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Posted: 19 May 2015 at 11:47pm | IP Logged
Who believes JA is true...that show is also fiction with all the trash being dished out constantly...but only the presentation doesn't give rights to call Siyasat or for that matter the book as a historical.
If you think Indu is being honest by first  writing in the story that Rahimi belonged to Rukku and then in the end clearing the air by telling that it belonged to MUZ...then JA is also being honest in putting its anuchit NR disclaimer, every now and then in the show...she clarified in the book point by point what she imagined, which was not there in history and thus the story is fictional...so JA puts disclaimer as a whole lot.

The salim-anar-akbar triangle may not be gross to many of you, but for me it was...the gossip of Salim-Anar love story was also there  without this Akbar love angle...she could have touched upon that...Indu very cleverly tarnished the Mughals here IMO.

Charu is too limited as an actress, she too lacks nuances, if some other actress lacks acting skills it doesn't favour Charu either.

Mandy, all I'm saying is, if you do want to debate things, you have to base facts on historical account, documents, etc. and not fictional novels based on historical, when you get answers in form of references of history books and documents, you have to be ready with your artillery as well...and you do get where I'm pointing to.

Let not this reel, crap of JA blur or demean our sensibilities to the real JA figure that did exist, in what superiority or importance can be contended.

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Posted: 19 May 2015 at 11:55pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by mishtidoi

Who believes JA is true...that show is also fiction with all the trash being dished out constantly...but only the presentation doesn't give rights to call Siyasat or for that matter the book as a historical.
If you think Indu is being honest by first  writing in the story that Rahimi belonged to Rukku and then in the end clearing the air by telling that it belonged to MUZ...then JA is also being honest in putting its anuchit NR disclaimer, every now and then in the show...she clarified in the book point by point what she imagined, which was not there in history and thus the story is fictional...so JA puts disclaimer as a whole lot.

The salim-anar-akbar triangle may not be gross to many of you, but for me it was...the gossip of Salim-Anar love story was also there  without this Akbar love angle...she could have touched upon that...Indu very cleverly tarnished the Mughals here IMO.

Charu is too limited as an actress, she too lacks nuances, if some other actress lacks acting skills it doesn't favour Charu either.

Mandy, all I'm saying is, if you do want to debate things, you have to base facts on historical account, documents, etc. and not fictional novels based on historical, when you get answers in form of references of history books and documents, you have to be ready with your artillery as well...and you do get where I'm pointing to.

Let not this reel, crap of JA blur or demean our sensibilities to the real JA figure that did exist, in what superiority or importance can be contended.


mishti i have read about akbar in details and i have also purchased book of vincent smith, he has amalgamated all the historical facts that he could from relevant sources, therefore i know what i am talking about and as far as indu is concerned she has based her novel on historical facts and taken a lot from jahangirnama and some foreign travelers esp sir thomas roe who traveled around salim noor's rule..she has weaved it into her own words and wrote a novel otherwise if we want word for word narration then there are documentaries! and anar kissa is not even mentioned in the twentieth wife, she mentions it separately in her discussions which are based on historical facts and some tit bits taken from foreign travelers who wrote all the gossip related to love affairs!
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Posted: 19 May 2015 at 11:56pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by shivis18

Originally posted by ghalibmirza

Originally posted by shivis18

I dont think that whAt siyasat showed was gross. Even many other sources too talk abt that akbar caught anar flirting with salim therefore got her killed and salim wasnt shown falling fr her he just wanted revenge but later regretted it. Y to take things so seriously , even if it is fiction, it is logical and if we can tolerate a crap like ja , siyaasat is 100% better than it. And many worse things have been said abt mughal, and the novel has been lenient enough in that aspect ! i find it logical and outstanding though it has certain flaws too ... and charu is doing well , atleast she is natural not plastic.
p.s i love siyaasat so much i just cannot refrain from defending it LOL


shivi ditto!..JA has shown more of a crap than any other show and still people watch it and even relate it to history..which makes me wonder from which angleSilly..indus's trilogy makes so much sense and also she mentions very clearly in her discussions in the end of her book what is fiction and what is documented..not mentioning muz in her writing is what she declared as a fiction as she only wanted to write about ruk and also wrote the ship rahimi belonged to ruk but at the end she clears it by saying the ship belonged to muz but she took the liberty to write it in her own way! at least she is being honest and her narration is much more tolerable and respectable as compared to ektanama!

and i love siyaasat too! its presentation has some class..salim is the hero of that serial but akbar is still maintaining the royal aura and being shown on a pedestal..at least he is not shown in majnugiri mode 24/7!
exactly i think even the fiction she created was keeping in mind the historical events and also she clearly says that its her own interpretation of the love story based on historical references. I did not like the drugging part though that was surely gross... And salim and noors love ke kissas are very old . even i have heard many of them in my childhood itself. I havent heard any famous kissa of jodha and akbar epic lob story... how ignorant i have been LOL


true shivi and the kissa of salim noor fight is also documented and mentioned by indu in her book!
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Posted: 20 May 2015 at 12:08am | IP Logged
Anarkali is a total fiction nd the stories made up was totally on perception. the grave which is claimed to be anarkali tomb its not her but of salim's wife nd parveez's mom sahib e jamal's. Its called anarkali garden bcoz many pomegranate plants were there. From there all the speculations started nd tht was the time where history was exaggerated. If we believe one thing we have to believe everything.

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Posted: 20 May 2015 at 12:16am | IP Logged
at the end i would say jitne muh utni baatein! whether salim anar akbar kissa existed or not..whether jodha akbar love existed or not. whether noor was the only true love of salim or not who knows..only shah jahan's true love for mumtaz is visible in the form of taj mahal the rest we have either read or heard from somewhere and what reliable sources are we talking about...the whole truth was never written..then the translation must have made certain changes and twisted the words to suit their interest and people who read must have interpreted on their own and given proofs suited as per their interest...all i can say is if we were not born to witness what happened in that era and none of us can claim and be 100% correct..and there can never be a complete reliable source as people will write as per their interest or what is best for their clan but still if praises were written about akbar and his administrative policies were ahead of his times then that is indeed true but what is said or even written about his personal life will remain as a mystery as there has been no documentation by akbar in writing that whom he loved the most and whom he had affairs with!
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Posted: 20 May 2015 at 12:44am | IP Logged
well unfortunately many love stories didnt get any footage or popularity bcoz either they were not shahenshah or no taj mahal were built. dara shikoh-ranadil love story is a perfect eg. but not much people know about it. the cruel king auranzeb had also built a mini taj mahal which is called "garib taj mahal" for his 1st wife but its not given much footage of course bcoz of his bad deeds. but interestingly shah jahan also had his share of bad deeds but his taj mahal out shined everything. tragedy is there is a difference b/w popular love story & great love story. who knows who loved who bcoz the fact remains tht many documents were destroyed & those documents were not those stories survived. as per akbar goes he wasnt a manju not bcoz no documents r there, bcoz its common sense. a majnu cant get a whole hindusthan under whole banner. he had lots of work to do & maybe if salim or shah jahan were in the same situation as akbar who knows  salim-noor or khurram-mumtaz love story wouldnt had happened.

P.S.:- the main point of the whole debate is u dont need to believe any research to proof sumthing. certain things can just be known by common sense. like the case of akbar.  

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Posted: 20 May 2015 at 12:54am | IP Logged
tragedy is tht even in famous love stories 2 people get their love & other people suffer without any fault. salim was attracted to sahib e jamal & their marriage was completely by salim's wish but in course of time things got over & sahib e jamal committed suicide but unfortunately her grave is termed as anarkali's grave & fictional love story got popular & sahib's love got lost sumwhere. shah jahan- mumtaz was also a epic love story but shah jahan's 1st wife kandahari begum was totally ignored whereas along with jahanara she was there with khurram till the end. her grave is sumwhere near taj mahal but its totally ignored bcoz she was not the emperor's fav. we feel bad about JA's ruku & abar's other wives but isnt it the same story of sum other epic love stories as well??

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Posted: 20 May 2015 at 12:58am | IP Logged
munni, the love stories will always remain a mystery unless there is a solid proof to prove them but Akbar for sure was more of a practical man and a workaholic whose passion was just to conquer and rule and be known as a fair and just ruler!

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