One apology, different reactions - Page 6

Posted: 8 years ago
Originally posted by aparnauma


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As for making someone bad or killing off someone and making someone look foolish or making some people unreasonable - all these things are part of story telling.
Today they made Ganga look bad because it suited them sometime back they made Anandi run like a scared cat inorder to get her child kidnapped because it suited their story and worst of all they killed off Shiv just because it suited the story they wanted to tell.

If Ganga is made to look bad it is because of CVs and if Anandi's life was full of bliss or filled with endless sorrow it is CVs doing.

Well there was an interview from the writer Purnendu Shekhar himself that Anandi will never turn grey or negative it will be other characters which will be twisted to suit their story and if they can't twist the character to make a  story for that character they will bump off the character too.
It is their business.
I am not questioning CVs but just stating that CVs take extreme approach to all their situations i.e twist story to make one look completely bad and one completely helpless, when there a more subtle ways to handle the same situation and not make either characters look out of place.

Coming to the current situation of Anandi's promise, people have defended Anandi saying that she has a habit of behaving in an implulse fashion, whenever she sees someone suffering. And whenever her impulsive decision has backfired, she is the one who has lost the most. This is a fact and I agree to that. But my question (to the show-makers through their characterisation is) 'Should a character not grow?' Couldn't a situation be shown in a more subtle fashion instead of mere black and white?

How about? (hypothetically)

After bumping into Ratan Singh, if Anandi chooses to tell him that she will discuss the matter (without making any promise) with JaGan;  goes home,  passes the message, discusses the matter, puts forwards her points and allows JaGan their time to come a conclusion on Ratan -mannu reality. 

Wouldn't it have been a more meaningful scenario to watch? Same situation, but more subtle and closer to reality.

But No, CVs made A to make a promise in an impulsive. Such acts always and ever, makes Anandi appear as naive and foolish. After 20+ years of experience in social service, is Anandi still that naive? 

On the other hand, is Ganga indeed so selfish? They could have left her character grey (that of an insecured mother) and given her more subtle dialogues than making her appear pure selfish and dominating in this matter? 

Situations are always extreme in BV. I was not taking about this case in particular but so many cases, be is SaJa, or A forcing J to marry 3rd time, or A vs DB drug story, Anup-Alok, Shiv's death, and most ridiculous one was the way A lost Nandini and the way she landed in BH forever. Plus many more.

All these situations are too hard and extreme to believe or appreciate, even though the concept of that story may be nice.


Edited by Missesha - 8 years ago
Posted: 8 years ago
@esha 
on superficial level it luks same but we see beyond that then its difft.
yes fears of mothers were same no denying but at that time sumi bcum inhuman while ganga still doesn't.
it was not sumi's desire 2 see J's future secured oderwise  she shud'd seen the incompatibility factor but she chose 2 ignore bcoz she wanted a virgin DIl 2 raise her status unlike ganga  whos only concern is her son's future(its hsown many times 4 him she bcum nurse so taht she cna raise him 2 b gud human being & ahv bright future)

ganga was not opportunist back then.she mite'd wanted  2 marry J but never like thta and thatswhy she  asked him leave her  even after he mrd her wid full rituals

if she wud' been opportunist she wud'd never asked J 2 go back 2 singhs leaving her.
thats wrong 2 say that she wanted 2 marry him. she luved him but never thot of that she cud marry him. she herself  said that shes not worth him.
 just bcoz u luvs sum1 & also got mrd doesn't make u opportunist.

and ganga left emotional letter not 2 make any1 guilty.s he left that letter bcoz shes answerable 2 J & she din't sound like shes blaming. she only wrote that shes leaving BH as she thinks bcoz of her BH is not safe.

and J & BS blamed sumi bcoz she behaved like a lunatic esply she shudn't'd said ganga is not sugna or A thats we shud care abt her.. she din't luk like a fearful mother rather  a prsn who hates ganga v.much widout any reason.

sorry 2 say i don't think its make sum1 opportunist.

ganga is not getting outraged bcoz J thinking Ais rite. bcoz ganga knows that J wanted this from past 5 yrs. shes only outraged that why did A give promise 2 ratan widout consulting them.yes her outrage is natural but shes not thinking that J is silently agreeing wid A.A   is asking 2tell abt ratan bcoz of her promise while J'd difft reasons.

and i don't think ganga pretended & wanted 2 live close 2 singhs or J thaswhy wen J told her  abt jaipur job she realized shes not needed so stay away from singhs & J.and she wanted 2 go back jaitser as it has her own culture & environment & ppl r familiar
 
and just bcoz she din't wait 4 all BH ppl's consent doesn't make her opportunist. if she never wanted  consent she wudn't'd asked J 2 leave her.no opportunist will do this.

 i don't think ganga always does/ did wat she  wanted .there r many instances where she din't do wat she  wanted she mite'd did/ does sumthing on her own but not always like A.
here i can't compare her wid A.

4 me JaGan luv track & tis track is superfiically same .only thing similar is mother's fears.

and btw my name is not Jia😊
Posted: 8 years ago
Ganga's fears regarding Mannu nobody is questioning them since as a mother she is bound to feel worried 
Well keeping the truth hidden from  Mannu whether it is  right way to protect Mannu or not is also not a question to debate since hiding the truth does not make them immune to that truth.

A truth hidden will always find a way to come out.

Her approach to her problems regarding Mannu that are being questioned.

Neither Sumi was wrong back then nor is Ganga wrong if she wants to protect her son from Mannu and Pooja .
It is only her methods that are being questioned now.

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If Shivam doesn't know that he has a twin sister that is wrong as well. 

Both Mannu and Shivam may be too young to understand the situations but parents should give them minimum details which could be understood at that age
Mannu need not be told all the gory details of his mother's life with his birth father he just needs to know that his mother had been married before but the amrriage didn't work out so they sepertaed.
Just like Shivam needs to know that he had twin sister who has been kidnapped.

What Anandi did or didn't do in her life should not be an excuse for Ganga to do what she should shouldn't do in her life.After all didn't she doesn't like to be compared then why is she comparing even to score point with her husband? Did she like it when her husband used Anandi to score a point in his argument?
Who is bringing in Anandi into their lives? Is Anandi bringing herself or they are bringing her into their lives?

Anandi as a part of her promise did try to make Ganga see her point when she failed she left it at that so where is the question of Anandi interfering?
Had Anandi been interfering in their matters Mannu would have gotten to know about his father long time back Abhi would have gotten a lecture along with Shivam  from Anandi everytime he went into a sulk after Shivam rubbed him in the wrong way.
But all these things didn't happen

It is Ganga who has been inconsistent in her behaviour  she welcomed the comparisons with Anandi when it suited her she welcomed her inputs in her affairs when it benefitted from her.Why did she not tell BH people not to compare her chai with Anandi's chai when it was clear that she didn't like being compared?
it is also possible that she had no problem with Anandi staying in BH and helping her take care of her own kids while she was away doing Medicine and then specialisation  because it was great to have a support system.
If Anandi stayed in BH because of the support that she needed it was also very much possible that Ganga also needed help of an extra hand.

Anandi from what is shown so far has been wanting to go away and it is only her weakness towards Dsa that prevented from leaving and it was clear that Anandi didn't want to be get more importance than Ganga has been getting from Dsa and J which she never wanted in the first place.

Posted: 8 years ago
Originally posted by tiny15


@esha 

and btw my name is not Jia😊
So Sorry for the name confusion... apologies πŸ˜Š
Posted: 8 years ago
Originally posted by Missesha


So Sorry for the name confusion... apologies πŸ˜Š
no need  2 apologise. it happens.😊

i was just confused wen i saw ur post Jia's name after that i realized itπŸ˜†
Posted: 8 years ago
Originally posted by Missesha


I am not questioning CVs but just stating that CVs take extreme approach to all their situations i.e twist story to make one look completely bad and one completely helpless, when there a more subtle ways to handle the same situation and not make either characters look out of place.

Coming to the current situation of Anandi's promise, people have defended Anandi saying that she has a habit of behaving in an implulse fashion, whenever she sees someone suffering. And whenever her impulsive decision has backfired, she is the one who has lost the most. This is a fact and I agree to that. But my question (to the show-makers through their characterisation is) 'Should a character not grow?' Couldn't a situation be shown in a more subtle fashion instead of mere black and white?

How about? (hypothetically)

After bumping into Ratan Singh, if Anandi chooses to tell him that she will discuss the matter (without making any promise) with JaGan;  goes home,  passes the message, discusses the matter, puts forwards her points and allows JaGan their time to come a conclusion on Ratan -mannu reality. 

Wouldn't it have been a more meaningful scenario to watch? Same situation, but more subtle and closer to reality.

But No, CVs made A to make a promise in an impulsive. Such acts always and ever, makes Anandi appear as naive and foolish. After 20+ years of experience in social service, is Anandi still that naive? 

On the other hand, is Ganga indeed so selfish? They could have left her character grey (that of an insecured mother) and given her more subtle dialogues than making her appear pure selfish and dominating in this matter? 

Situations are always extreme in BV. I was not taking about this case in particular but so many cases, be is SaJa, or A forcing J to marry 3rd time, or A vs DB drug story, Anup-Alok, Shiv's death, and most ridiculous one was the way A lost Nandini and the way she landed in BH forever. Plus many more.

All these situations are too hard and extreme to believe or appreciate, even though the concept of that story may be nice.


Helping other people -regardless of what state she is in and how miserable her life or how happy and  content she is  -  Anandi did always reach out to people.
Yes she doesn't think what problems that her helping nature will land her in - is it because she is stupid or is it because she doesn't think about herself?

What exactly did she see in Ratan ? A frail dying man who is full of regrets and just wanting to see that if one act of goodness from his side has yielded any good results so that he can die in peace.
Wanting to help a person in that state is it something wrong? No
Promising that man - is it wrong in principle?No.
What had been wrong was that she did not talk to Jagya and Ganga which everyone agrees that she had been wrong there.
Does wanting to help a man in that condition amounts interfering in Ganag and Jagya's life?

In fact she didn't put Jagya and Ganga in trouble but she only landed herself in trouble and she will feel a bit bad if she has not been able to fulfill the promise inspite of trying her best and there ends the matter for her.

Knowing Anandi she may not have approved of Ganga's decision about not wanting to reveal about Ratan to Mannu. But did she interfere in all these years in that issue just because she felt it is right and Ganga was doing wrong? No
So how does the act of promising Ratan become an interfering act?
It is foolishness on her part at the most and not an interfering act.

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Don't know whether they have been twisted so out of shape in this particular case.
Ganga is someone who is into self preservation at any cost. That is what is coming across here.
She looks after her own interests and that was from the begining and she doesn't care where the help comes from and what that person has to pay in order to help her.
Well Anandi when it comes to wanting help and she first decides on helping and then thinks about the ways she can help most of the times she succeeds and sometimes they back fire even when they backfire she make sure that it is she who ends up paying price and not anyone else one misjudgement on her part filled her life with misery tomorrow her daughter may overlook her mistake but will she over look?Anandi has a habit of losing her head when it comes to the safety of her loved ones or in her fear of being seperated from her loved ones as in case of Palash track or during Nandini's kidnap That was her character trait she fears for her loved ones much more than she fears for herself and that is what has been used in Nandini's kidnap track


Posted: 8 years ago
Originally posted by Missesha



I am not questioning CVs but just stating that CVs take extreme approach to all their situations i.e twist story to make one look completely bad and one completely helpless, when there a more subtle ways to handle the same situation and not make either characters look out of place.

Coming to the current situation of Anandi's promise, people have defended Anandi saying that she has a habit of behaving in an implulse fashion, whenever she sees someone suffering. And whenever her impulsive decision has backfired, she is the one who has lost the most. This is a fact and I agree to that. But my question (to the show-makers through their characterisation is) 'Should a character not grow?' Couldn't a situation be shown in a more subtle fashion instead of mere black and white?

How about? (hypothetically)

After bumping into Ratan Singh, if Anandi chooses to tell him that she will discuss the matter (without making any promise) with JaGan;  goes home,  passes the message, discusses the matter, puts forwards her points and allows JaGan their time to come a conclusion on Ratan -mannu reality. 

Wouldn't it have been a more meaningful scenario to watch? Same situation, but more subtle and closer to reality.

But No, CVs made A to make a promise in an impulsive. Such acts always and ever, makes Anandi appear as naive and foolish. After 20+ years of experience in social service, is Anandi still that naive? 

On the other hand, is Ganga indeed so selfish? They could have left her character grey (that of an insecured mother) and given her more subtle dialogues than making her appear pure selfish and dominating in this matter? 

Situations are always extreme in BV. I was not taking about this case in particular but so many cases, be is SaJa, or A forcing J to marry 3rd time, or A vs DB drug story, Anup-Alok, Shiv's death, and most ridiculous one was the way A lost Nandini and the way she landed in BH forever. Plus many more.

All these situations are too hard and extreme to believe or appreciate, even though the concept of that story may be nice.


@ Blue this was what she did finally and Anandi knew this was the only thing she can do after reaching BH. There was no need to make that promise to Ratan when she knew her limits.


Edited by Stalwart. - 8 years ago
Posted: 8 years ago
Originally posted by aparnauma



Helping other people -regardless of what state she is in and how miserable her life or how happy and  content she is  -  Anandi did always reach out to people.
Yes she doesn't think what problems that her helping nature will land her in - is it because she is stupid or is it because she doesn't think about herself?



Ummm... if we are talking of only Anandi, then she is one character who NEVER thinks. Either she acts out of impulsiveness or sits on some important information leading to a serious damage (mostly beyond repair).

But I am not talking about just Anandi here or just this Anandi- Ratan promise situation. I am talking about how CVs only show extremes in every situation, when most of these situations are quite controllable or have simpler solutions. Not just Anandi or Ganga, but to show a high-voltage drama, suddenly either characters appear as emotional fools or those who have lost their thinking capacity, or otherwise characters become selfish and insensitive.

I have never been convinced on the below situations and many others:

- How Shiv managed to get fooled by Rasika and how Rasika managed to come across so bold?
- Why Shekhars agreed to marry their daughter to a two-timed divorcee and an ex of their current DIL
- Why Singhs simply bowed down to SaJa alliance, without assessing its compatibility  or awkwardness
- Why Anandi chose not to expose DB after the drug drama
- Why she did not think of leaving her sick daughter at home instead of taking her along to save Pooja's wedding. 


My point through the above questions is that, to create a traumatizing situation or an action-packed drama, CVs leave obvious loop-holes, which makes it hard to accept the situation or feel sympathetic towards any character.
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In this particular situation, there was no need for an uninvited drama of Anandi promising something that's actually not her call and Ganga getting all hyper about it. The same situation of Ratan requesting to meet Mannu could have been handled more subtly. The focus of drama in this situation (Ratan-mannu) is not between ganga and anandi, rather it is Ganga against Ganga. 

As for Ganga's character, I have found her to be opportunist during her initial phase with Singhs, but then I would also give her the credit of putting with her husband's ex in the same roof for 11 years, and can understand her current outburst wrt Anandi. 


Edited by Missesha - 8 years ago
Posted: 8 years ago
Originally posted by Missesha


In BV history, the story is always twisted to make one person look outright villian and the other person as 'the bechara/ bechari' suffering all the emotional atyachar.
There are two situations here:

 Anandi should not have made any promise to Ratan singh, as it was not her call to do so. She is wrong here. Both DS and J should have pointed that out to her. Anandi should have accepted her mistake and left it at that.

On the other hand, J and DS should have stepped up and told Ganga, that regardless of Anandi's promise or not, the underlying question is "doesn't Ratan Singh have a right to see his Son, and doesn't Mannu have a right to know about his biological parents?"They should have slowly drilled sense in Ganga, and got her to agree. But here both J and Dsa have taken a back seat. 

And now finally, Anandi decides to make it a mission to convince Ganga? Why? Why can't she leave Ganga alone? Why interfere in Ganga's life, just because she made a promise to a dying man and now wants to fulfill it at any cost? 

Why can't she just realise her folly, and leave things to JaGan? 

On one hand Anandi doesn't want to realise her folly, and on other hand she wants to make sure that she remains in good books of Ganga. 

So yeah, BV always have twisted ways of making one person look selfish and other one as 'bechara'. In this case Anandi is the trouble causer but will be seen as the poor soul and Ganga who is fairly wrong will be completely painted black.

In a way, it is good that Ganga is getting to taste her own medicine, when she was trying to play the 'poor soul' during Jagya-Ganga-Sumitra fiasco. Ganga may now realise how a mother feels, when someone unnecessarily takes control of their child / son. Back then Ganga was the trouble causer but Sumitra was painted black. 




Esha,  Anandi did exactly what you wrote she should do.

She saw a terminally ill person , made a promise. She herself realised the mistake in making the promise before consulting Jagan and let it there. She has not forced them or advise them to do anything.

After that she has not tried to convince anyone. She went to Ganga and apologised as though she knows making a promise to fulfil the desire of a dying man is right but she made a mistake for not consulting them. And she dont want that this should effect their bond so she came to her for forgiveness. 

Not for a once she act bechara, she clearly said she dont think making promise to a dying man was not her mistake.but what she thinks right  may not be right for others. So her mistake is she has not consulted Jagya Ganga

and I completely agree what you wrote abot  Ganga
Edited by hisusmita - 8 years ago
Posted: 8 years ago
Originally posted by RTee


In yesterday's episode Anandi apologised to Ganga in person at the hospital. She was quite resigned about it.

Today, Ganga gloated about it to Jagya. Telling him that Anandi apologised because she knew she had done something wrong.

Jagya was astounded or even shocked that Anandi apologised. He enquired twice or thrice. Still could not believe it.

Jagya knows his childhood friend like the back of his hand, and he sensed something very wrong in this whole scenario. It is going to blow up around Ganga.

@bold - what a lie it was and it was told when jagya was supporting anandi, with an aim to turn him against anandi and to prove herself right. What a cheap tactic.

Jagya did not believe her because he knows anandi. Moreover, anandi had herself said that she does not  think she made any mistake by promising ratan. Why would she go to ganga and apologise ?

I am just waiting to see how he is going to react when he comes to know anandi is leaving BH and waiting for ganga to get a blast of her life.




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