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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 10:19pm | IP Logged
What she was doing wasn't "free speech", it was "hate speech. This event was about hate & to incite violence. I'm happy to see all the backlash she is receiving now. She deserves it. The people of Garland were saying that next time if Pamela & her followers wants to exercise their free speech by desecrating someone else's religion, please do it at their house & advertise the address. LOL

Charlie Hebdo team response.. 
"The difference between us and these people is that these people are organizing contests, anti-Islamist contests," he continued. "It's an obsession ... We are not obsessed. We are just obsessed by the news, and by how the world is going on. The difference with Pamela Geller, she is obsessed by Islam. She waits every morning and thinks, What can I do today to defy these people?" 

There is absolutely no comparison," said Jean-Baptiste Thoret, the magazine's film critic who avoided the January attack. 
"You have a, as you said, a sort of anti-Islamic movement [in Texas] ... the problem of Charlie Hebdo is absolutely not the same," Thoret told American public broadcaster PBS. 
"We don't organize contests. We just do our work. We comment on the news. When Mohammed jumps out of the news, we draw Mohammed," added Charlie Hebdo's chief editor Gerard Biard. 
"But if he didn't, we didn't. We don't... We fight racism. And we have nothing to do with these people." Big smile

A guy from Charlie Hebdo drew anti-semitic stuff & got arrested & even taken to court, but when they draw Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, it becomes comedy & free speech. Comedian Dieudonne have been arrested few times for anti-semitic. If people insist of being disrespectful c*nts in the name of free speech, then insult everyone rather than being scared of drawing Jews or don't insult anybody at all.

Funny that there many people out there who are actually sticking up for Charlie Hebdo/Pamela for their right to disrespect anybody they wish (except Jews) & then glorifying them for standing up for free speech (which they didn't even do). Worst, they even disrespected my Muslim brother (Ahmed) who gave up his life to protect clowns out there who want to mock other people's (including his own) beliefs.

Honestly, I don't understand what is the obsession with Muhammad? How about drawing North Korea leader pissing himself or make cartoon of Putin f**king a goat.. Or you can draw Boko Haram, even they need some entertainment & something to laugh at.. 

Next you know these people will say even bullying & teasing needs to tolerated & unpunished, in light of freedom of speech.

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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 10:25pm | IP Logged
Once again, in the USA which is where the contest happened, you can mock any person and any belief and that includes the Jews. It is in extremely bad taste, but it is freedom of speech. 

Hate speech is also speech. She did not ask people to cause physical harm to people or property and therefore the contest is not considered an exhortation to commit violence. If people opposing her contest commit violence, it is not considered a crime on HER part.

As long as it remains SPEECH, she is free to do it, according to the laws of the land.

I do not condone tasteless behavior but she is free to be as crass as she wants to be


Edited by AnuMP - 08 May 2015 at 10:32pm
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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 10:56pm | IP Logged
You are not allowed to mock Jew even in USA Tongue  Read about Professor Steven Salaita. 
New York Times do post anti-Semitic stuff but only to highlight how we need to condemn bigotry. People like Bill Meher, Sam Harris, & other anti-Islamic obsessive, mocking Jew, Judaism or Israel is something they will rarely (if ever) do.

"When we originally discussed publishing this article to make these points, our intention was to commission two or three cartoonists to create cartoons that mock Judaism and malign sacred figures to Jews the way Charlie Hebdo did to Muslims. But that idea was thwarted by the fact that no mainstream western cartoonist would dare put their name on an anti-Jewish cartoon, even if done for satire purposes, because doing so would instantly and permanently destroy their career, at least" - 

Constitution gives citizen the right to speak about government but there is nothing in the Constitution that gives anyone the right to say whatever they want about anything they want to anyone they want.


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Posted: 09 May 2015 at 12:23am | IP Logged
Oh yes, you are allowed to mock Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, whoever you want to. It is not against the law.

The NY Times is a newspaper an can have it own policies apart from the government

And the US constitution does guarantee that right. But the recipient of the insult may challenge you in a court of law. The government will have no right to go after you. Even for a private individual to go after you, he will need to prove 5 things - 

  1. Actionable words, such as those imputing the injured party: is guilty of some offense, suffers from a contagious disease or psychological disorder, is unfit for public office because of moral failings or an inability to discharge his or her duties, or lacks integrity in profession, trade or business;
  2. That the charge must be false;
  3. That the charge must be articulated to a third person, verbally or in writing;
  4. That the words are not subject to legal protection, such as those uttered in Congress; and
  5. That the charge must be motivated by malice.


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Posted: 09 May 2015 at 1:14pm | IP Logged
Wahabbi sponsored Salafi terrorists give all Muslims a bad name. ISIS was created by them and now they have mounted an open attack on Yemen. 
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Posted: 10 May 2015 at 6:57am | IP Logged
I categorise muslims of various nations into the following based on my experience:
irani/ turkish muslims : liberal
indian/Bangladeshi/ african muslims: moderate
arabs(especially saudi) /pakistan : orthodox/fanatic.

all the wahabism or the fanaticism or the terrorist activities among muslims is funded by the saudis and carried on by the pakistanis mainly.

i don't know how many of you watch pak media debate on kashmir, instead of talking about how india controls kashmir, they end up stating how HINDU INDIA, hindu brahmins are torturing MUSLIM kashmiris, they try to give it a religious angle and paint entire india a country oppressing muslims and how muslims need to get rid of it by bleeding hindu india with thousand cuts.


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Posted: 10 May 2015 at 11:22am | IP Logged
Deliberately provoking a section of population can be deemed unnecessary however  getting violent as a response is totally unacceptable. Besides,  is there any reason other than "because the scriptures say so"   to not draw cartoons? As long as they are not derogatory it should not be perceived as offensive to the followers. Surely they dont expect the whole world to practice aniconism!  Aniconism is a mild term, what we see is  more of an iconoclastic agenda!  
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Posted: 10 May 2015 at 1:35pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by indianprincess

I categorise muslims of various nations into the following based on my experience:
irani/ turkish muslims : liberal
indian/Bangladeshi/ african muslims: moderate
arabs(especially saudi) /pakistan : orthodox/fanatic.

all the wahabism or the fanaticism or the terrorist activities among muslims is funded by the saudis and carried on by the pakistanis mainly.

i don't know how many of you watch pak media debate on kashmir, instead of talking about how india controls kashmir, they end up stating how HINDU INDIA, hindu brahmins are torturing MUSLIM kashmiris, they try to give it a religious angle and paint entire india a country oppressing muslims and how muslims need to get rid of it by bleeding hindu india with thousand cuts.



Well Pakistan and Saudis/GCC do go back a long way. Remember BCCI bank.

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