One apology, different reactions - Page 5

Posted: 8 years ago
Jagya knows that Anandi will not apologise for being wrong in promising a terminally ill man his dearest wish.

Because he knows Anandi acts instinctively and does what is eventually right even if everybody opposes her.

Unfortunately, because of the strong bonds of friendship from childhood, Jagya does know Anandi and vice versa.

So there was something in Anandi's apology to Ganga that sounded strange to Jagya. 

Will have to wait and watch what it was.
Posted: 8 years ago
Anandi apologised for putting Jagya and Ganga in dilemma about Mannu and Ratan meet not because she thought making a promise to a dying man is wrong.
Ganga thought Anandi was apologising for promising Ratan 

Jagya knew that Anandi would have never apologised for promising Ratan.

That's he reason he looked so sceptical when Ganga told him abt apology.

Whether we like it or not Jagya and Anandi know how each other's minds function very well.

Ganga knows it too and that exactly is the reason for resentment towards Anandi.
Posted: 8 years ago
Originally posted by AdorableAnusha


Lol i simply cannot understand  people 's amazing comparisons they are telling Anandi brought mannu to Ganga  from Ratan  Now she wants to help Ratan so she wants to take Mannu to him and Ganga should have no objections Wow Is Mannu Anandi's private property ?
Ganga never asked her to help her She brought Mannu to him on her own 

Now if wants to take Mannu to same man should not she have asked Ganga before ?or Mannu is personal property she can take him to Ratan without asking Ganga even for once?


if anandi brought mannu2 ganga then does it mean Aji has more rites on him than her bio mother or his foster father who r doing all 4 their son??😕
if 2marrow ganga brings nandini back 2 Aji then ganga'd all rites on nandini & she can tell her anything abt her family or how she got kidnapped widout consulting AJI & Aji shudn't'd any objections on it.

and J was srprsd bcoz he knew Aji thinks that shes  rite so why Aji who never apologised 4 being rite(in her view)  apologised 2 ganga but poor ganga MU Aji thinking she  was genuinely feeling sorry  4 interfering.but ganga din't know that Aji not cum 4 apology 4 interfering but she came 2 start convincing ganga  mission so that she can fulfill her promise but ganga cut short her thinking Aji really meant this apologise.
ganga doens't know how manipulative Aji is. she also thinks her as sum goody 2 shoes who cna't manipulate any1.
Posted: 8 years ago
Did Anandi force Ganga to reveal to Mannu about his parentage at any given time?
Every one seems to be aware of Ganga's reluctance to reveal this to Mannu.

All Anandi did was making a promise to a dying man and after making the promise she herself realised that she has no means to fulfill her promise . Had she been interfering in their affairs

She apologised for not talking with them . Hai she been interfering she would have persuaded them to do what she wanted . She's didn't do it because she knew her limits.

She has not forced them . She just told them.

Neither Ganga nor Jagya are obliged to help her fulfil the promise she made to Ratan . 

She tried because after making that promise she should try to fulfill it but when she realised it is becoming impossible she dropped it . Where is the question of interference?




Posted: 8 years ago
if she  din't force then why shes thinking so narrow abt ganga that ganga hates her  wen ganga only questioned  abt Ajis' rite 2 interfere in their prsnl matters.
and all did Aji make promise 2 a dying man!!😲and its not creating probs 4 JaGan.😲why did she give such promise  widout consulting JaGan.
why cudn't she promised that she will talk  2JaGan & rest is in their hands.

if Ajis is not persuading then why she thot that how will i fulfill my promise wen Aji went 2 hospi 2 do that apology drama 2 ganga??it was  clear she  din't only go there 2 apologise but 2 make ganga agree 2 meet mannu 2 ratan.

i don't think she still has dropped the idea. shes still thinking that how 2 make ganga agree.its only that now she  saw ganga not agreeing 2 it & strict abt it shes leaving BH but not dropping the idea.
Posted: 8 years ago
In BV history, the story is always twisted to make one person look outright villian and the other person as 'the bechara/ bechari' suffering all the emotional atyachar.
There are two situations here:

 Anandi should not have made any promise to Ratan singh, as it was not her call to do so. She is wrong here. Both DS and J should have pointed that out to her. Anandi should have accepted her mistake and left it at that.

On the other hand, J and DS should have stepped up and told Ganga, that regardless of Anandi's promise or not, the underlying question is "doesn't Ratan Singh have a right to see his Son, and doesn't Mannu have a right to know about his biological parents?"They should have slowly drilled sense in Ganga, and got her to agree. But here both J and Dsa have taken a back seat. 

And now finally, Anandi decides to make it a mission to convince Ganga? Why? Why can't she leave Ganga alone? Why interfere in Ganga's life, just because she made a promise to a dying man and now wants to fulfill it at any cost? 

Why can't she just realise her folly, and leave things to JaGan? 

On one hand Anandi doesn't want to realise her folly, and on other hand she wants to make sure that she remains in good books of Ganga. 

So yeah, BV always have twisted ways of making one person look selfish and other one as 'bechara'. In this case Anandi is the trouble causer but will be seen as the poor soul and Ganga who is fairly wrong will be completely painted black.

In a way, it is good that Ganga is getting to taste her own medicine, when she was trying to play the 'poor soul' during Jagya-Ganga-Sumitra fiasco. Ganga may now realise how a mother feels, when someone unnecessarily takes control of their child / son. Back then Ganga was the trouble causer but Sumitra was painted black. 


Posted: 8 years ago
Originally posted by Missesha


In BV history, the story is always twisted to make one person look outright villian and the other person as 'the bechara/ bechari' suffering all the emotional atyachar.
There are two situations here:

 Anandi should not have made any promise to Ratan singh, as it was not her call to do so. She is wrong here. Both DS and J should have pointed that out to her. Anandi should have accepted her mistake and left it at that.

On the other hand, J and DS should have stepped up and told Ganga, that regardless of Anandi's promise or not, the underlying question is "doesn't Ratan Singh have a right to see his Son, and doesn't Mannu have a right to know about his biological parents?"They should have slowly drilled sense in Ganga, and got her to agree. But here both J and Dsa have taken a back seat. 

And now finally, Anandi decides to make it a mission to convince Ganga? Why? Why can't she leave Ganga alone? Why interfere in Ganga's life, just because she made a promise to a dying man and now wants to fulfill it at any cost? 

Why can't she just realise her folly, and leave things to JaGan? 

On one hand Anandi doesn't want to realise her folly, and on other hand she wants to make sure that she remains in good books of Ganga. 

So yeah, BV always have twisted ways of making one person look selfish and other one as 'bechara'. In this case Anandi is the trouble causer but will be seen as the poor soul and Ganga who is fairly wrong will be completely painted black.

In a way, it is good that Ganga is getting to taste her own medicine, when she was trying to play the 'poor soul' during Jagya-Ganga-Sumitra fiasco. Ganga may now realise how a mother feels, when someone unnecessarily takes control of their child / son. Back then Ganga was the trouble causer but Sumitra was painted black. 


esha tho i a gree wid u but not on last para. bcoz its not true.
ganga is not getting 2 taste her own med. she was nowhere tried 2 "poor soul" during that JaGan luv track.she never blamed sumi that she has  so much hatred 4 her like A did.rather she blamed herself 2 cause rift btn J & his family & even asked him 2 leave her even tho both'd got mrd. sh e even said she won't complain abt it

and ganga always knew that how  a mother feels . she never interfered in J's life nor she took control of J's life like A did now.
J always did wat singhs wanted  except that helping ganga also.which all agreed except sumi.
rather she  always asked J 2 listen 2 his family & leave her alone. she knows how  a mother feels back then & now also.

so how can it b said that ganga took control of J's life & sumi din't've.
those condns & situns were difft. we can't compare apples & oranges.
and yes i"ll say they painted sumi black but ganga was not prob causer .they only needed sum1 create drama & moreover sumi's desire 2 hav a virgin DIL made her hyper.

Posted: 8 years ago

Anandi Shouldnt have promised to Ratan without consulting anyone...She  made a mistake...DS-G pointed it out. She accepted the mistake, cleared her situation in both A-JG-DS scene & A-DS-J scene where J put forth his unabilities to convince Ganga since 5 long years even if he also wish Mannu to know the truth... .while DS is the real person who has taken a back-seat in this matter.
After that Anandi understood Ganga's clear stand on this & apologised to her as well ...finishing the matter right there instead of  stretching the things so as Ganga Said the matter will not be broached again as she will never agree to it. After the J-DS-A scene, Anandi never once tried to raise this topic or to persuade JG-DS. 
And if People want to think that Anandi had gone for a apology session just to start a coaxing session further...then its wierd for Anandi to even think that a woman whose husband has failed to convince her since as long as 5 years , will get convinced by her speeach/reasoning in 5 minutes that too when the two ladies are just on cordial terms with eachother.🤪
After saying "Sorry" to Ganga ...she has closed the topic from her side or rather she had left everything upto JG ...Whereas Anandi herself is shown worried only about what to say to RS-Bimla.

The question of remaining in Ganga's good books...i hope not thats the case...but definitely she doesnt want to be in a tensed equation of Ganga...so she has again started accusing herself for Ganga's "changed" behavior and thus shifting to SN. 

Still Anandi is always the same...interfering in BH matters...she used to interfere in-person when she was residing in BH pre her 2nd marriage , through phone-calls, visits after her 2nd marriage and again in-person when she is back in BH as a widow with kids...She is the same "interfering" Anandi.
And even now BH's "older-original" members seems to have no issues with her interference & are understanding towards her ...its only the "newer" ones who are complaing & questioning who themselves have made their place in BH by welcoming & providing all sorts of interference...just because the utility of a certain person  is finished for them.
Posted: 8 years ago
Anandi made a promise to a dying man for that she does not owe any apology to anyone except the dying man himself in case she is not able to fulfill his wishes.

The second thing here Anandi did admit that she made the promise without consulting them. She did admit to that but not for making the promise to Ratan.

For her when she made the promise he was no different from Suhasini or Jyothi or so many other people who asked her help or who didn't ask for her help.She saw someone in misery she reached out to that person for that She does not owe any apology to any one for that except to the person himself in case she failed to fulfil her promise or making a promise that she couldn't keep.

Neither Ganga nor Jagya are obliged to help Anandi fulfil that promise.Nor did she force them.

She did say sorry that SHE HAD NOT ASKED THEM before she made that promise which indeed is her fault 

Yes she apologised to Ganga in case she caused her trouble.When Ganga didn't change her mind about Mannu she left it at that.

What will Anandi do ? At the most she will feel a bit bad that she couldn't be of help to some one and she can very well live with that failure.She tried and she didn't succeed and there ends the matter for her.

So where is the question of any intereference?

The problem came up only because Ganga for reasons best known to her went back on the promise that she herself gave to Ratan.
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As for making someone bad or killing off someone and making someone look foolish or making some people unreasonable - all these things are part of story telling.
Today they made Ganga look bad because it suited them sometime back they made Anandi run like a scared cat inorder to get her child kidnapped because it suited their story and worst of all they killed off Shiv just because it suited the story they wanted to tell.

If Ganga is made to look bad it is because of CVs and if Anandi's life was full of bliss or filled with endless sorrow it is CVs doing.

Well there was an interview from the writer Purnendu Shekhar himself that Anandi will never turn grey or negative it will be other characters which will be twisted to suit their story and if they can't twist the character to make a  story for that character they will bump off the character too.
It is their business.
Posted: 8 years ago
@ Jia, The situations are quite similar.
Sumitra did not want a DIL like Ganga, because she feared that alliance with Ganga, will invite troubles through Ratan Singh (Ganga's past) and besides that she wished for a virgin, educated  and smart DIL like Saanchi.

Underlying concept: A mother's fear and her wish to see her son having a secured future 

Similarly, Ganga fears to give away Mannu to Ratan Singh because of Ratan's history

Underlying concept: A mother's fear  (insecurity) and her wish to see her son having a secured future with a father like J, instead of a father like Ratan.

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Why was Sumi upset? 
When she raised her worries regarding Ganga and her association with RS, Bhairon and Jagya brushed off her worries instead of addressing her gently. To add fuel, when Ganga chose to leave BH (after the haveli burn fiasco), she left an emotional letter to J, making it sound like she is forced to leave the haveli. And worse even, J and Bhairon blamed Sumi for Ganga leaving the haveli. 

Why is Ganga upset? 
She has her own fears about not letting Mannu know about his real identity but instead of calming her fears down and addressing her emotions, J is silently supporting Anandi's actions and thought processes which is outraging Ganga. And this is natural.

Just as Sumi was feeling outraged and left out back then, Ganga is feeling it this time. 

Ganga vs Anandi: 

The only difference is that Ganga was an opportunist back then and took every available opportunity to stay close to Singhs and Jagya, until she eventually became BH's bahu,

While Anandi is interfering in JaGan's life, and may continue to do so till Ganga agrees to make Mannu meet Ratan.

Back then Ganga pretended that she is sorry for hurting Singhs by marrying Jagya (that it was not within her control to stop J from marrying her). But reality is that she very much wanted that marriage and that's why did not wait to take everyone's consent. Hence she played ' poor soul'

Similarly Anandi is now pretending to be sorry for hurting Ganga (i.e. that she was facing such a situation that she had to make a promise to Ratan Singh). But in reality Anandi very much wants Mannu to meet Ratan and that's why she also did not wait to take JaGan's consent. Hence playing a 'poor soul'

Both Ganga and Anandi always do what they want and then they act like nothing was in their control. 

Edited by Missesha - 8 years ago

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