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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 12:21am | IP Logged
Anandi made a promise to a dying man for that she does not owe any apology to anyone except the dying man himself in case she is not able to fulfill his wishes.

The second thing here Anandi did admit that she made the promise without consulting them. She did admit to that but not for making the promise to Ratan.

For her when she made the promise he was no different from Suhasini or Jyothi or so many other people who asked her help or who didn't ask for her help.She saw someone in misery she reached out to that person for that She does not owe any apology to any one for that except to the person himself in case she failed to fulfil her promise or making a promise that she couldn't keep.

Neither Ganga nor Jagya are obliged to help Anandi fulfil that promise.Nor did she force them.

She did say sorry that SHE HAD NOT ASKED THEM before she made that promise which indeed is her fault 

Yes she apologised to Ganga in case she caused her trouble.When Ganga didn't change her mind about Mannu she left it at that.

What will Anandi do ? At the most she will feel a bit bad that she couldn't be of help to some one and she can very well live with that failure.She tried and she didn't succeed and there ends the matter for her.

So where is the question of any intereference?

The problem came up only because Ganga for reasons best known to her went back on the promise that she herself gave to Ratan.
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As for making someone bad or killing off someone and making someone look foolish or making some people unreasonable - all these things are part of story telling.
Today they made Ganga look bad because it suited them sometime back they made Anandi run like a scared cat inorder to get her child kidnapped because it suited their story and worst of all they killed off Shiv just because it suited the story they wanted to tell.

If Ganga is made to look bad it is because of CVs and if Anandi's life was full of bliss or filled with endless sorrow it is CVs doing.

Well there was an interview from the writer Purnendu Shekhar himself that Anandi will never turn grey or negative it will be other characters which will be twisted to suit their story and if they can't twist the character to make a  story for that character they will bump off the character too.
It is their business.

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 12:25am | IP Logged
@ Jia, The situations are quite similar.
Sumitra did not want a DIL like Ganga, because she feared that alliance with Ganga, will invite troubles through Ratan Singh (Ganga's past) and besides that she wished for a virgin, educated  and smart DIL like Saanchi.

Underlying concept: A mother's fear and her wish to see her son having a secured future 

Similarly, Ganga fears to give away Mannu to Ratan Singh because of Ratan's history

Underlying concept: A mother's fear  (insecurity) and her wish to see her son having a secured future with a father like J, instead of a father like Ratan.

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Why was Sumi upset? 
When she raised her worries regarding Ganga and her association with RS, Bhairon and Jagya brushed off her worries instead of addressing her gently. To add fuel, when Ganga chose to leave BH (after the haveli burn fiasco), she left an emotional letter to J, making it sound like she is forced to leave the haveli. And worse even, J and Bhairon blamed Sumi for Ganga leaving the haveli. 

Why is Ganga upset? 
She has her own fears about not letting Mannu know about his real identity but instead of calming her fears down and addressing her emotions, J is silently supporting Anandi's actions and thought processes which is outraging Ganga. And this is natural.

Just as Sumi was feeling outraged and left out back then, Ganga is feeling it this time. 

Ganga vs Anandi: 

The only difference is that Ganga was an opportunist back then and took every available opportunity to stay close to Singhs and Jagya, until she eventually became BH's bahu,

While Anandi is interfering in JaGan's life, and may continue to do so till Ganga agrees to make Mannu meet Ratan.

Back then Ganga pretended that she is sorry for hurting Singhs by marrying Jagya (that it was not within her control to stop J from marrying her). But reality is that she very much wanted that marriage and that's why did not wait to take everyone's consent. Hence she played ' poor soul'

Similarly Anandi is now pretending to be sorry for hurting Ganga (i.e. that she was facing such a situation that she had to make a promise to Ratan Singh). But in reality Anandi very much wants Mannu to meet Ratan and that's why she also did not wait to take JaGan's consent. Hence playing a 'poor soul'

Both Ganga and Anandi always do what they want and then they act like nothing was in their control. 



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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 12:56am | IP Logged
Originally posted by aparnauma

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As for making someone bad or killing off someone and making someone look foolish or making some people unreasonable - all these things are part of story telling.
Today they made Ganga look bad because it suited them sometime back they made Anandi run like a scared cat inorder to get her child kidnapped because it suited their story and worst of all they killed off Shiv just because it suited the story they wanted to tell.

If Ganga is made to look bad it is because of CVs and if Anandi's life was full of bliss or filled with endless sorrow it is CVs doing.

Well there was an interview from the writer Purnendu Shekhar himself that Anandi will never turn grey or negative it will be other characters which will be twisted to suit their story and if they can't twist the character to make a  story for that character they will bump off the character too.
It is their business.
I am not questioning CVs but just stating that CVs take extreme approach to all their situations i.e twist story to make one look completely bad and one completely helpless, when there a more subtle ways to handle the same situation and not make either characters look out of place.

Coming to the current situation of Anandi's promise, people have defended Anandi saying that she has a habit of behaving in an implulse fashion, whenever she sees someone suffering. And whenever her impulsive decision has backfired, she is the one who has lost the most. This is a fact and I agree to that. But my question (to the show-makers through their characterisation is) 'Should a character not grow?' Couldn't a situation be shown in a more subtle fashion instead of mere black and white?

How about? (hypothetically)

After bumping into Ratan Singh, if Anandi chooses to tell him that she will discuss the matter (without making any promise) with JaGan;  goes home,  passes the message, discusses the matter, puts forwards her points and allows JaGan their time to come a conclusion on Ratan -mannu reality. 

Wouldn't it have been a more meaningful scenario to watch? Same situation, but more subtle and closer to reality.

But No, CVs made A to make a promise in an impulsive. Such acts always and ever, makes Anandi appear as naive and foolish. After 20+ years of experience in social service, is Anandi still that naive? 

On the other hand, is Ganga indeed so selfish? They could have left her character grey (that of an insecured mother) and given her more subtle dialogues than making her appear pure selfish and dominating in this matter? 

Situations are always extreme in BV. I was not taking about this case in particular but so many cases, be is SaJa, or A forcing J to marry 3rd time, or A vs DB drug story, Anup-Alok, Shiv's death, and most ridiculous one was the way A lost Nandini and the way she landed in BH forever. Plus many more.

All these situations are too hard and extreme to believe or appreciate, even though the concept of that story may be nice.




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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 1:06am | IP Logged
@esha 
on superficial level it luks same but we see beyond that then its difft.
yes fears of mothers were same no denying but at that time sumi bcum inhuman while ganga still doesn't.
it was not sumi's desire 2 see J's future secured oderwise  she shud'd seen the incompatibility factor but she chose 2 ignore bcoz she wanted a virgin DIl 2 raise her status unlike ganga  whos only concern is her son's future(its hsown many times 4 him she bcum nurse so taht she cna raise him 2 b gud human being & ahv bright future)

ganga was not opportunist back then.she mite'd wanted  2 marry J but never like thta and thatswhy she  asked him leave her  even after he mrd her wid full rituals

if she wud' been opportunist she wud'd never asked J 2 go back 2 singhs leaving her.
thats wrong 2 say that she wanted 2 marry him. she luved him but never thot of that she cud marry him. she herself  said that shes not worth him.
 just bcoz u luvs sum1 & also got mrd doesn't make u opportunist.

and ganga left emotional letter not 2 make any1 guilty.s he left that letter bcoz shes answerable 2 J & she din't sound like shes blaming. she only wrote that shes leaving BH as she thinks bcoz of her BH is not safe.

and J & BS blamed sumi bcoz she behaved like a lunatic esply she shudn't'd said ganga is not sugna or A thats we shud care abt her.. she din't luk like a fearful mother rather  a prsn who hates ganga v.much widout any reason.

sorry 2 say i don't think its make sum1 opportunist.

ganga is not getting outraged bcoz J thinking Ais rite. bcoz ganga knows that J wanted this from past 5 yrs. shes only outraged that why did A give promise 2 ratan widout consulting them.yes her outrage is natural but shes not thinking that J is silently agreeing wid A.A   is asking 2tell abt ratan bcoz of her promise while J'd difft reasons.

and i don't think ganga pretended & wanted 2 live close 2 singhs or J thaswhy wen J told her  abt jaipur job she realized shes not needed so stay away from singhs & J.and she wanted 2 go back jaitser as it has her own culture & environment & ppl r familiar
 
and just bcoz she din't wait 4 all BH ppl's consent doesn't make her opportunist. if she never wanted  consent she wudn't'd asked J 2 leave her.no opportunist will do this.

 i don't think ganga always does/ did wat she  wanted .there r many instances where she din't do wat she  wanted she mite'd did/ does sumthing on her own but not always like A.
here i can't compare her wid A.

4 me JaGan luv track & tis track is superfiically same .only thing similar is mother's fears.

and btw my name is not JiaSmile
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 1:08am | IP Logged
Ganga's fears regarding Mannu nobody is questioning them since as a mother she is bound to feel worried 
Well keeping the truth hidden from  Mannu whether it is  right way to protect Mannu or not is also not a question to debate since hiding the truth does not make them immune to that truth.

A truth hidden will always find a way to come out.

Her approach to her problems regarding Mannu that are being questioned.

Neither Sumi was wrong back then nor is Ganga wrong if she wants to protect her son from Mannu and Pooja .
It is only her methods that are being questioned now.

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If Shivam doesn't know that he has a twin sister that is wrong as well. 

Both Mannu and Shivam may be too young to understand the situations but parents should give them minimum details which could be understood at that age
Mannu need not be told all the gory details of his mother's life with his birth father he just needs to know that his mother had been married before but the amrriage didn't work out so they sepertaed.
Just like Shivam needs to know that he had twin sister who has been kidnapped.

What Anandi did or didn't do in her life should not be an excuse for Ganga to do what she should shouldn't do in her life.After all didn't she doesn't like to be compared then why is she comparing even to score point with her husband? Did she like it when her husband used Anandi to score a point in his argument?
Who is bringing in Anandi into their lives? Is Anandi bringing herself or they are bringing her into their lives?

Anandi as a part of her promise did try to make Ganga see her point when she failed she left it at that so where is the question of Anandi interfering?
Had Anandi been interfering in their matters Mannu would have gotten to know about his father long time back Abhi would have gotten a lecture along with Shivam  from Anandi everytime he went into a sulk after Shivam rubbed him in the wrong way.
But all these things didn't happen

It is Ganga who has been inconsistent in her behaviour  she welcomed the comparisons with Anandi when it suited her she welcomed her inputs in her affairs when it benefitted from her.Why did she not tell BH people not to compare her chai with Anandi's chai when it was clear that she didn't like being compared?
it is also possible that she had no problem with Anandi staying in BH and helping her take care of her own kids while she was away doing Medicine and then specialisation  because it was great to have a support system.
If Anandi stayed in BH because of the support that she needed it was also very much possible that Ganga also needed help of an extra hand.

Anandi from what is shown so far has been wanting to go away and it is only her weakness towards Dsa that prevented from leaving and it was clear that Anandi didn't want to be get more importance than Ganga has been getting from Dsa and J which she never wanted in the first place.

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 1:18am | IP Logged
Originally posted by tiny15

@esha 

and btw my name is not JiaSmile
So Sorry for the name confusion... apologies Smile

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 1:31am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Missesha

Originally posted by tiny15

@esha 

and btw my name is not JiaSmile
So Sorry for the name confusion... apologies Smile
no need  2 apologise. it happens.Smile

i was just confused wen i saw ur post Jia's name after that i realized itLOL

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 1:36am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Missesha

Originally posted by aparnauma

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As for making someone bad or killing off someone and making someone look foolish or making some people unreasonable - all these things are part of story telling.
Today they made Ganga look bad because it suited them sometime back they made Anandi run like a scared cat inorder to get her child kidnapped because it suited their story and worst of all they killed off Shiv just because it suited the story they wanted to tell.

If Ganga is made to look bad it is because of CVs and if Anandi's life was full of bliss or filled with endless sorrow it is CVs doing.

Well there was an interview from the writer Purnendu Shekhar himself that Anandi will never turn grey or negative it will be other characters which will be twisted to suit their story and if they can't twist the character to make a  story for that character they will bump off the character too.
It is their business.
I am not questioning CVs but just stating that CVs take extreme approach to all their situations i.e twist story to make one look completely bad and one completely helpless, when there a more subtle ways to handle the same situation and not make either characters look out of place.

Coming to the current situation of Anandi's promise, people have defended Anandi saying that she has a habit of behaving in an implulse fashion, whenever she sees someone suffering. And whenever her impulsive decision has backfired, she is the one who has lost the most. This is a fact and I agree to that. But my question (to the show-makers through their characterisation is) 'Should a character not grow?' Couldn't a situation be shown in a more subtle fashion instead of mere black and white?

How about? (hypothetically)

After bumping into Ratan Singh, if Anandi chooses to tell him that she will discuss the matter (without making any promise) with JaGan;  goes home,  passes the message, discusses the matter, puts forwards her points and allows JaGan their time to come a conclusion on Ratan -mannu reality. 

Wouldn't it have been a more meaningful scenario to watch? Same situation, but more subtle and closer to reality.

But No, CVs made A to make a promise in an impulsive. Such acts always and ever, makes Anandi appear as naive and foolish. After 20+ years of experience in social service, is Anandi still that naive? 

On the other hand, is Ganga indeed so selfish? They could have left her character grey (that of an insecured mother) and given her more subtle dialogues than making her appear pure selfish and dominating in this matter? 

Situations are always extreme in BV. I was not taking about this case in particular but so many cases, be is SaJa, or A forcing J to marry 3rd time, or A vs DB drug story, Anup-Alok, Shiv's death, and most ridiculous one was the way A lost Nandini and the way she landed in BH forever. Plus many more.

All these situations are too hard and extreme to believe or appreciate, even though the concept of that story may be nice.


Helping other people -regardless of what state she is in and how miserable her life or how happy and  content she is  -  Anandi did always reach out to people.
Yes she doesn't think what problems that her helping nature will land her in - is it because she is stupid or is it because she doesn't think about herself?

What exactly did she see in Ratan ? A frail dying man who is full of regrets and just wanting to see that if one act of goodness from his side has yielded any good results so that he can die in peace.
Wanting to help a person in that state is it something wrong? No
Promising that man - is it wrong in principle?No.
What had been wrong was that she did not talk to Jagya and Ganga which everyone agrees that she had been wrong there.
Does wanting to help a man in that condition amounts interfering in Ganag and Jagya's life?

In fact she didn't put Jagya and Ganga in trouble but she only landed herself in trouble and she will feel a bit bad if she has not been able to fulfill the promise inspite of trying her best and there ends the matter for her.

Knowing Anandi she may not have approved of Ganga's decision about not wanting to reveal about Ratan to Mannu. But did she interfere in all these years in that issue just because she felt it is right and Ganga was doing wrong? No
So how does the act of promising Ratan become an interfering act?
It is foolishness on her part at the most and not an interfering act.

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Don't know whether they have been twisted so out of shape in this particular case.
Ganga is someone who is into self preservation at any cost. That is what is coming across here.
She looks after her own interests and that was from the begining and she doesn't care where the help comes from and what that person has to pay in order to help her.
Well Anandi when it comes to wanting help and she first decides on helping and then thinks about the ways she can help most of the times she succeeds and sometimes they back fire even when they backfire she make sure that it is she who ends up paying price and not anyone else one misjudgement on her part filled her life with misery tomorrow her daughter may overlook her mistake but will she over look?Anandi has a habit of losing her head when it comes to the safety of her loved ones or in her fear of being seperated from her loved ones as in case of Palash track or during Nandini's kidnap That was her character trait she fears for her loved ones much more than she fears for herself and that is what has been used in Nandini's kidnap track


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