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Posted: 08 June 2015 at 12:10am | IP Logged

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33039815


Ideally, you want rational Muslims around the world to protest vociferously against this "judgment", with the same intensity they protest against Muhammad cartoon drawing contests, but likely you would see them keeping quiet. Yet again.

Silence is consent.

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Posted: 08 June 2015 at 3:24am | IP Logged
Originally posted by K.Universe.

Originally posted by krystal_watz

On "change from within":

Taslima Nasreen, Salman Rushdie, Wafa Sultana, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Washiqur Rahman are a few names to mention. What they did, and what was done unto them.




Well, change is not easy, especially in the Muslim world, especially in those that have authoritarian regimes. A couple of outspoken individuals here and there that one could count on fingers simply wouldn't do. They need to have demonstrations, boycotts, strikes, petitions, civil disobedience, whatever it takes to bring about a social change. They need to hold themselves accountable for the state they are in. If it is a medieval book that is responsible for their overall "backwardness", then it is they who should shun medieval practices that are making them regressive. The burden is on them. If they are too impotent to rebel, then no amount of outside "support" will help; definitely not taunts.





Nope, it takes one individual to start a movement. But the thing is, the legal machinery in most Islamic nations is stringently anti-atheist and ultra-vigilant towards the slightest sign of rebellion or subversion towards the entrenched norms. Which means a civilised, organised "mivement" is hardly possible in a State like, say, Saudi Arabia where blogger Badawi get 100 lashes and possibly a death sentence for his atheism.



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Posted: 08 June 2015 at 6:35am | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

Originally posted by K.Universe.

Originally posted by krystal_watz

On "change from within":










Nope, it takes one individual to start a movement. But the thing is, the legal machinery in most Islamic nations is stringently anti-atheist and ultra-vigilant towards the slightest sign of rebellion or subversion towards the entrenched norms. Which means a civilised, organised "mivement" is hardly possible in a State like, say, Saudi Arabia where blogger Badawi get 100 lashes and possibly a death sentence for his atheism.




The ordinary Muslim might have nothing to do with these Salafi terrorists but what can they about it. Does an individual now become accountable for the actions of such elements just because they admit to following the same faith?

Aware Muslims denounce these Wahabbis as anti-Islamic.

Saudi had also punished those guys who made a video of poverty in SA. 




Edited by Druids - 08 June 2015 at 6:37am
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Nobody's saying every Muslim is to be held accountable for the ghastly deeds of taq'firi elements. In my last post I pointed out how and why the "moderate" Muslim's voice is largely subdued in a society governed by the Sharia law and its guardians, the mutawas.

Edited by krystal_watz - 08 June 2015 at 8:25am
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Originally posted by K.Universe.

QL, you may have a point here. I am getting systematically desensitized to these psychoanalytic, behavioral therapy advancing esoteric posts so much so that I have very little resolve left now to "fight back" anymore. It is working!

 
Good to know! Now that you're progressing, I'll consider decreasing the 'therapy' sessions.Tongue


In your rush to learn about desensitization,you looked into the wrong area.I talked about the desensitization which occurs as a natural process among healthy humans and what you have been reading about is the deliberate desensitization to treat phobias.

To spare you the trouble of finding examples of it on your own,here are some.

http://www.psychwiki.com/wiki/PSY307-Desensitization


The trouble is, desensitization can happen in either ways.People get desensitized to what they're exposed to-both violence and non-violence.

To militant islamists who resort to violence in the name of religion,cold-hearted killings is not a matter that deserves a second thought.They are desensitized to violence to the degree that such killings are mere routine events.The people who live nearby are also more or less in the same situation.When exposed to beheadings and such on a frequent basis,they become less and less sensitive to the sight.Now if they were offered an invitation to join the jihad and take part in the killings,they won't object to it as much as a normal person would.The continuous exposure to the terror along with the preaching about its 'holiness' made their ethics change.That's how such groups dramatically gain figures.

If such militant mentality is not curbed from outside,soon the middle east will have a huge population of them.Tackling violence with violence if works would be only temporary because to them,what they are doing is a holy act,not deserving to be punished.They'll only retort with even more violence and the vicious circle will continue.

The only thing that would work is what worked with Catholic church, which was as bad.By continuously exposing them to the actions they find provocative,it will appear less and less provocative as time goes on,making them adapt to alternative response mechanisms, instead of violence.No action is inherently provocative in nature.The person who is subjected to a particular action is the one who decides how much provocative it is.Take this contest for example.To a militant,this act is provocative enough for a mass murder of the organizers.To a liberal Muslim,the act is still condemnable but not provocative enough to take a life.The response,not the action is what defines provocativeness.

Once you're desensitized to something,the change of mindset will never happen from within the population.Being a naturally occurring process stabilized by evolution,it works as a survival adaptation in those who are subjected to it.They will never feel a need to change on their own.The pressure to change should come from outside.That's inevitable.
Now that religious terrorism is such a pressing issue worldwide,many would realize the potential of similar movements in making Muslims broadminded.There's a good chance that they will become more frequent in the west and gradually,elsewhere. Of course there will be violence and bloodshed,but its magnitude will decrease gradually.Condemnation of the act need not change.Only the response to it.Drawing Muhammad can still be a sin but believers would find other means to protest than resorting to violence.The books like The Holy Blood and the Holy grail which attacked the core of Christianity didn't go without a storm.But there wasn't a massacre in the name of it.That's the reaction which is desired.





Edited by QuietlyLoud - 08 June 2015 at 10:51am

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Posted: 08 June 2015 at 2:08pm | IP Logged
Murders and Rape is as common as Sex all over the World Now.
Just like a Boy of only 17 told me the other day that Doing the Deed and Keeping the Good boy image infront of parents is more easy than i think.
Now,I've been friends with this boy and his Whole group for more than 4yrs.But never wanted to fit in the Group because i detest their Filthy ways of Popularity.
So,they assumed i didn't join them in their Wild Parties was because i was Scared to ruin my 'Good girl Image'...So,what happend to them?
they are,in your words,desensitised
This is what they see all over the TVs,Listen in the Radios,On their Mobiles...hell,even Ads nowadays promotes promiscuous Sex!
Now tell me if you think we should keep quiet about this And let half the world die with STDs!
Because ppl might have been "Desensitised" but Mother Nature is Not.
Likewise,the amount Rape and Murder cases are Rapidly increasing and are all over the News,
Are You Desensitised?Doesn't it Matter to you anymore?NO.It matters and we are still finding ways to stop it,because we know its wrong.
Logically, if 1.7 billion ppl picked up a Gun and started shooting Everyone and Anyone that population the would Decrease to perhaps 4 Billions in about a Month.But we are not doing this are we?Now because Of 7% of Muslims who have now dedicated their life to Terrorism more than Allah,we 93% percentage of Muslims have to keep quiet and Watch you Desensitise us?
7%of Muslims Represents our Religion and not the 93%?
And did you Ever,just once,thought that if Muslims were so strict and Powerful and Dangerous then why is It that Children in Gaza,Syria,palestine and so many other places Have to Beg for Help and just a Piece of Bread and not get anything other than Humiliation?
Where are Al-Qayda,Isis this and that Now?
Aren't they suppose to protect us if they are protecting Islam?
Dont you see the truth?Or have you been desensitised to our Pains?

I refuse to be desensitised by Blind People and Media.
I will Speak when i see something Wrong.
I will Go against Them.
And i will Say 'You're Wrong,You cant make me agree with you'
And i will protest However i can.
I will fight them with Logic and Word,because this is My_Freedom of opinion and Expression and
FREEDOM.OF.SPEECH


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Posted: 08 June 2015 at 2:09pm | IP Logged

Originally posted by QuietlyLoud



In your rush to learn about desensitization,you looked into the wrong area.I talked about the desensitization which occurs as a natural process among healthy humans and what you have been reading about is the deliberate desensitization to treat phobias.

To spare you the trouble of finding examples of it on your own,here are some.



But the cartoon drawing contests are attempts at deliberate desensitization, isn't that right? Isn't that the whole reason you brought up this "therapy" in the first place? So why are you talking about "natural process desensitization" now and accusing me that I was researching the wrong area?

And healthy individuals don't have phobias?

Originally posted by QuietlyLoud



The only thing that would work is what worked with Catholic church, which was as bad.




I asked for evidence. Instead I get the usual runaround. So tell me, how many times should one repeat this mantra ("systematic desensitization worked for Catholic church") in their head, for it to become "fact"?


Originally posted by QuietlyLoud



Once you're desensitized to something,the change of mindset will never happen from within the population. The pressure to change should come from outside



OK, since it is a "fact" now (that systematic desensitization worked for Christians of yore), who exactly applied this pressure to change the Christians (Catholic church), what steps did they follow to desensitize Christians (Catholic church) and where is/was this "outside" that you speak of when it came to desensitizing Christians (Catholic church)?





Edited by K.Universe. - 08 June 2015 at 4:57pm
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Posted: 08 June 2015 at 3:22pm | IP Logged
The age of enlightenment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

The Age of Enlightenment is an era from the 1650s to the 1780s in which cultural and intellectual forces in Western Europe emphasized reason, analysis, and individualism rather than traditional lines of authority. It was promoted by philosophers and local thinkers in urban coffee houses, salons, and Masonic lodges. It challenged the authority of institutions that were deeply rooted in society, especially the Catholic Church; there was much talk of ways to reform society with toleration, science and skepticism.


I rest my case.

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