Draw Muhammad contest Taxas!!! WHY?? - Page 13

Originally posted by: Qirat.

These people purposely did this event on Friday when Muslims go & perform their Friday prayers. Interesting to see some people would rather sit outside a mosque annoying people who have done nothing wrong than go toTexas & help out flood or tornado victims who could used the extra help... And then they will say they are about freedom and peace when all they do is spread hatred and then moan for what they have caused by playingthe victim...

Well,it's all about Money 😆

And we Muslims know just why and How much they are being Paid for this 😛
But Victory,at the end,is all ours
#LiveAsAHero
#DieAsAMartyrs 😳

Originally posted by: QuietlyLoud

Deliberate desensitization is when it is used in a therapy-when psychologists use it in an scheduled ,step-wise(someone asked about a three-step process,remember?) manner to cure debilitating fears and addictions.

Desensitization which occurs naturally is neither deliberate nor involuntary.It does not have a predetermined format or a fixed time period.The contribution of many exertions in the desired direction is what forces the change.All those 'provocations' need not be the same.They can differ in form or intensity,provided they are capable of inciting the same response.In this case,it doesn't have to be a contest,but something else they would find equally provocative or questioning the doctrine.Whether such discrete influences can be considered deliberate attempts to desensitize or not,hangs on a thin line.IMO Geller is just showing middle finger to Muslims and doesn't give a damn about making them more liberal.So it is not deliberate attempt as far as her intentions are concerned.Now if someone else hosts it with a realization of its potential,then it is.Deliberate or not,the contributers would influence the process more or less to the same degree.


You used the words "systematic desensitization" in your very first post. I could quote it for you, if you deny that again.

The definition of systematic desensitization is "a treatment for phobias in which the patient is exposed to progressively more anxiety-provoking stimuli and taught relaxation techniques.". I could post a link, if you dispute this.

Now, is your focus still on employing systematic desensitization as a solution here? It appears you wavered there, ever since I pointed out the details of that therapy and instead opted to go with desensitization.

Everyone knows what desensitization means, no one needs an education there. You want to expose a person or a group of persons to negative stimulus (in this context, draw Muhammad cartoons) so that they become desensitized.

I asked you guys what makes you think that this will work. You said that it worked in reforming Catholic church, in people's acceptance of homosexuals.

I pointed out that what worked in reforming catholic church was clearly recorded in history - that cultural and intellectual forces in Western Europe emphasized reason, analysis, and individualism to counter traditional lines of authority.

What led to some countries and states to accept homosexuals are tireless LGBT social movements. Nowhere in the timeline of LGBT history did they employ "desensitization" techniques so people could start accepting them as normal.

And yes,people who have specific phobias are not healthy.It is a type of anxiety disorder.

Irrelevant to this debate but people with phobias can be perfectly healthy. If I have claustrophobia, doesn't mean I am not healthy. You may muck it up by bringing "mental health" but as long as I can function productively, cope with the challenges of everyday life and make a positive contribution to the society, I am, and will be, considered healthy, regardless of my fear of confined places.

The pressure to reform Roman Catholic Church came from the population which was not the part of Papal administrative circle-Those who suffered at the hands of Pope-heretics,scientists,philosophers,native people,gypsies and list goes on.Those who were not desensitized to violence but suffered the effects of it.These people challenged the papal authority and their right to define Christian doctrine.If it was not for these people and their exertions,the Church would have remained the same.Without these influences, it would never have changed on it own because violence was a survival mechanism to the Church-To gain and retain power,to oppress the challengers,to preach sacraments and to keep people in ignorance.

This is fluff. Please stop believing in your own fluff. Please read about European history in general and the age of enlightenment in particular. Nowhere in Renaissance or humanism or protestant reformation do they speak of "desensitization".

Originally posted by: Qirat.

Freedom to criticize is allowed, as long as its with a spirit of seeking the truth & having an honest and respectable dialogue, but people are abusing freedom by inciting hatred through continuous disrespect, provocation,mockery, slander, hate speech, fear-mongering, & outright insults to our beliefs.

Salman Rushdie rushed out of a party with his wife because some reporter made some obscene remark about his wife. If he can't tolerate a remark made to his wife how does he expect us to tolerate such bad remarksabout our Prophet in the name of freedom of speech? Queen of England gave him "knighthood" for dissing Islam & Muslims. He said the hijab "suck" & are "limitation of women".. Well, what's on our head shouldn't beanyone's concern, care what's in it..

Taslima Nasreen - What happened to her has nothing to do with Islam. Instead of hating her relatives that raped her, she started hating Islam & the Prophet. She even said female infanticide in Bangladesh is high due to"Islam"? Quran clearly prohibits such behaviour so why lie?She also said that Islam is demeaning towards woman?

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While speaking about Muslim women, she forgot that the country she came from had 2 women as PM - Khaleda Zia & Sheikh Hasina. Dr. Zakir Naik have openly challenged many people to debate with him aboutIslam. He challenged Taslima too, but she did not accept the challenge, knowing that if she did, her lies & knowledge about Islam will be exposed..

Another fake, idiotic, paid loser Ayaan Hirsi. There is a video on YT not from Muslims but from Dutch TV where she admitted that she lied about some info in a Dutch program. The program provided evidencethat she's a liar. She lied about her name, her bg, her family, Islam & Somali culture. She lied to gain financially by writing books & films full of lies & fiction stories and fame..

Wafa Sultana is another liar. No offence but anyone who aligns themselves with Pamela Geller have to be mentally disturbed. ...

People like Rushdie, Taslima and their ilk are one & the same. Evil people with venom in their hearts. They lie about Islam, insult & ridicule prophetic figures for cheap publicity and to sell their books. They know the media is gonna pop up anything & everything bad if it is against Islam. Charlie Hebdo sales increased from 30,000 to 7 million copies.. These days people are willing to stoop any low for money. Ethics have gone out of the window.

Not to mention these hypocrites doesn't even allow religion to be freely expressed but wants to allow it to be freely mocked...

Well, lie all you want about Islam, mock, insult, burn Holy books, draw cartoons, it is not gonna bring down Islam.. Peace..

http://5pillarsuk.com/2015/02/22/increase-in-muslim-converts-in-france-after-charlie-hebdo/

http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015/01/149537/french-director-converts-to-islam-after-charlie-hebdo-attacks/

Muhammad ( PBUH ) was the first one to put a Stop to Female Infanticide and Win so successfully!
How could she even say that?I bet she never even touched the Quran and made it up just to get popular.

And one thing i dont understand is why,covering your head and dressing up decently withhold women from success?
Unless you want want to go to modeling industry 🥱
But in all the other jobs i dont think it oppresses them in any way.

If you dont want to were a Hijab,then dont.But stop cursing the religion cause the Reason for wearing it very noble!
And its NOT saving ourselves for our husbands!
Its for not getting disturbing Catwhistles and dirty comments from the Creepy guys.
And,No.Islam doesn't blame women if she is teased or worse,Raped.Cause the Criminal is given even a Death penalty at times when he goes on and uses any weapon or Gun to harm the lady in a Irreversible way!
We women are Valued more than Gold or any other Precious Stones in Islam,Just like we keep them safe with us,treasure it,take care of it...Men are ordered to protect us,And we are ordered to Were Modest clothes and Hijab as A Precaution.

They may try,but can never wreck our faith 😎

Originally posted by: ..FallAndFly..

Murders and Rape is as common as Sex all over the World Now.
Just like a Boy of only 17 told me the other day that Doing the Deed and Keeping the Good boy image infront of parents is more easy than i think.
Now,I've been friends with this boy and his Whole group for more than 4yrs.But never wanted to fit in the Group because i detest their Filthy ways of Popularity.
So,they assumed i didn't join them in their Wild Parties was because i was Scared to ruin my 'Good girl Image'...So,what happend to them?
they are,in your words,desensitised
This is what they see all over the TVs,Listen in the Radios,On their Mobiles...hell,even Ads nowadays promotes promiscuous Sex!
Now tell me if you think we should keep quiet about this And let half the world die with STDs!
Because ppl might have been "Desensitised" but Mother Nature is Not.
Likewise,the amount Rape and Murder cases are Rapidly increasing and are all over the News,
Are You Desensitised?Doesn't it Matter to you anymore?NO.It matters and we are still finding ways to stop it,because we know its wrong.
Logically, if 1.7 billion ppl picked up a Gun and started shooting Everyone and Anyone that population the would Decrease to perhaps 4 Billions in about a Month.But we are not doing this are we?Now because Of 7% of Muslims who have now dedicated their life to Terrorism more than Allah,we 93% percentage of Muslims have to keep quiet and Watch you Desensitise us?
7%of Muslims Represents our Religion and not the 93%?
And did you Ever,just once,thought that if Muslims were so strict and Powerful and Dangerous then why is It that Children in Gaza,Syria,palestine and so many other places Have to Beg for Help and just a Piece of Bread and not get anything other than Humiliation?
Where are Al-Qayda,Isis this and that Now?
Aren't they suppose to protect us if they are protecting Islam?
Dont you see the truth?Or have you been desensitised to our Pains?

I refuse to be desensitised by Blind People and Media.
I will Speak when i see something Wrong.
I will Go against Them.
And i will Say 'You're Wrong,You cant make me agree with you'
And i will protest However i can.
I will fight them with Logic and Word,because this is My_Freedom of opinion and Expression and
FREEDOM.OF.SPEECH

Originally posted by: Qirat.

Freedom to criticize is allowed, as long as its with a spirit of seeking the truth & having an honest and respectable dialogue, but people are abusing freedom by inciting hatred through continuous disrespect, provocation, mockery, slander, hate speech, fear-mongering, & outright insults to our beliefs. 

Salman Rushdie rushed out of a party with his wife because some reporter made some obscene remark about his wife. If he can't tolerate a remark made to his wife how does he expect us to tolerate such bad remarks about our Prophet in the name of freedom of speech? Queen of England gave him "knighthood" for dissing Islam & Muslims. He said the hijab "suck" & are "limitation of women".. Well, what's on our head shouldn't be anyone's concern, care what's in it..  

Taslima Nasreen - What happened to her has nothing to do with Islam. Instead of hating her relatives that raped her, she started hating Islam & the Prophet. She even said female infanticide in Bangladesh is high due to "Islam"? Quran clearly prohibits such behaviour so why lie? She also said that Islam is demeaning towards woman? 

While speaking about Muslim women, she forgot that the country she came from had 2 women as PM - Khaleda Zia & Sheikh Hasina. Dr. Zakir Naik have openly challenged many people to debate with him about Islam. He challenged Taslima too, but she did not accept the challenge, knowing that if she did, her lies & knowledge about Islam will be exposed..

Another fake, idiotic, paid loser Ayaan Hirsi. There is a video on YT not from Muslims but from Dutch TV where she admitted that she lied about some info in a Dutch program. The program provided evidence that she's a liar. She lied about her name, her bg, her family, Islam & Somali culture. She lied to gain financially by writing books & films full of lies & fiction stories and fame.. 

Wafa Sultana is another liar. No offence but anyone who aligns themselves with Pamela Geller have to be mentally disturbed. ...

People like Rushdie, Taslima and their ilk are one & the same. Evil people with venom in their hearts. They lie about Islam, insult & ridicule prophetic figures for cheap publicity and to sell their books. They know the media is gonna pop up anything & everything bad if it is against Islam. Charlie Hebdo sales increased from 30,000 to 7 million copies.. These days people are willing to stoop any low for money. Ethics have gone out of the window. 

Not to mention these hypocrites doesn't even allow religion to be freely expressed but wants to allow it to be freely mocked...

Well, lie all you want about Islam, mock, insult, burn Holy books, draw cartoons, it is not gonna bring down Islam.. Peace..

http://5pillarsuk.com/2015/02/22/increase-in-muslim-converts-in-france-after-charlie-hebdo/

Edited by krystal_watz - 8 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Actually,there are studies which show that desensitisation towards violence and sexual crimes is growing amongst the present internet-iPhone generation. Juvenile crime rates are going up several notches in a lot of societies. Its not always on an individual level, but more of a 'collective mindset' phenomenon.

Ummm,it's not just the Internet and Iphone 😆
Just walk the Road and you'll see Like hundreds of Vulgar Posters 😆
Listen to the popular Music and You'll find everything you shouldn't in the name of YOLO 😆

they have prepared many ways to corrupt this world...blaming only the Gadgets and Internet wont help.
My point was,You can't desensitise me or anyone if we don't want it...So,Drawings Cartoons to desensitise anyone wont work.

We will always hate it,and always raise our voice against it.Edited by ..FallAndFly.. - 8 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

I'm sorry, but I don't think its possible to engage in a reasonable exchange with you once you present Zakir Nayek as a righteous scholar of Islam. The guy's practically a joke to all except for some hard-core fanatics.

About Taslima, uh huh, you know nothing about her or the reason she developed such an aversive outlook towards Islam. Its not because of her uncle who raped her. Read up her biography,and then we can talk. Also, she's studied Islam and the Hadiths, and she's punctuated every criticism/slander (whatever you call it) with reference from the texts themselves.

The texts you say,trust me anyone can manipulate one word from the Quran and give their own meaning,because to understand each sentence,you have to read the Whole Paragraph.And Hadiths AREN'T Always Reliable!I wont say Everythings a Lie but there are many glitches...And even The Quran warns us against believing everything tge hadith says

And whoever told you that powerful women leaders (on the topic of Hasina and Khaleda) don't propagate the entrenched norms of patriarchy, is grossly mistaken with no understanding of how a patriarchal set-up works. Also note that Bangladesh has one of the worst records of women rights. Having two female Prime Ministers did zilch in that case.

I am from Bangladesh and i know Women's safety here is The biggest issue for us now,Because they are being Raped in broad Daylight and none Does anything to stop it!But don't you dare blame this in Islam,Because as i said Earlier Punishment of Rape is very Brutal in Islam and the women are Not to be blamed.Bangladesh is Gone case.Thousands of Muslims Were killed in the Night along with little Children but none knows anything about it,the News channels which did are now Gone but The Gunshots were heard throughout the Town.

And lastly, if you think that no amount of "slandering" is going to destroy your faith, why the heck do you want to hound people who criticise it? Leave them alone, they're not gonna do any harm. 😆 I don't pay attention to people who I think are utterly unable to inflict harm on me, I ignore their rants. The moment the whole Muslim world goes up in flames over the tiniest bit of perceived "blasphemy", issues death threats, holds violent rallies etc., it means they're not so sure that these handful of blasphemers can NOT do any harm to their faith. Look at the Christian world and how it handles mockery of Christ and Christianity in general---they ignore stuff like "Piss Christ", knowing that such stuff ain't gonna change their faith. Now THAT is called being secure, not running after people with bayonets and bombs.

P.S. Do show me links which prove that Hirsi Ali and Sultana are "liars".

None can harm our Faith but when actually care and Love Something or someone we have the Guts to Stand Against it and take our stand.Unlike others who think ignoring is Peace 😆
I hope they dont start ignoring Everything and Look around to see Where ignorance has Brought people...We muslims have Guts.Accept it.
The rate at which Christianity is slowly decreases shows how much 'secure'their Faith is.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/11/christians-minority-2018-census-analysis

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/25/calling_the_christian_right_soon_you_will_be_outnumbered_partner/

So you see they are ignoring something that helds no importance In their life.
the Churches are trying to bring them Back,but sadly Religion,whichever it is,Is only a Namesake Thing

Originally posted by: ..FallAndFly..

Muhammad ( PBUH ) was the first one to put a Stop to Female Infanticide and Win so successfully!

How could she even say that?I bet she never even touched the Quran and made it up just to get popular.

And one thing i dont understand is why,covering your head and dressing up decently withhold women from success?
Unless you want want to go to modeling industry 🥱
But in all the other jobs i dont think it oppresses them in any way.

If you dont want to were a Hijab,then dont.But stop cursing the religion cause the Reason for wearing it very noble!
And its NOT saving ourselves for our husbands!
Its for not getting disturbing Catwhistles and dirty comments from the Creepy guys.
And,No.Islam doesn't blame women if she is teased or worse,Raped.Cause the Criminal is given even a Death penalty at times when he goes on and uses any weapon or Gun to harm the lady in a Irreversible way!
We women are Valued more than Gold or any other Precious Stones in Islam,Just like we keep them safe with us,treasure it,take care of it...Men are ordered to protect us,And we are ordered to Were Modest clothes and Hijab as A Precaution.

They may try,but can never wreck our faith 😎

Edited by Qirat. - 8 years ago

FallandFly: Interesting that you're from Bangladesh. In that regard, I've a question for you: What is your opinion on the recent murders of Dr. Abhijit Roy, Washiqur Rahman and most recently, Ananta Vijay?

Nope, reacting aggressively to the tiniest bit of provocation is indicative of a weak and insecure mindset, not "guts". By that logic, dictators who paranoiacally persecute theit critics are the gutsiest in the world. You see what I mean? And this "urge to protect the religion" is what's preventing several Muslim societies like Saudi Arabia from evolving into a more civil, 21st-century society. The more you feel the urge to "silence your critics", the more you stop yourself from acknowledging your own shortcomings, and the more stagnated you become. The reason Christians are not burning blasphemers to death today, is because they learnt to accept criticism of their blind beliefs. Sadly, the same cannot be said of Muslims everywhere.