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AnuMP IF-Rockerz

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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 1:12pm | IP Logged
Thankfully for me, I don't live in Europe.LOL 
Plus, I think it's Holocaust denial that's a crime. That says more about their own guilty consciences IMO.

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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 1:44pm | IP Logged
Haha. Try the ADL in the US.
AnuMP IF-Rockerz

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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 1:49pm | IP Logged
Nope. Not the government. A private entity. 
Its not a crime in the US to deny the Holocaust or criticize any group,  though there are some who would like it to be.

Edited by AnuMP - 07 May 2015 at 1:51pm
Arwen. IF-Sizzlerz

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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 12:20am | IP Logged
I'm not a religious person at all... I hardly pray... I don't observe purdah... I would like to see some of these fundamentalist evangelists face the brunt of their hate speech... But damn man... If something is held sacred by more than a billion people,is it too much to ask for a modicum of consideration...
Many of these people won't get away with saying racist things against blacks or Asians... Woe betide you if you are anti gay and express this feeling... Oh god.. How dare you say the Holocaust never occurred... Don't like Israeli tactics.. ANTI-SEMITE!!!!
Draw Mohammad cartoons... Freedom of speech!

I'm not defending the violent retaliation... Far from it...and Muslims definitely need to be smarter about how they go about dealing with this And not reinforce stereotypes...  if someone goes violent in their protest, condem it.. Say that(and mean it) s/he needs to be tried to the full extant of the law...

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..FallAndFly.. IF-Rockerz

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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 3:34am | IP Logged
They will never understand how much we love our Beloved Muhammad(PBUH)
Yes,I'm a Proud Muslim but I'm against the Idea of Killing people rather than having a Serious talk about.

But that doesn't make what people are doing now right in any way...they will never Understand the Amount of Respect Muhammad [PBUH]Deserves From Us Cry

To punish the People Who has zero amount of tolerence and is filled with Insane are punishing the Man who condemned it all along

Two wrongs never make one Right.
AnuMP IF-Rockerz

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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 9:20am | IP Logged
This was in the US. There are no laws here banning insults to any person, organization, religion or religious figures. There are no laws against even racist or sexist speech. The GOVERNMENT cannot do anything about it. Private organizations may choose to fire you for it and you may be socially ostracized but you cannot be brought before a court of law. Prejudiced action on the other hand, as an employee of the government (and if your prejudiced speech is in your capacity as a representative of the government), IS punishable, but is not a criminal offense.

I am only saying you simply cannot legislate good taste. I wouldn't intentionally offend people. But that doesn't mean that if anyone SAYS offensive things, he has to be criminalized. It is about freedom of speech.

Edited by AnuMP - 08 May 2015 at 10:17am
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Rehanism IF-Dazzler

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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 10:09pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by K.Universe.

Laws are what keep the people in check. It doesn't matter how liberal I am or how progressive I am, if I live in Saudi, I still have to abide by their rules or risk getting stoned. So, to reiterate my point, laws need to change for a country to become a progressive nation. And that can only happen if people of that country take it upon themselves to effect that change (either by a rebellion and/or with the help of powerful allies)

Coming back to the debate, can you prove that these cartoon drawing contests have any tangible value? Simple question. Unless you are a world renowned psychologist, please don't answer in terms of what wonders these contests do to the psyche of a population.

Not really. Mindset is crucial. The reason why Muslim countries continue to have rigid religion driven laws is because Muslims in general, by and large, are quite a bit serious about the immutability of their religious codes in a way Christians or Jews or Hindus are not. Millions of Hindus are poor, illiterate, orthodox and superstitious - but how many of them are extremely serious about bringing back shastric laws? Not many. Perhaps that's why even the right wing hindu fundamentalists had to drop their lobby for shastric laws and settle for demanding uniform civil code in the 50s itself. Same is true for Christians. There's hardly a debate in any other community whether there's a need to revert to scripture for laws. So its obvious that unless there's a change in mindset among Muslims on that front nothing else would work.

And in any case, I think my point was pretty simple - when heterodoxy becomes a regular sight, the sense of outrage gradually simmers down and you learn to live with it or ignore it instead of getting violent. I don't have to be a world renowned anything to understand that. Its a matter of common sense.

Secondly the hypocrisy blame is absurd. You people are comparing apples and oranges. Holocaust was a crime against humanity. More than sentiments were hurt. It was a targeted genocide to wipe out an entire creed. Making fun of deaths of such magnitude is certainly abhorrent. Likewise it would be despicable to slight the seriousness of pogroms against Muslims in 2002 or Sikhs in 1984. Similarly racism and apartheid are hate crimes against people - not ideas and symbols. Is there any restriction on lampooning Jesus or Moses? If not where's the hypocrisy? Compare blasphemy with blasphemy not genocide or racism.

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