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Posted: 01 June 2015 at 8:48am | IP Logged
Originally posted by leelaa9

Excellent points, Nita. :)

And Klaus calling Hayley 'queen' seemed to be more about playing her up.
She should have taken that *not* as an expression of her power, and more an expression of her being *not* powerful enough.

I like the Elijah-Hayley chemistry visually, but the Hayley characterization is a child lacking in maturity, quickly and with somewhat unjustified entitlement considering herself in the role of protectress of her wolves and her daughter - without even realizing that non-wolves treated her with soft gloves to avoid offending Elijah and Klaus (and Rebekah).

In terms of power, she was weaker than any of the Mikaelsons, but was in a stronger position than any werewolf because she was considered under the protection of three stronger Mikaelson family-members.

Klaus seemed to consider Hayley as 3 reasons for why he wouldn't handle her like he did other hybrids:

(1) She was the mother of his child. She would have been the only non-sibling non-love to be safe and protected by Klaus for the rest of existence if
- if she had reciprocated his keeping her as absolute and integral mother in their child's life by never trying to keep him away as father from their child, and
- if she had kept Hope as her absolute priority and not allowed Jackson (or Elijah) to be more - or even equally - important in her decisions.

(2) She was the girl his brother loved *and* who loved his brother. If Elijah ever stopped loving her, it would give Klaus much less reason to treat her as extra-special.

(3) Klaus's stalking-horse. Someone that the werewolves would not see as totally Klaus-controlled, because he would keep playing up the 'queen' thing without himself claiming as 'king' (He did in the story to Hope, but only after removing them from hybrid advantage and binding them to wolf status).

With those to whom her being a werewolf leader made no difference, Klaus felt the need to emphasize that she was the mother of his child and therefore under *his* protection.

Basically, Hayley was not Klaus's equal. She's not even Hope's equal.

But not only did she think she and the wolves would get the hybrid advantage with no strings attached, she repeatedly faced off against Klaus as if she could defeat him.

The only reason for Klaus not to kill her was Hope and Elijah.

So she was not repeatedly facing him and surviving as some powerful wolf 'queen', she was benefitting as much as if she had been a normal human girl who was the mother of his child *and* was adored by his brother.

Instead, not only was Hayley uncomprehending of her actual situation, both Jackson and Elijah played up her ignorance with their own adoration.

Jackson chose to delude himself that the advantage of being hybrid was entirely due to Hayley, and compounded his folly by thinking he could go anywhere with Hayley (and therefore Hayley's - and Klaus's - child as well) and not be hunted down by Klaus in life and afterlife.

And Elijah wanted Hayley's happiness without considering the need to stop her in any foolishness, and even gave in and acceded to her pleas sooner or later.
He could chose to sacrifice his own happiness. He miscalculated in assuming he could sacrifice his brother's paternal rights without Klaus retaliating.

Hayley tried to give Hope a life in which Klaus would *never* be a part - effectively trying to make a happy family for herself at Klaus's expense, with the extremely dubious claim that she and Jackson and the hybrids would be able to protect Hope better by being distanced from Klaus (though Klaus was infinitely more competent at strategizing than all of them put together).

Klaus has been less permanently harsh with Hayley than she was with him, and has formulated a life in which Hayley might have at least one night every month to be in Hope's life as her daughter's mother - though presumably not in the near-future.


Well said Clap
In TO S2, there were two instances where people made it clear on Hayley's face that all the importance and protection she gets is because of Mikaelsons
Finn tried to kill her and was very much successful in it because Klaus wasn't there to protect her and Finn did not care about Klaus enough to be bothered about killing his child's mother.
Marcel told her on her face that if something happens to her, their heads will be in trouble by Elijah and Klaus which basically translates to: ''Look! Don't act like someone you are not because if something (surely) happens to you, we will be in trouble with Klaus" LOL

In fact even in season finale, Hayley owns her and whole of pathetic pack's life to Klaus because had he not turned them into wolves Dahlia would have killed them all without getting 'skinned alive' by Queen of Mutts! Angry

Now i'm dreading to see her in season 3 cry about how cruel and monstrous Klaus is to curse her whole pack! Dead She will go on and on blabbering about it without realizing that she is alive to say these words because of Klaus because his beloved Aunt Dahlia knows very well how to kill someone without getting 'skinned alive' by some pathetic pack of mutts! Star

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Posted: 03 June 2015 at 4:04am | IP Logged
Originally posted by leelaa9

Excellent points, Nita. :)

And Klaus calling Hayley 'queen' seemed to be more about playing her up.
She should have taken that *not* as an expression of her power, and more an expression of her being *not* powerful enough.I agree with you on this. He just played her so that she would take charge of the werewolves and help him. Well she did the opposite. 


I like the Elijah-Hayley chemistry visually, but the Hayley characterization is a child lacking in maturity, quickly and with somewhat unjustified entitlement considering herself in the role of protectress of her wolves and her daughter - without even realizing that non-wolves treated her with soft gloves to avoid offending Elijah and Klaus (and Rebekah). That's the simple fact I wish hayley would understand. She is safe because of the mikaelsons backing her and not werewolves know not to get on mikaelsons bad side. 

In terms of power, she was weaker than any of the Mikaelsons, but was in a stronger position than any werewolf because she was considered under the protection of three stronger Mikaelson family-members.

Klaus seemed to consider Hayley as 3 reasons for why he wouldn't handle her like he did other hybrids:

(1) She was the mother of his child. She would have been the only non-sibling non-love to be safe and protected by Klaus for the rest of existence if
- if she had reciprocated his keeping her as absolute and integral mother in their child's life by never trying to keep him away as father from their child, and
- if she had kept Hope as her absolute priority and not allowed Jackson (or Elijah) to be more - or even equally - important in her decisions. Nothing to add to that,those are my exact thoughts. 

(2) She was the girl his brother loved *and* who loved his brother. If Elijah ever stopped loving her, it would give Klaus much less reason to treat her as extra-special.everyone thinks klaus doesn't give a thought about his siblings happiness but in reality he does. He approved of matt and even marcel. He supported elijah eventhough marrying hayley would make him hope stepfather. Inspire of his insecurities about hope might like elijah more he supported haylijah. 

(3) Klaus's stalking-horse. Someone that the werewolves would not see as totally Klaus-controlled, because he would keep playing up the 'queen' thing without himself claiming as 'king' (He did in the story to Hope, but only after removing them from hybrid advantage and binding them to wolf status).

With those to whom her being a werewolf leader made no difference, Klaus felt the need to emphasize that she was the mother of his child and therefore under *his* protection.

Basically, Hayley was not Klaus's equal. She's not even Hope's equal.

But not only did she think she and the wolves would get the hybrid advantage with no strings attached, she repeatedly faced off against Klaus as if she could defeat him. Yep she is thinking way too high of her werewolf status when In reality klaus and the mikaelsons are her real power. Everytime she goes against klaus like she could beat him it the most comical scenes i even saw.


The only reason for Klaus not to kill her was Hope and Elijah.

So she was not repeatedly facing him and surviving as some powerful wolf 'queen', she was benefitting as much as if she had been a normal human girl who was the mother of his child *and* was adored by his brother.

Instead, not only was Hayley uncomprehending of her actual situation, both Jackson and Elijah played up her ignorance with their own adoration. 

Jackson chose to delude himself that the advantage of being hybrid was entirely due to Hayley, and compounded his folly by thinking he could go anywhere with Hayley (and therefore Hayley's - and Klaus's - child as well) and not be hunted down by Klaus in life and afterlife.I understand jackson no brain actions because he has no brain but what about elijah. Klaus hunted Katherine because she decided to save herself and not die per klaus wish LOLso how much more will he hunt hayley for trying to take away his only hope for happiness named hope LOL

And Elijah wanted Hayley's happiness without considering the need to stop her in any foolishness, and even gave in and acceded to her pleas sooner or later.
He could chose to sacrifice his own happiness. He miscalculated in assuming he could sacrifice his brother's paternal rights without Klaus retaliating.Elijah did miscalculated klaus. The one who could understand klaus would definitely love hope even before she was born when he first heard about it. Suddenly thinks it okay to give away hope to hayley and klaus wouldn't mind.


Hayley tried to give Hope a life in which Klaus would *never* be a part - effectively trying to make a happy family for herself at Klaus's expense, with the extremely dubious claim that she and Jackson and the hybrids would be able to protect Hope better by being distanced from Klaus (though Klaus was infinitely more competent at strategizing than all of them put together).

Klaus has been less permanently harsh with Hayley than she was with him, and has formulated a life in which Hayley might have at least one night every month to be in Hope's life as her daughter's mother - though presumably not in the near-future.


Hayley was stupid and selfish too the core. Her actions will get everyone killed. She left hope with a old woman to go save her hubby. What more needs to be said about her 


But i am dreading that season 3 will turn her into a saint facing klaus unjust wrath


Edited by NitaMikealson - 03 June 2015 at 4:09am

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Posted: 03 June 2015 at 4:14am | IP Logged
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Originally posted by leelaa9

Excellent points, Nita. :)

And Klaus calling Hayley 'queen' seemed to be more about playing her up.
She should have taken that *not* as an expression of her power, and more an expression of her being *not* powerful enough.

I like the Elijah-Hayley chemistry visually, but the Hayley characterization is a child lacking in maturity, quickly and with somewhat unjustified entitlement considering herself in the role of protectress of her wolves and her daughter - without even realizing that non-wolves treated her with soft gloves to avoid offending Elijah and Klaus (and Rebekah).

In terms of power, she was weaker than any of the Mikaelsons, but was in a stronger position than any werewolf because she was considered under the protection of three stronger Mikaelson family-members.

Klaus seemed to consider Hayley as 3 reasons for why he wouldn't handle her like he did other hybrids:

(1) She was the mother of his child. She would have been the only non-sibling non-love to be safe and protected by Klaus for the rest of existence if
- if she had reciprocated his keeping her as absolute and integral mother in their child's life by never trying to keep him away as father from their child, and
- if she had kept Hope as her absolute priority and not allowed Jackson (or Elijah) to be more - or even equally - important in her decisions.

(2) She was the girl his brother loved *and* who loved his brother. If Elijah ever stopped loving her, it would give Klaus much less reason to treat her as extra-special.

(3) Klaus's stalking-horse. Someone that the werewolves would not see as totally Klaus-controlled, because he would keep playing up the 'queen' thing without himself claiming as 'king' (He did in the story to Hope, but only after removing them from hybrid advantage and binding them to wolf status).

With those to whom her being a werewolf leader made no difference, Klaus felt the need to emphasize that she was the mother of his child and therefore under *his* protection.

Basically, Hayley was not Klaus's equal. She's not even Hope's equal.

But not only did she think she and the wolves would get the hybrid advantage with no strings attached, she repeatedly faced off against Klaus as if she could defeat him.

The only reason for Klaus not to kill her was Hope and Elijah.

So she was not repeatedly facing him and surviving as some powerful wolf 'queen', she was benefitting as much as if she had been a normal human girl who was the mother of his child *and* was adored by his brother.

Instead, not only was Hayley uncomprehending of her actual situation, both Jackson and Elijah played up her ignorance with their own adoration.

Jackson chose to delude himself that the advantage of being hybrid was entirely due to Hayley, and compounded his folly by thinking he could go anywhere with Hayley (and therefore Hayley's - and Klaus's - child as well) and not be hunted down by Klaus in life and afterlife.

And Elijah wanted Hayley's happiness without considering the need to stop her in any foolishness, and even gave in and acceded to her pleas sooner or later.
He could chose to sacrifice his own happiness. He miscalculated in assuming he could sacrifice his brother's paternal rights without Klaus retaliating.

Hayley tried to give Hope a life in which Klaus would *never* be a part - effectively trying to make a happy family for herself at Klaus's expense, with the extremely dubious claim that she and Jackson and the hybrids would be able to protect Hope better by being distanced from Klaus (though Klaus was infinitely more competent at strategizing than all of them put together).

Klaus has been less permanently harsh with Hayley than she was with him, and has formulated a life in which Hayley might have at least one night every month to be in Hope's life as her daughter's mother - though presumably not in the near-future.


Well said Clap
In TO S2, there were two instances where people made it clear on Hayley's face that all the importance and protection she gets is because of Mikaelsons
Finn tried to kill her and was very much successful in it because Klaus wasn't there to protect her and Finn did not care about Klaus enough to be bothered about killing his child's mother.
Marcel told her on her face that if something happens to her, their heads will be in trouble by Elijah and Klaus which basically translates to: ''Look! Don't act like someone you are not because if something (surely) happens to you, we will be in trouble with Klaus" LOL

In fact even in season finale, Hayley owns her and whole of pathetic pack's life to Klaus because had he not turned them into wolves Dahlia would have killed them all without getting 'skinned alive' by Queen of Mutts! Angry

Now i'm dreading to see her in season 3 cry about how cruel and monstrous Klaus is to curse her whole pack! Dead She will go on and on blabbering about it without realizing that she is alive to say these words because of Klaus because his beloved Aunt Dahlia knows very well how to kill someone without getting 'skinned alive' by some pathetic pack of mutts! Star

Klaus choose the most safest way to solve dahlia issue eventhough I wish he didn't kill Gia. 

But hayley will still claim she and her useless pack could have defeated dahlia if klaus didn't interfere. 

He saved her but they will make him the bad guy LOL

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even i didnt like that klaus kill gia...i was happy that elaijah was moving on

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Posted: 07 June 2015 at 6:02am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Echo.of.Hope

even i didnt like that klaus kill gia...i was happy that elaijah was moving on

We can't have ship wars if the fans actually prefer the male lead with side character then the so called female lead.

So once we ship some male lead with girls like Rose for damon, geneive for klaus, Gia for elijah then it a given the writers will kill them soon. 

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Posted: 07 June 2015 at 8:45am | IP Logged
Originally posted by NitaMikealson

Originally posted by Echo.of.Hope

even i didnt like that klaus kill gia...i was happy that elaijah was moving on

We can't have ship wars if the fans actually prefer the male lead with side character then the so called female lead.

So once we ship some male lead with girls like Rose for damon, geneive for klaus, Gia for elijah then it a given the writers will kill them soon. 


thats actually sad...i mean the gia one...they could have made her a semi lead at least...she was marcel's right hand 

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Posted: 07 June 2015 at 2:33pm | IP Logged
Yep she could hve been left alive :-( 

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Posted: 09 June 2015 at 11:26am | IP Logged
Originally posted by NitaMikealson

Yep she could hve been left alive :-( 

with her gone who'll be VP of new orlean's vamp clan?

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