. 

In my view, Jodha is being as strong as she can in her position because she has taken the tough decision to save the MM over standing by her vow to her husband. Because in our Indian society, then or now, the mother is held over and above husband and children too, leave alone the kingdom. 


The irony is that just a moment turned the tide against Jodha. If only she had waited half a day more, Jalal would have returned and all would have been well. Well, almost - because I don't think in that case, Hamida would have ever stopped being hostile to her for not having listened to her order for conversion. 

Now Jodha is at a cross-roads. Her husband feels terribly let-down by her. Her in-laws have calmly brushed off any involvement in the matter and are pretending to be as innocent as babes lost in the woods. 


Should Jodha have told Jalal about Hamida's blackmail?

No. Nothing sounds cheaper to me than complaining about someone's behavior behind their back. Esp complaining about your mother-in-law to your husband. 

Jalal already knew that his mother had tried to convert Jodha once. He knows that his mother has been off food for some reason. He should have known 2+2 = 4 , without Jodha having to tell him explicitly. He should know that his wife of some 25 odd years would not go against his wishes just like that, unless some strong reason was there. 

Under general circumstances, he keeps saying that there must be a strong reason behind Jodha's actions but he forgets that when something major happens. 


No, I don't blame Jodha for buckling under pressure. I don't blame her for keeping it from her husband. And I don't think she is weak. 




Jalal



Like I said, he should have understood that his mother had brought pressure upon Jodha to convert by refusing to eat food. 

When I saw the dark, stormy face of Jalal, as he entered the palace, and the way he purposefully strode towards his mother's chamber to talk to her, I thought he understood everything and would make his mother apologize to Jodha for forcing her to convert. But this didn't happen. 

Well, I understood the makers are going to milk this drama as long as they can and stretch it beyond endurance. 

But it may be that Jalal is being the TE and trying to wriggle a confession out of his mother, though I doubt it. There is no way to know ever when Jalal is being TE. :(


The only explanation that seems plausible to me is that he is deeply anguished by Jodha's betrayal, as he sees it. Here, he is separating her from others and seeing only her actions in isolation. 

WHich many of us do most times. I can recall many times when my son does something wrong and says he did it because "everyone (of his friends) was doing it". And I tell him that I don't care about the others but only about what he does and he should have remembered what I told him instead of giving weightage to what others told him. 

This ^^^ example is only to illustrate a point. 

We have different standards of judgement for the ones we love truly and for ones we don't care about. Jalal is able to brush off Ruq's antics because he doesn't care for her or what she does. But he cannot bear Jodha going wrong even slightly because it matters tremendously to him how she is. 


If he trusts anyone at all completely, it is her. He made her the MEH for the simple reason that he takes her to be his shadow, his own reflection or alter ego. In his eyes, there is no difference between them - they are one and the same soul in different bodies. 

Before going to war, he saw the pressure that was building up for her conversion and told her many times to guard herself against it. He knew that she had a tough battle on her hands, as tough as the one he was going to fight. At least, he had supporters, who were loyal to him and ready to die for him. She was all alone and the enemy was their own family, which made the battle an emotional mind game. 

His anguish is not that she went against his farman or against his decision. His anguish isn't also about what kind of message her conversion would send to the world at large or how that act would negate his hard-earned victory in the war of principles. 

His anguish is, deep down, simply the feeling of having trusted his soul to someone and then finding that the person had bartered that soul for a short-term gain. He is unable to come to terms with how Jodha, of all people, could withdraw her support to him, his principles, his decisions, just when victory was his. 

I don't know if I am able to do justice to Jalal's state of mind here. It is something we an only feel but very difficult to explain to someone. 


But I know the devastating effect on our mind, heart and soul when our closest friend, supporter, confidante, beloved, withdraws their support to us and joins hands with the other side. We may see that the person has taken the decision because of some solid reasons or under much duress, but we are still unable to reconcile with being "left hanging".  


Going by yesterday's episode, I will say love is still there, very much there between the two. His distress stems from the deep love he has for her. Even now, he is neither able to find succor elsewhere or say anything harsh to her. (Remains to be seen just how this distress is developed by the CVs and taken to the point where he wants to punish her by giving her a divorce). 

His words showed how meaningless his marriage seemed to have become when his wife broke one of the sacred marriage vows. To him, it doesn't matter what his mother or others say or do. They are like extraneous creatures now, his entire focus is on Jodha alone and on what she has done. 


He had never trusted even his shadow all his life till Jodha had entered his life and taught him the meaning of trust over a long period of time. We all know just how long it took for him to develop an unshakeable trust in her. Which indicates just how valuable that trust is to him. If now this hard-earned trust is gone, Jalal seems to be slipping back to where he came from - to the stage where he can trust no one again. 


He does not know how to react - he doesn't trust himself to react just yet. He is unable to accept even to himself just what it is that is paining him so much. When Jodha tells him that his words are hurting her, he laughs derisively - because he is hurting so much that he doesn't know how to deal with it. 



My sympathies lie with both. But I also trust in their love for each other and believe that their pure love will always have divine protection. This love will keep them together, and help them emerge unscathed from this experience too. 


I know we all want to see romance and intimate scenes of AkDha but life is not all romance. MUs and arguments and unpleasantness  raise their heads from time to time. How strong and mature our relationship is depends upon how well we deal with unpleasantness. Depending upon how JJ go about resolving their differences and come together again, their relationship will strengthen further. 

I know the divorce won't happen. Even if Jalal utters those words, it is to be remembered that he is only saying them in hurt and anger - we say many things in our hurt and anger esp with the ones we are closest to. Such words are meaningless. Once the anger, resentment, the hurt, the sense of betrayal is gone, calmness prevails and we are able  to think more rationally. 

I am happy with an introspective Jodha and the fact that she would rather discuss her situation with Moti than Salima. Like someone said, Salima can only issue lip service sympathy; she would never go out on a limb to defend someone.    



Not thinking about the witch at all. This is sick NR. At the end of the track, we know the witch will be kicked out and JJ will be together again. So let's not bother too much about her. 

 
And I love u radhikadi for such a beautiful beautuful post.Clap U hv showed both jj's pov so well I am in awe

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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 12:28am | IP Logged
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Hi Abhay


plz don't feel so disheartened. This is a show and some drama is necessary to stretch tracks. :) I agree i was also expecting more from Jalal but later, I realised both JJ were being natural. That is how we would react too in their place.


Charu and Devki put my thoughts into beautiful words in yesterday's thread. Thanks ladies :)

I know the CVs have messed up the characters of JJ and HB. But given these reel characters, we have to think of the situation from a neutral perspective and not as JJ fans or PS-RT fans or anti HB viewers. 




Jodha

She resisted the pressure for a really long time. But I can tell you that it's really difficult to be practical and think rationally when a mother figure is dying. And everyone blames you so much for it that you start believing you are responsible for her slipping into death. 

I won't say Jodha is a doormat or a crying machine in this track. Yes, the tears have been incessant. But she has been strong, introspective and has finally taken the plunge (to conversion) as a last resort, when it seems time is running out for her mother-in-law.

She is not happy about it. Apart from the sadness of having to give up on her Kanha, she is well aware that she is going against Jalal as both a husband and as the emperor and that he will be majorly disillusioned with her decision. She is aware that Jalal had forewarned her about pressure being brought upon her and how she must remain strong and stick to their decision, not to convert. She knows he has gone to war to fight for the right of his people to follow a faith of their choice. 


Yes, she is aware of all this. And yes, we all want to see her as a strong, emancipated woman. The trouble with being a strong person is that no one cares to ask how you are doing. People just assume you can do anything and be none the worse for it. 

It is easy to wonder why Jodha cannot be "strong" and "stick to her decision not to convert". But just think of the tremendous psychological, mental and emotional blackmail and pressure brought upon her by the inmates of the palace. For all intents and purposes, she is all alone, save for an inconsequential support like Moti. 



If the MM dies because Jodha didn't convert? 

Then what?

What a furore that would create in the empire! It's not only a question of saving 1 life but also the question of saving an important life - that of the queen mother. Jalal himself may then be upset with her because he had entrusted his mother to her before going to war.



Why didn't Jodha talk to Jalal about Hamida's tantrums and her decision to convert?

Naturally, she cannot upset Jalal with domestic squabbles when he is at war and needs to focus there completely. (She had even kept her pregnancy hidden from him when he was going to war. She had tried to hide her illness when he was about to go to war.) 

She knows that he will never agree to her conversion but, as she sees it, that is the only solution to save Hamida's life. 

Men and women differ in how they think. And people's reactions too differ to the decisions of men and women. It is known that in India, if the son takes a "wrong" decision, families can overlook it but will blame his wife for supporting him, saying that the guy may not have known/understood the consequences, but she, being a woman and responsible for the welfare of the family, should have "known better."


Here too, no one blames Jalal as such for either the war or for supporting right to faith, but are quick to condemn Jodha for the same causes. What a dichotomy!



The tragedy of being Jodha is that all these months, she suffered alone, putting up with social ostracization, isolation and unimaginable amount of ghrina and blame for simply supporting Jalal's decisions. It was ironic to see yesterday how all these women, who were ostensibly against war and Jalal's decisions,   were fawning over him and feeling proud of his victory in the war.

Which leads me to believe that Hamida actually thought that Jalal would lose the war against the more powerful (in her opinion) Shah-i-Iran. She may have got hyper thinking Jalal was going for a war that he would surely lose and she wanted to avoid this "loss of face" by compromising on ethics and sovereignty. 


It is easy to say "be strong" to someone else because we are not carrying the cross that they are. Sometimes, it is worthwhile remembering that a person who is having to take a decision then and there, using their limited perspective, is doing the best she can under the circumstances. 

In my view, Jodha is being as strong as she can in her position because she has taken the tough decision to save the MM over standing by her vow to her husband. Because in our Indian society, then or now, the mother is held over and above husband and children too, leave alone the kingdom. 


The irony is that just a moment turned the tide against Jodha. If only she had waited half a day more, Jalal would have returned and all would have been well. Well, almost - because I don't think in that case, Hamida would have ever stopped being hostile to her for not having listened to her order for conversion. 

Now Jodha is at a cross-roads. Her husband feels terribly let-down by her. Her in-laws have calmly brushed off any involvement in the matter and are pretending to be as innocent as babes lost in the woods. 


Should Jodha have told Jalal about Hamida's blackmail?

No. Nothing sounds cheaper to me than complaining about someone's behavior behind their back. Esp complaining about your mother-in-law to your husband. 

Jalal already knew that his mother had tried to convert Jodha once. He knows that his mother has been off food for some reason. He should have known 2+2 = 4 , without Jodha having to tell him explicitly. He should know that his wife of some 25 odd years would not go against his wishes just like that, unless some strong reason was there. 

Under general circumstances, he keeps saying that there must be a strong reason behind Jodha's actions but he forgets that when something major happens. 


No, I don't blame Jodha for buckling under pressure. I don't blame her for keeping it from her husband. And I don't think she is weak. 




Jalal



Like I said, he should have understood that his mother had brought pressure upon Jodha to convert by refusing to eat food. 

When I saw the dark, stormy face of Jalal, as he entered the palace, and the way he purposefully strode towards his mother's chamber to talk to her, I thought he understood everything and would make his mother apologize to Jodha for forcing her to convert. But this didn't happen. 

Well, I understood the makers are going to milk this drama as long as they can and stretch it beyond endurance. 

But it may be that Jalal is being the TE and trying to wriggle a confession out of his mother, though I doubt it. There is no way to know ever when Jalal is being TE. :(


The only explanation that seems plausible to me is that he is deeply anguished by Jodha's betrayal, as he sees it. Here, he is separating her from others and seeing only her actions in isolation. 

WHich many of us do most times. I can recall many times when my son does something wrong and says he did it because "everyone (of his friends) was doing it". And I tell him that I don't care about the others but only about what he does and he should have remembered what I told him instead of giving weightage to what others told him. 

This ^^^ example is only to illustrate a point. 

We have different standards of judgement for the ones we love truly and for ones we don't care about. Jalal is able to brush off Ruq's antics because he doesn't care for her or what she does. But he cannot bear Jodha going wrong even slightly because it matters tremendously to him how she is. 


If he trusts anyone at all completely, it is her. He made her the MEH for the simple reason that he takes her to be his shadow, his own reflection or alter ego. In his eyes, there is no difference between them - they are one and the same soul in different bodies. 

Before going to war, he saw the pressure that was building up for her conversion and told her many times to guard herself against it. He knew that she had a tough battle on her hands, as tough as the one he was going to fight. At least, he had supporters, who were loyal to him and ready to die for him. She was all alone and the enemy was their own family, which made the battle an emotional mind game. 

His anguish is not that she went against his farman or against his decision. His anguish isn't also about what kind of message her conversion would send to the world at large or how that act would negate his hard-earned victory in the war of principles. 

His anguish is, deep down, simply the feeling of having trusted his soul to someone and then finding that the person had bartered that soul for a short-term gain. He is unable to come to terms with how Jodha, of all people, could withdraw her support to him, his principles, his decisions, just when victory was his. 

I don't know if I am able to do justice to Jalal's state of mind here. It is something we an only feel but very difficult to explain to someone. 


But I know the devastating effect on our mind, heart and soul when our closest friend, supporter, confidante, beloved, withdraws their support to us and joins hands with the other side. We may see that the person has taken the decision because of some solid reasons or under much duress, but we are still unable to reconcile with being "left hanging".  


Going by yesterday's episode, I will say love is still there, very much there between the two. His distress stems from the deep love he has for her. Even now, he is neither able to find succor elsewhere or say anything harsh to her. (Remains to be seen just how this distress is developed by the CVs and taken to the point where he wants to punish her by giving her a divorce). 

His words showed how meaningless his marriage seemed to have become when his wife broke one of the sacred marriage vows. To him, it doesn't matter what his mother or others say or do. They are like extraneous creatures now, his entire focus is on Jodha alone and on what she has done. 


He had never trusted even his shadow all his life till Jodha had entered his life and taught him the meaning of trust over a long period of time. We all know just how long it took for him to develop an unshakeable trust in her. Which indicates just how valuable that trust is to him. If now this hard-earned trust is gone, Jalal seems to be slipping back to where he came from - to the stage where he can trust no one again. 


He does not know how to react - he doesn't trust himself to react just yet. He is unable to accept even to himself just what it is that is paining him so much. When Jodha tells him that his words are hurting her, he laughs derisively - because he is hurting so much that he doesn't know how to deal with it. 



My sympathies lie with both. But I also trust in their love for each other and believe that their pure love will always have divine protection. This love will keep them together, and help them emerge unscathed from this experience too. 


I know we all want to see romance and intimate scenes of AkDha but life is not all romance. MUs and arguments and unpleasantness  raise their heads from time to time. How strong and mature our relationship is depends upon how well we deal with unpleasantness. Depending upon how JJ go about resolving their differences and come together again, their relationship will strengthen further. 

I know the divorce won't happen. Even if Jalal utters those words, it is to be remembered that he is only saying them in hurt and anger - we say many things in our hurt and anger esp with the ones we are closest to. Such words are meaningless. Once the anger, resentment, the hurt, the sense of betrayal is gone, calmness prevails and we are able  to think more rationally. 

I am happy with an introspective Jodha and the fact that she would rather discuss her situation with Moti than Salima. Like someone said, Salima can only issue lip service sympathy; she would never go out on a limb to defend someone.    



Not thinking about the witch at all. This is sick NR. At the end of the track, we know the witch will be kicked out and JJ will be together again. So let's not bother too much about her. 

  






What a beautiful post Radhika! Hug Hug

There is nothing that you have not covered here, the conflicting emotions both Jodha and Jalal would have gone through, the angst in Jalal's heart.. Clap

Whatever it is though, we know at the end of this track JJ will be together, stronger than ever. :)

Just if episodes were half as enjoyable as your updates...

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Let me say this episode was more on the 'lets simply drag this MU' side, and less on the 'lets show Akdha as a mature couple' side.

If only I could, I would throttle the writers for presenting a completely uncreative sloppy script in the  form  of Natakiya Roopantar.Angry . 

It started off well, but played out to be quite a mixed up episode.

Justified Anger??
I felt that Jalal's anger was justified, because the whole point of the war he fought was to ensure that every citizen of his empire could choose their religion freely, but Jodha herself under pressure decided to change. Whether Jodha is right is not the question, but is Jalal's anger Justified... I feel it is. After promises to her husband and herself she was not only going against Jalal but her own heart by accepting Islam, which would be the biggest insult to the religion. This anger is just a reflection of Jalal's disappointment in Jodha, because he left for war knowing that Jodha would be propagating the same thought as his back home, but here she had succumbed to pressure. Not only succumber to pressure but was on the verge of losing her very identity.

Yes, Jalal has all the right to be angry. Rajat played the livid yet restrained Jalal to the hilt today. Clap Him feeling let down by the love of his life is totally justified. Yet at the same time, I wish it had occurred to him that Jodha would never take an extreme measure second time around, especially after promising him, not to do so, without a valid reason.

Is Jodha Wrong?
Wrong would be harsh, but to say that she dealt with the situation in the incorrect manner can be right. Instead of giving into the demands, I would have wanted Jodha to stand upto HB, and tell her why changing her religion would go against the very concept her son Jalal was fighting for. Situations were against Jodha, but she could have atleast dealt with it differently. If not the Jalal card she could have atleast told HB, that her accepting Islam would be an insult to the religion, because she could never give her heart to it. Or she could have just told HB that the war must be over by now.

Yes, Jodha could have tried to reason out the situation and Jalal's point of view with Hamida Begum, but do you honestly think MM would have listened to her? Hamida Begum was very well aware that forcible conversion into Islam is unacceptable, yet she forced Jodha to do so and ended up having a heart attack in court when Jodha refused to give in to her demands for the second time. HB was on a singlehanded mission of emotional manipulation and  self destruction. Jodha was at a loss as a daughter-in-law, wife and MEK. She was burdened with the feeling that her condition to Jalal of allowing her to practice hinduism within the Agra Mahal was proving to be the reason for immense unhappiness within the family and Hindustan. Saddled with this wrong notion, she set out to give into HB's request. HB's ' fast unto getting my way' pushed her into reconsidering conversion.

HB, GB turned on Mute:
Look's like HB and GB have very conveniently turned on their Mute buttons, and have nothing to say at all about Jodha's conversion. If Jalal had not returned and Jodha had converted, HB would be smiling from ear to ear, but now that Jalal is back safe and sound Hamida has totally forgotten that it was her food strike and GB's taunts that forced Jodha into taking such a decision in the first place. All that the 2 Royal ladies could do is sit and looke shocked, when they very much knew that Jodha would never have taken this step if not for them guilt tripping her. And what is this sudden overprotection for Jalal and the soldiers, it's not like this is the first war Jalal has been to.

The manner in which the characters of both Gulbadan Begum and Hamida Begum have been etched out is demeaning and insulting. Upon seeing Jodha in Mughal attire, the expression that HB had was one of "oh my, now that you've attempted conversion, due to my illogical behavior and my son is aware of it, I will be shredded to pieces". I wish Salima Begum steps in and apprises Jalal of the conditions in the mahal during his absence, the stress and trauma, Jodha had to undergo, due to his mothers'  petulant behavior, the heart attack drama in 'diwaan-e-khas' and her subsequent 'bhook hartal'. I don't think we will ever see Jodha defending herself and her actions to Jalal..

Distance...
Today's Akdha scene was atleast a little better off in terms of MU scenes because, usually their MU scenes consist of Jalal yelling at the top of his voice and Jodha just moping. So it was atleast okay to see how Jalal asked Jodha to leave before he loses his cool and utters something that he never meant. Right now Jalal needs some time to sort out his thoughts, maybe look athe situation from Jodha's point of view and to asesss the happenings of Agra as a whole, hopefully to piece together that it was HB Satyagraha that led to Jodha wanting to change her religion.

Precap??
Well hopefully the precap is just to add that Masala that the CV's just love. JJ have come such a long way and now these MU's really don't seem so possible. Staying distant away for a while, having small fights is okay at this stage, but to directly decide to divorce your 'soul mate' is something that I hope the CV's do not show at this stage, after establishing such a strong bond between Jalal and Jodha. So it could be

1) Rukaiyya's crazy dream, where her ambition of getting a huge MU between JJ happens.
or
2) This is maybe a Tedha plan of Jalal's, hoping to get the truth out of HB. Maybe he gets to know about the strained relations and knows that however much HB refuses to talk to Jodha she would never want Jodha to leave FOREVER from Agra and Jalal's life.

I will opt for point nos 2. Maybe Jalal has been updated about all the dramatic happenings in the Mahal during his absence. Declaring a 'talaq' maybe his idea of getting Hamida Begum to accept her mistakes and also proving to her that when she insisted that Jodha not adhere to Jalal's hokum and the promise given to him, then Jodha does not need to remain his wife anymore. He very well knows that this step will provoke both HB and Jodha to reveal the truth themselves.

The CreativesAngry could also be showing an unreasonable Jalal declaring Talaq as a result of muddled thinking, thanks to the influence of voodoo.

Awesome analysis as usual Aadhya.Smile Today's episode highlighted the writers Creativity at its worst. What a dismal, undignified portrayal of Jodha, Hamida Begum and Gulbadan Begum. Disapprove


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What a well written post. The disappointment everyone has faced due to the abysmal characterization of the Royal ladies is very much visible. They have resorted to showing this typical 'saas-bahu' drama, the only aspect in which JA used to be different from other serials.

I can't blame Jodha entirely here, but I will blame the CV's who have made Jodha mouth such terrible dialogues. Jodha was in a tight situation, where she did not want Jalal to come back to see his mother lying dead from Starvation, so she chose to save her mother's life. I can't say that she is wrong for this, however much I would have preferred her standing upto Ammijaan and putting the facts in front of her. But now she has not done that earlier, so I hope that at least today Jodha does not keep mum, and tells Jalal that it was either his mother's life or her keeping  her religion.

This 'Talaq' drama is very confusing, but I am hoping it's a plan to get the truth out, and not that Jalal is genuinely telling Jodha. If this is something that he means really, than i will hope that it's that Chudails magic, and it will wear off soon due to JJ love. I WILL NOT WATCH AN MU NOW.


Today is the 500th episode, maybe they can at least show us some good scene's today? A Tedha Jalal would be a treat to watch.



I am not really expecting the talaq thing to be a dramaCry maybe jalal said it somehow kiu we will know today. But so many times we have wanted jalal and jodha to act pretend and have a plan b and it has never happenedSleepyall the time they were shown stupid believing what they see.Zada hope mat rakhna aadyOuchour mahan cvs are not capable of writing any such intelligent tracks,our jo ja acant actAngry


Sayeri, Atifa track when half the forum had given up hope on Jalal, it ended up being a Tedha Plan. I still remember that episode where he will look at Jodha from behind the curtain and ''Ishq hai Vo Ehsaas', starts playing. Day Dreaming

There have been several incidents when we taught it was a plan too, but I don't think they will compromise by showing Jalal as such a impulsive person who will not even trying to look at all sides of the matter. If Jodha was going to give up her Kanha after refusing to change her religion once already, there must be something up, and I am trusting that Jalal will figure it out.

I really don't care even if there is rona-dona today, if it is a Tedha Plan, its enough for me. But even I am actually unsure now, because of this chudail thing. If the chudail was not there I would have been sure that it was a plan, but now it can swing anyway. Because he is going to become her 'Gulaam' or something on Kaali Pournami, so we never know, today's episode might as well be that Kaali Pournami. Confused


yes aady I remeber atifa track how dashingly jalal entered as a saint nd saved jo from falling.Embarrassed but we cant really trust cvs lets see what happens. but how can purnima be kaali i dnt undrstnd uts amabas which can b kaliLOL

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Sayeri, Atifa track when half the forum had given up hope on Jalal, it ended up being a Tedha Plan. I still remember that episode where he will look at Jodha from behind the curtain and ''Ishq hai Vo Ehsaas', starts playing. Day Dreaming

There have been several incidents when we taught it was a plan too, but I don't think they will compromise by showing Jalal as such a impulsive person who will not even trying to look at all sides of the matter. If Jodha was going to give up her Kanha after refusing to change her religion once already, there must be something up, and I am trusting that Jalal will figure it out.

I really don't care even if there is rona-dona today, if it is a Tedha Plan, its enough for me. But even I am actually unsure now, because of this chudail thing. If the chudail was not there I would have been sure that it was a plan, but now it can swing anyway. Because he is going to become her 'Gulaam' or something on Kaali Pournami, so we never know, today's episode might as well be that Kaali Pournami. Confused


yes aady I remeber atifa track how dashingly jalal entered as a saint nd saved jo from falling.Embarrassed but we cant really trust cvs lets see what happens. but how can purnima be kaali i dnt undrstnd uts amabas which can b kaliLOL


Ohh, then must be Amavas. I did not pay much attention to the Chudail's dialogues. Whoever thought of coming up with Bengali Chudails. Sleepy


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Sayeri, Atifa track when half the forum had given up hope on Jalal, it ended up being a Tedha Plan. I still remember that episode where he will look at Jodha from behind the curtain and ''Ishq hai Vo Ehsaas', starts playing. Day Dreaming

There have been several incidents when we taught it was a plan too, but I don't think they will compromise by showing Jalal as such a impulsive person who will not even trying to look at all sides of the matter. If Jodha was going to give up her Kanha after refusing to change her religion once already, there must be something up, and I am trusting that Jalal will figure it out.

I really don't care even if there is rona-dona today, if it is a Tedha Plan, its enough for me. But even I am actually unsure now, because of this chudail thing. If the chudail was not there I would have been sure that it was a plan, but now it can swing anyway. Because he is going to become her 'Gulaam' or something on Kaali Pournami, so we never know, today's episode might as well be that Kaali Pournami. Confused


yes aady I remeber atifa track how dashingly jalal entered as a saint nd saved jo from falling.Embarrassed but we cant really trust cvs lets see what happens. but how can purnima be kaali i dnt undrstnd uts amabas which can b kaliLOL


Ohh, then must be Amavas. I did not pay much attention to the Chudail's dialogues. Whoever thought of coming up with Bengali Chudails. Sleepy
tell meCry its so humiliating. And how come they speak in modern bengali which was not there evn in19 th  enturyConfused

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Sayeri, Atifa track when half the forum had given up hope on Jalal, it ended up being a Tedha Plan. I still remember that episode where he will look at Jodha from behind the curtain and ''Ishq hai Vo Ehsaas', starts playing. Day Dreaming

There have been several incidents when we taught it was a plan too, but I don't think they will compromise by showing Jalal as such a impulsive person who will not even trying to look at all sides of the matter. If Jodha was going to give up her Kanha after refusing to change her religion once already, there must be something up, and I am trusting that Jalal will figure it out.

I really don't care even if there is rona-dona today, if it is a Tedha Plan, its enough for me. But even I am actually unsure now, because of this chudail thing. If the chudail was not there I would have been sure that it was a plan, but now it can swing anyway. Because he is going to become her 'Gulaam' or something on Kaali Pournami, so we never know, today's episode might as well be that Kaali Pournami. Confused


yes aady I remeber atifa track how dashingly jalal entered as a saint nd saved jo from falling.Embarrassed but we cant really trust cvs lets see what happens. but how can purnima be kaali i dnt undrstnd uts amabas which can b kaliLOL


Ohh, then must be Amavas. I did not pay much attention to the Chudail's dialogues. Whoever thought of coming up with Bengali Chudails. Sleepy
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yes abhay , what the hell. no one say anything to jalal. and jodha also not saying what happens in the absence of jalal in agra.  i don't aspect this with HB and GB. both are silent. all are so many things to jodha and now what happened to all. i know here jodha's also wrong but that not means all are left on jodha like this. 
TFS Abhay.


again same reaction from me like I always say when Jo is insulted beyond extent by everyone including Jalal... time for Jo to punish everybody ... she should leave Jalal, Agra and all those selfish and insane ppl, who want her with them only for their benefits, and later r ready to discard her like some used tissue... and she should not accept their apology so easily...

coz even if Jalal is acting to make his point understand, everytime using the drama of divorce to Jo is very insulting...

if his mother and his Jaan begum r torturing Jo , then it was his duty to punish them and not to Jo... and if this is his way of loving her most, then she is better without such love...

Its Jalal's  habit I believe to punish all wrong people and mostly blame Jo for everything.. Remember Hasan and Hussains death ..he blamed Jo and our Jo accepted quietly that it was her fault and so this time also .. she will not open her mouth and take the blame all to herself ..

jalal have tendency to act first and ask or explain later regarding jodha, remember spicy food incident, ruk mc, hassan hussein death , he seem always take rage first then regret later whenever situation not in jodha side.

in this track both jalal and jodha act for what they think is right, jodha doesnt want the relationship between mother and son in trouble so she take and bear the blame, jalal feel anger and hurt because jodha broke her promise is ok too but to give punishment by giving talaq that is sth i dont understand, be careful jalal because you cant take back what you already said. i just wondering what would happen if jalal know the whole story and situation ? ( i assume he is not aware of jodha situation in his absence at palace ), and i wonder if jodha not convert and let hamida health getting worst how jalal will react ?.

sth interesting in this track that no matter jodha willingly to convert in the end God forbid, first time jodha will convert in the last minute she decide not to convert and now the second time in the last minute jalal stop it ( the second time i feel it more like God way by make jalal horse refuse to leave ), God know that even jodha said she is willing to convert but deep down her soul died, jodha are trully a good hindu so how come Kanha let jodha convert underpressure.

jalal pretend to give talaq to teach hamida n jodha a lesson or really true giving talaq its not good, because you cant play with marriage, jalal aware jodha will completely shattered if he give her talaq but if he keep give talaq then i hope he wont regret if sth happen to jodha.

like i said still wish jodha go from agra and find another hunk hot handsome king hhahahaa LOLLOLLOL


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even i want this to be happen..but  see there is no king who will snatch Jodha from jalal sab darte haiAngrybut...Jodha can run away she has  taab LOLand i know no one will able to find her if she runs Tongue
laboni is on d way she is coming for jallu so...
i want Edward asapDay Dreamingblood sucking vampire for JodhaEmbarrassed he would be fida on her just a one look
 fir dekho kya nazara hoga Jodha with Edy Like Chocolate with CandyBlushingDay Dreaming

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