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Posted: 10 June 2015 at 2:39am | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

Originally posted by ..FallAndFly..

Murders and Rape is as common as Sex all over the World Now.
Just like a Boy of only 17 told me the other day that Doing the Deed and Keeping the Good boy image infront of parents is more easy than i think.
Now,I've been friends with this boy and his Whole group for more than 4yrs.But never wanted to fit in the Group because i detest their Filthy ways of Popularity.
So,they assumed i didn't join them in their Wild Parties was because i was Scared to ruin my 'Good girl Image'...So,what happend to them?
they are,in your words,desensitised
This is what they see all over the TVs,Listen in the Radios,On their Mobiles...hell,even Ads nowadays promotes promiscuous Sex!
Now tell me if you think we should keep quiet about this And let half the world die with STDs!
Because ppl might have been "Desensitised" but Mother Nature is Not.
Likewise,the amount Rape and Murder cases are Rapidly increasing and are all over the News,
Are You Desensitised?Doesn't it Matter to you anymore?NO.It matters and we are still finding ways to stop it,because we know its wrong.
Logically, if 1.7 billion ppl picked up a Gun and started shooting Everyone and Anyone that population the would Decrease to perhaps 4 Billions in about a Month.But we are not doing this are we?Now because Of 7% of Muslims who have now dedicated their life to Terrorism more than Allah,we 93% percentage of Muslims have to keep quiet and Watch you Desensitise us?
7%of Muslims Represents our Religion and not the 93%?
And did you Ever,just once,thought that if Muslims were so strict and Powerful and Dangerous then why is It that Children in Gaza,Syria,palestine and so many other places Have to Beg for Help and just a Piece of Bread and not get anything other than Humiliation?
Where are Al-Qayda,Isis this and that Now?
Aren't they suppose to protect us if they are protecting Islam?
Dont you see the truth?Or have you been desensitised to our Pains?

I refuse to be desensitised by Blind People and Media.
I will Speak when i see something Wrong.
I will Go against Them.
And i will Say 'You're Wrong,You cant make me agree with you'
And i will protest However i can.
I will fight them with Logic and Word,because this is My_Freedom of opinion and Expression and
FREEDOM.OF.SPEECH




Actually,there are studies which show that desensitisation towards violence and sexual crimes is growing amongst the present internet-iPhone generation. Juvenile crime rates are going up several notches in a lot of societies. Its not always on an individual level, but more of a 'collective mindset' phenomenon.
Ummm,it's not just the Internet and Iphone LOL
Just walk the Road and you'll see Like hundreds of Vulgar Posters LOL
Listen to the popular Music and You'll find everything you shouldn't in the name of YOLO LOL

they have prepared many ways to corrupt this world...blaming only the Gadgets and Internet wont help.
My point was,You can't desensitise me or anyone if we don't want it...So,Drawings Cartoons to desensitise anyone wont work.

We will always hate it,and always raise our voice against it.

Edited by ..FallAndFly.. - 10 June 2015 at 3:30am

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Posted: 10 June 2015 at 3:30am | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

Originally posted by Qirat.

Originally posted by krystal_watz

On "change from within":

Taslima Nasreen, Salman Rushdie, Wafa Sultana, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Washiqur Rahman are a few names to mention. What they did, and what was done unto them.


Freedom to criticize is allowed, as long as its with a spirit of seeking the truth & having an honest and respectable dialogue, but people are abusing freedom by inciting hatred through continuous disrespect, provocation,mockery, slander, hate speech, fear-mongering, & outright insults to our beliefs.

Salman Rushdie rushed out of a party with his wife because some reporter made some obscene remark about his wife. If he can't tolerate a remark made to his wife how does he expect us to tolerate such bad remarksabout our Prophet in the name of freedom of speech? Queen of England gave him "knighthood" for dissing Islam & Muslims. He said the hijab "suck" & are "limitation of women".. Well, what's on our head shouldn't beanyone's concern, care what's in it..

Taslima Nasreen - What happened to her has nothing to do with Islam. Instead of hating her relatives that raped her, she started hating Islam & the Prophet. She even said female infanticide in Bangladesh is high due to"Islam"? Quran clearly prohibits such behaviour so why lie?She also said that Islam is demeaning towards woman?
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While speaking about Muslim women, she forgot that the country she came from had 2 women as PM - Khaleda Zia & Sheikh Hasina. Dr. Zakir Naik have openly challenged many people to debate with him aboutIslam. He challenged Taslima too, but she did not accept the challenge, knowing that if she did, her lies & knowledge about Islam will be exposed..

Another fake, idiotic, paid loser Ayaan Hirsi. There is a video on YT not from Muslims but from Dutch TV where she admitted that she lied about some info in a Dutch program. The program provided evidencethat she's a liar. She lied about her name, her bg, her family, Islam & Somali culture. She lied to gain financially by writing books & films full of lies & fiction stories and fame..

Wafa Sultana is another liar. No offence but anyone who aligns themselves with Pamela Geller have to be mentally disturbed. ...

People like Rushdie, Taslima and their ilk are one & the same. Evil people with venom in their hearts. They lie about Islam, insult & ridicule prophetic figures for cheap publicity and to sell their books. They know the media is gonna pop up anything & everything bad if it is against Islam. Charlie Hebdo sales increased from 30,000 to 7 million copies.. These days people are willing to stoop any low for money. Ethics have gone out of the window.

Not to mention these hypocrites doesn't even allow religion to be freely expressed but wants to allow it to be freely mocked...

Well, lie all you want about Islam, mock, insult, burn Holy books, draw cartoons, it is not gonna bring down Islam.. Peace..
http://5pillarsuk.com/2015/02/22/increase-in-muslim-converts-in-france-after-charlie-hebdo/





I'm sorry, but I don't think its possible to engage in a reasonable exchange with you once you present Zakir Nayek as a righteous scholar of Islam. The guy's practically a joke to all except for some hard-core fanatics.

About Taslima, uh huh, you know nothing about her or the reason she developed such an aversive outlook towards Islam. Its not because of her uncle who raped her. Read up her biography,and then we can talk. Also, she's studied Islam and the Hadiths, and she's punctuated every criticism/slander (whatever you call it) with reference from the texts themselves.

The texts you say,trust me anyone can manipulate one word from the Quran and give their own meaning,because to understand each sentence,you have to read the Whole Paragraph.And Hadiths AREN'T Always Reliable!I wont say Everythings a Lie but there are many glitches...And even The Quran warns us against believing everything tge hadith says
And whoever told you that powerful women leaders (on the topic of Hasina and Khaleda) don't propagate the entrenched norms of patriarchy, is grossly mistaken with no understanding of how a patriarchal set-up works. Also note that Bangladesh has one of the worst records of women rights. Having two female Prime Ministers did zilch in that case.
I am from Bangladesh and i know Women's safety here is The biggest issue for us now,Because they are being Raped in broad Daylight and none Does anything to stop it!But don't you dare blame this in Islam,Because as i said Earlier Punishment of Rape is very Brutal in Islam and the women are Not to be blamed.Bangladesh is Gone case.Thousands of Muslims Were killed in the Night along with little Children but none knows anything about it,the News channels which did are now Gone but The Gunshots were heard throughout the Town.
And lastly, if you think that no amount of "slandering" is going to destroy your faith, why the heck do you want to hound people who criticise it? Leave them alone, they're not gonna do any harm. LOL I don't pay attention to people who I think are utterly unable to inflict harm on me, I ignore their rants. The moment the whole Muslim world goes up in flames over the tiniest bit of perceived "blasphemy", issues death threats, holds violent rallies etc., it means they're not so sure that these handful of blasphemers can NOT do any harm to their faith. Look at the Christian world and how it handles mockery of Christ and Christianity in general---they ignore stuff like "Piss Christ", knowing that such stuff ain't gonna change their faith. Now THAT is called being secure, not running after people with bayonets and bombs.


P.S. Do show me links which prove that Hirsi Ali and Sultana are "liars".



None can harm our Faith but when actually care and Love Something or someone we have the Guts to Stand Against it and take our stand.Unlike others who think ignoring is Peace LOL
I hope they dont start ignoring Everything and Look around to see Where ignorance has Brought people...We muslims have Guts.Accept it.
The rate at which Christianity is slowly decreases shows how much 'secure'their Faith is.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/11/christians-minority-2018-census-analysis

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/25/calling_the_christian_right_soon_you_will_be_outnumbered_partner/

So you see they are ignoring something that helds no importance In their life.
the Churches are trying to bring them Back,but sadly Religion,whichever it is,Is only a Namesake Thing
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Posted: 10 June 2015 at 7:57am | IP Logged
Originally posted by ..FallAndFly..



Muhammad ( PBUH ) was the first one to put a Stop to Female Infanticide and Win so successfully!
How could she even say that?I bet she never even touched the Quran and made it up just to get popular.

And one thing i dont understand is why,covering your head and dressing up decently withhold women from success?
Unless you want want to go to modeling industry Sleepy
But in all the other jobs i dont think it oppresses them in any way.

If you dont want to were a Hijab,then dont.But stop cursing the religion cause the Reason for wearing it very noble!
And its NOT saving ourselves for our husbands!
Its for not getting disturbing Catwhistles and dirty comments from the Creepy guys.
And,No.Islam doesn't blame women if she is teased or worse,Raped.Cause the Criminal is given even a Death penalty at times when he goes on and uses any weapon or Gun to harm the lady in a Irreversible way!
We women are Valued more than Gold or any other Precious Stones in Islam,Just like we keep them safe with us,treasure it,take care of it...Men are ordered to protect us,And we are ordered to Were Modest clothes and Hijab as A Precaution.

They may try,but can never wreck our faith Cool

I have read all sort of nonsense regarding the hijab how women who wears it are oppressed? So they want to stop "oppression of Muslim women" & they have no better way to do it than through oppressing them - not allowing them to wear what they want.. Anyway people who rail against Islamic women wearing veils, ignore when Jewish women do... http://thelondonpost.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Jewish-burka-466x320.jpg Even the "nuns" wears veil?
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Posted: 10 June 2015 at 8:09am | IP Logged
I'm sorry, but I don't think its possible to engage in a reasonable exchange with you once you present Zakir Nayek as a righteous scholar of Islam. The guy's practically a joke to all except for some hard-core fanatics. 

Dr.Zakir Naik is a medical doctor by degree .He is renowned as a dynamic international orator on Islam and Comparative Religion. 

He clarifies Islamic viewpoints and clears misconceptions about Islam, using the Qur'aan, authentic Hadith reciting each and giving each Surat, Ayat number(by heart) and he has not only learned Qur'aan and Hadith by heart but has also learned several Bibles, the Talmud and the Torah (the Jewish scriptures), the Mahabharata and the Bhagwat Gita (the Hindu holy books), and other scriptures and gives very satisfying answer in conjunction with reason, logic and scientific facts. He has learned hundred and thousands of pages from different books by heart and has the knowledge of scientific and mathematical facts and theories. 

Dr. Zakir Naik has delivered more than 700 public talks in the U.S.A., Canada, U.K., Saudi Arabia, U.A.E., Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, South Africa, Mauritius, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand, Guyana (South America) and many other countries, in addition to numerous public talks in India. His lists of guests have included ambassadors of the respected countries, Army Generals, Political Leaders, Sports Persons, religious scholars , entrepreneurs, and most importantly the ordinary people. 

He has successfully participated in several symposia and dialogues with prominent personalities of other faiths. His public dialogue with Dr. William Campbell (of USA), on the topic, "The Quran and the Bible in the light of Science" held in city of Chicago, U.S.A., on April 1, 2000 was the most famous one. 

He is also the founder and chairman of Islamic Research Foundation . 

The Islamic Research Foundation (IRF), Mumbai, India, is a registered non-profit public charitable trust. It was established in February 1991. It promotes Islamic Da'wah - the proper presentation, understanding and appreciation of Islam, as well as removing misconceptions about Islam - amongst less aware Muslims and non-Muslims. 

Dr. Zakir Naik appears regularly on many international T.V. Channels in more than 100 countries of the world. He is regularly invited for T.V. and Radio interviews. 

Shaykh Ahmed Deedat[May Allaah have mercy on him], the world famous orator on Islam and Comparative Religion, who had called Dr. Zakir, "Deedat plus" in 1994. 

This guy is a joke?? People who never have accomplished anything worth talking about take liberties in pulling such people down. Case of sour grapes.

About Taslima, uh huh, you know nothing about her or the reason she developed such an aversive outlook towards Islam. Its not because of her uncle who raped her. Read up her biography,and then we can talk. Also, she's studied Islam and the Hadiths, and she's punctuated every criticism/slander (whatever you call it) with reference from the texts themselves. 

This is from her twitter account...
"Muslim women deserve to have sex with  72 virgin men on the earth as they won't get these things  in heaven." 

a) This Hadith is a Daif, a weak Hadith because it has no chain of narrations although it is listed in an authoritative collection, this particular Hadith has technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered acceptable.

b) Even If it was a Sahih Hadith & not a weak one, the Quran says "We were your allies in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. And you will have therein whatever your souls desire, and you will have therein whatever you request (Quran 41:31)", so InshaAllah, If I enter paradise & request for 72 virgins, as per Quran I will get it.. Another thing, this is not important but normally a Muslim who have strong knowledge in Islam, would know that "heaven" is Christian concept, Muslim calls it "Paradise".

This is another tweet of hers.. 
"Let's offend Islam. It is the only way to let Muslims live decent lives. Islam is the greatest enemy of Muslims."

What kind of person thinks that "offending" people is better than living in a society based on basic morals like "respecting each other & not hurting each other" ? Confused

And whoever told you that powerful women leaders (on the topic of Hasina and Khaleda) don't propagate the entrenched norms of patriarchy, is grossly mistaken with no understanding of how a patriarchal set-up works. Also note that Bangladesh has one of the worst records of women rights. Having two female Prime Ministers did zilch in that case.

Taslima said Islam is an oppressive religion...something that did little to secure the rights of women. Funny, Quran did mention about women rights in spiritual, educational, economical, social, legal, political & etc etc.. + there are hadiths too.. If the women in Bangladesh have no rights, then that is the "cultural" problem not "Islam". I wrote about some of the rights here http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4199525&PID=115478563&#p115478563 

And lastly, if you think that no amount of "slandering" is going to destroy your faith, why the heck do you want to hound people who criticise it? Leave them alone, they're not gonna do any harm. LOLI don't pay attention to people who I think are utterly unable to inflict harm on me, I ignore their rants. The moment the whole Muslim world goes up in flames over the tiniest bit of perceived "blasphemy", issues death threats, holds violent rallies etc., it means they're not so sure that these handful of blasphemers can NOT do any harm to their faith. Look at the Christian world and how it handles mockery of Christ and Christianity in general---they ignore stuff like "Piss Christ", knowing that such stuff ain't gonna change their faith. Now THAT is called being secure, not running after people with bayonets and bombs.

Who says I hound them? I personally could not care less and they will not received any reaction from me. I mean how pathetic grown adults feel the need to do such a thing. Why would I react violent to an out and out provocation from a bunch of bigots with nothing better to do with their day? I feel pity for you all. It says volumes about you and nothing about me or my religion, draw what you like 'its your funeral' (idiom)..

P.S. Do show me links which prove that Hirsi Ali and Sultana are "liars".

Hirsi Ali 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho3BpnpAagQ

Sultana 
She used to be an Alawi. They broke away from Islam around 900 AD. Many Alawi do not consider themselves to be Muslims. Ibn Kathir and other respected Sunni scholars historically categorized them as pagans. Sunni and Shia both rejects them as their belief is completely different from Islam. There are more like Christians. They even have a figure like Father Christmas who gives gifts to the children on December 26th. 
Sulatana said "Nuke the Muslims"..like I said "mentally disturbed"
http://spencerwatch.com/2010/08/11/robert-spencer-calls-nuke-the-muslims-crazy-lady-a-heroine/




Edited by Qirat. - 10 June 2015 at 9:07am
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FallandFly: Interesting that you're from Bangladesh. In that regard, I've a question for you: What is your opinion on the recent murders of Dr. Abhijit Roy, Washiqur Rahman and most recently, Ananta Vijay?

Nope, reacting aggressively to the tiniest bit of provocation is indicative of a weak and insecure mindset, not "guts". By that logic, dictators who paranoiacally persecute theit critics are the gutsiest in the world. You see what I mean? And this "urge to protect the religion" is what's preventing several Muslim societies like Saudi Arabia from evolving into a more civil, 21st-century society. The more you feel the urge to "silence your critics", the more you stop yourself from acknowledging your own shortcomings, and the more stagnated you become. The reason Christians are not burning blasphemers to death today, is because they learnt to accept criticism of their blind beliefs. Sadly, the same cannot be said of Muslims everywhere.


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Posted: 10 June 2015 at 11:58pm | IP Logged
Qirad: The bit you posted about Zakir Nayek, was it from Wikipedia? Have you ever watched any of his sessions?

And if Wafa Sultana indeed said that Muslims should be nuked, then that's indeed a cause for concern. Though I'm yet to read the link.

Edited by krystal_watz - 10 June 2015 at 11:58pm
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Originally posted by krystal_watz

Qirad: The bit you posted about Zakir Nayek, was it from Wikipedia? Have you ever watched any of his sessions?

And if Wafa Sultana indeed said that Muslims should be nuked, then that's indeed a cause for concern. Though I'm yet to read the link.

Nope.. years ago I took it from his website.. http://www.irf.net/drzakirnaik.html .. some info have been updated.. I have watched some of his debate, few episodes of Oxford Union debate..

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Originally posted by krystal_watz

FallandFly: Interesting that you're from Bangladesh. In that regard, I've a question for you: What is your opinion n the recent murders of Dr. Abhijit Roy, Washiqur Rahman and most recently, Ananta Vijay?

Nope, reacting aggressively to the tiniest bit of provocation is indicative of a weak and insecure mindset, not "guts". By that logic, dictators who paranoiacally persecute theit critics are the gutsiest in the world. You see what I mean? And this "urge to protect the religion" is what's preventing several Muslim societies like Saudi Arabia from evolving into a more civil, 21st-century society. The more you feel the urge to "silence your critics", the more you stop yourself from acknowledging your own shortcomings, and the more stagnated you become. The reason Christians are not burning blasphemers to death today, is because they learnt to accept criticism of their blind beliefs. Sadly, the same cannot be said of Muslims everywhere.



I would say the same thing about these bloggers as Charlie Hebdo,they shouldnt have been killed and the those who commited this crime should be punished accordingly.But their should be strong law against those Bloggers as well.Ive read their Posts on the Blogs and trust me they have surpased Charlie.And their stories Are insulting and Full of Hate speech..Fair judgement to both sides should Stop this whole thing.
And by Protesting and Protecting our religion i Didn't mean 'taking out the guns' i meant,like,right now,i am answering your questions,without using any abusive language,and sticking Firmly to my beliefs.We can also bring Forward Peaceful Rallies without the Armed bikers and just reach out to everyone about our Religion with 0 violence.
Saudi,for the last time,is nothing like you and i think,my friend who came from their made more BFs in 4 Yrs than i could read my Books...I'm Sure thats not what a 'Muslim State' teaches their children.And interestingly,She said that Mom and She were more than Happy and Free in Saudi than in BD.In Saudi Her mom Used to wear Jeans and she used to wear Skirts but not have to wear Burqa cause the Creeps wont stop Starring at them!
See,i bet you thought Saudi To be freaks about Women wear Jeans or they driving Cars or Working,cause i certainly used to think thatLOL,But she says she can't wait to go back to her place and I'm like "W*F?!We cant be that Bad"LOL
And about Saudi Royals...you wont understand what i will say now,but you can look it up on Any reliable website,Ad-Dajjal is the Ultimate trial for all the Muslims around the Globe,He is our Biggest enemy and we have to fight and Stay away from him Nd his Charms.But their are some People who worship him in the Name of Illuminati,i hope you know about that,and Saudi Royals are seemingly one of them...they made a Freaking Palace for him in the Place which Prophet Muhammad [PBUH ] had described 1400 before.What does Ad-Dajjal give them?Money,fame,Status and Pleasures of the this World in exchange of Degrading All the Muslims and Humiliating them enough to Make them turn away from their Religion.
Saudi is what people think the best example of A Muslim state,Best way to degrade Muslims?Corrupt that state.
You wouldn't believe it,and i don't expect you to either but We have so many clues around us that its just not easy to ignore it anymore.
I dont like to talk about other religion lest i Offend them in anyway but like i said Earlier,most Christians nowadays Are not that into their Religion anymore,When asked they say "i love Jesus,but not the Religion" even made a YVideo about it...look it up,and you'll be astonished about the amount of likes It got...and so less people came and Said even a Single word against it.
And the declining rate of Christians is also proving the same thing.
When they hear anyone criticizing their religion and ignore it,do you think they Forget about it?Or aren't they hurt even a bit?We can handle Criticism,because if we Didnt then Either the world by now will half its population [Cause,according to you,Protesting is all about Bloodshed]or The Amount of Muslims in the world wouldn't be 1.7 Billion in just 200 yrs.Because we are more 'Criticised' than the Christs,Hindus,Jews e.t.c
And if you still want give me their Example,then pls,i wont buy it.
Last but not the least,we have more reasons to love and support our Religion so dearly than to just Drop it...If you want to know why we are so passionate about Islam,you have to know Islam.
But this time,dont look at it to find out why it is so 'oppressive' towards women and Why it has such "Brutal death" for Blasphemy...But we know it the Only true religion.
See,their are like hundreds of Clues right infront of our eyes...Our enemy and his Followers being the Biggest,we know,The least thing we can do is Shout out Loud and Proud of our religion and atleast Try to stop the mockers at first,without guns...then turn away,with the satisfaction " I tried "

And please,BD is Place you should never ask for justice if you're not related to Our 'lovely' President...There is a Reason why i love "The HungerGames" so muchLOL...So i know better than that you know from the Tv and News...behind the scenes is a Very important thing.
Peace out.

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