Posted: 05 May 2015 at 7:13pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by K.Universe.
Originally posted by 9tanki
Whats wrong in making cartoon of Muhammad? Cartoonist make fun of everyone don't they ? It gives nobody right to kill someone just because they drew picture of Muhammad. We see everyday one thing could be religious for one group but the other group insult it, thats the new reality. It doesnt mean people can come out with guns and start defending their religious belief on others.
Let's get the obvious stuff out of the way. Yes, killing in the name of religion is bad. Yes, nobody has a right to kill regardless of the provocation. Yes, just because people are offended, doesn't mean they should start a holy war.
I don't see a need to debate the above paragraph.
What is unconscionable, in my opinion, is the deliberateness of the act. They know
that a large number of groups across the world would consider this act blasphemous. They know
that a large number of groups across the world will be infuriated by this act. They know
they would be hurting the religious sentiments of a large number of groups across the world by this act. Still they went ahead and did it. In short, they incited.
Offense, in my opinion, has levels to it. As an example, if Birdie cackles during a serious debate, I get offended. But the level of offense there is not the same as, say, a MF Husain drawing Hindu Goddesses or mother India, naked. On a scale of 1 to 10, if Birdie's cackle is at a 1, then MF Husain's act would be at a 7 or 8 for me.
Now you may question me why I should get offended if someone hurts my "religious sentiments". First of, I am ignostic. I don't have any religious sentiments. But it is the deliberateness with which the other party is trying to incite me, that is maddening me. It is the challenge of the provocateur that is causing the anger. It is the inflammatory action that is ticking me off. In that sense, the agitator has succeeded in agitating me.
If it is just one person like me who is getting agitated then perhaps countries may ignore.
If it is large groups of people who are getting agitated, then that is a potential risk to peace that some of us are not willing to absorb, just so a few troublemakers could have their fill of amusement under the guise of "free speech".
a lot of quacking and still gets you a big duck.
as usual, you were dismissive of the main argument- killing is totally wrong, and it can have no justification, not even the intellectually phony incitement argument you came up with.
basically, these guys have a nervous tic.
If not the cartoons, there'd be something or the other that will get them rampaging. You just need to see the medieval east to understand that.
I think the cartoons might actually serve a purpose. They hold a mirror to these people and might, just might, get them to be ashamed of their medieval mindset. In any case, these guys need to develop a sense of humor. They are too uptight for them own good. So buddy, just chill and get them to chill.
oh by the way, just like it was important to stand up to the nazis no matter what the cost, i think it is important for the world to stand up to these mindless dangerous religious nazis. Just dont ignore them in the belief that they'll let you live and let live because they never do. It would have been a mistake to appease the nazis, and it would be a mistake to bend our principles to appease these guys now...These guys have shown that they can never be in harmony with others.