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Posted: 29 January 2014 at 2:03pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

Read this:
http://aamaadmipartyloksabha2014.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/2014-india-general-elections-what-are.html

  1. FUDGING THE NUMBERS: Claim : In last 10 years, the agriculture growth rate of Gujarat is higher than every other state in the country. 
      Source : Planning Commission report: State wise Agriculture sector development.
    As we can see, Gujarat stands at 6th position in the list of top performing states in Agricultural growth. 

    Just see the kind of improvement, the top 5 states have shown, on an average of 300% compared to mere 15% growth of Gujarat over the 10 years period of comparison.

    If you consider only last 10 years performance, even small states like Jharkhand have completely out performed Gujarat.

    How lame and baseless are the claims , that Gujarat's agricultural growth rate is higher than every other state in last 10 years, when statistics show a completely different picture?

  2. FUDGING THE NUMBERS #2: The state's share in investment intentions in terms of IEMs ( Industrial Entrepreneur Memorandum), letters of intent (LOIs) and Direct Investment Licences (DILs) has declined from early 20's in percentage in  2005 to less than 10 % in 2011. 

    If this is the case, how did he even manage to get MOM signed of such insane amount ?

    Well it's simple, he shells out crores to the US lobbying firm "APCO Worldwide" just for this job.

    He is allegedly getting image make over service from this PR firm at the expense of tax payers money.







FUDGING FACTS: Modi claims that 25 lakh jobs were generated in 2009, thanks to vibrant Gujarat 2009 and said it'll generate 52 lakh jobs in 2011.

Planning Commission Employment report, page no 126, suggests that, number of people employed in major sectors has come down from 25.3 million in 2004-05 to 24.65 million in 2009-10.

I mean. I think something is wrong with this world. Maybe this is all propaganda, eh. I am including the links for your perusal Modi-fans.
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Came across this stuff on a site whose link I've provided at the top. Got provided this link by somebody on FB while arguing over Modi phenomenon. Any comments? Are these figures creditable?

PAAPTards as usual have stuff here that is internally inconsistent and contradictory, not to say irrelevant. Why is agricultural growth rates even an issue?LOL  Economists believe that urbanization holds the key to higher producing jobs (eg China) for countries such as India, and the PAAPI party is stuck on charkha and agriculture? Agriculture is a commodity product with very little value add. Now iff you look at page 136, you will see that Gujarat has shifted towards industrial employment, and that is both a good thing and an impressive thing given that they were already one of the more industrialized states. Also, for those of you who dont understand the importance of industrialization, just see how Shehzada Gandhi is also talking of creating 100mm jobs in manufacturing...

As for growth rates, sure, Bihar could possibly have grown at the fastest rate. It's because it's easier to have higher percentages when the denominator is miniscule. Remember they are starting off from a small base, that's how much of a bimaru state they have been. Think of it this way. At even a 3% growth rate, the US adds around 450 billion dollars a year to GDP. At even a 10% rate, India would add only 200 billion. 

also, the same report (page 126) suggests Bihar lost employment. Now how is that possible with all the high growth rates they are professed to have had. I mean, do people even check their work for internal consistency?LOL

coming to MOMs, it does not speak to the size of the projects. One hige project that creates a 100K jobs is any day better than 10 projects that add 10 jobs each. See what i mean?

so basically, these reports are produced by a bunch of sorry characters who cant even check their own work. It's dangerous for the country to have a PAAP party that will rely on such facts/ misinformation. Talk of being misguided and of misguiding people.

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Posted: 29 January 2014 at 8:19pm | IP Logged
Kejriwal's interview with Rajdeep Sardesai of CNN-IBN

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Posted: 31 January 2014 at 3:27am | IP Logged
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Posted: 31 January 2014 at 8:47am | IP Logged
Originally posted by charminggenie

@Mr Bird, always so eloquent .Hope you allow me few bits to cover before I do justice to your argument. 

There was, is and never will be a possibility where AAP can be a direct or even an indirect challenge to Namo challenge in 2014. That is a fact, so any theory in favor of or against AK as a PM opposition to Modi is mute. 

Second, as I repeatedly say it is too early for AAP to have a coherent economic or national policy. They were not expected to be on a National scene , heck even in Delhi , till few months. But now since they have formed Delhi govt, they would need some LS might (10-20 seats)  to establish their credibility as a party. Their agenda will be sustainability rather than governance. I don't say vote for that but to dismiss them entirely, is being too elites. Especially when you have a red carpet welcome for MNS or Akhilesh. That is my main issue.

Realistically Modi will be a happy man with 200-220 in his basket and AAP will breathe easy with something in double digit. It's the congress votes which are going to be split, if AAP performs well. BJP's vote bank is safe and locked, so if it cannot win all the seats of Cong , why should it have a prob if few go to AAP. Here, I would even criticize AAP for touted this AK vs Modi too much, there is no contest and will only give them a negative mileage. 

I would give you the point on raids , that was uncalled and ill-managed. 

Subsidiaries- Very Interesting, before we dwell further here, the total expenditure is around 200 Cr ( very less compared to few states where this much is spend on annual b'days, parks, statues, flying). Out of that 160 Cr is expected to be recovered by first CAG audit. Another BJP themselves promised the same subsidiary in their elections agenda. Hmm I wonder how were they going to do  that?  

National Policy/Kashmir. Oh read the increasing anti-India stand among locals and see the insurgency that is sparked by all political parties. The Parliament has failed them from time and again, we have to accept. Even in BJP I am sure there are varied difference of opinion in terms of policies, but because they are an old party and have the tact to deal with it, they get the pass. AAP too young to learn the trick of setting a gag order 

FDI - AAP has no black or white take on FDI, they are still undecided. As respect to their decision about Delhi, I too felt that AK made a mistake. But then take a look at Delhi , is their logistically space for FDI retail. There seems to be a market saturation and holding off the core players would become difficult. FDI retail in itself doesn't guarantee you success . India hasn't handled FDI in insurance or in mutual funds well.  FDI retail is all about supply chain. Till the governance is not matched by equal transparency and assures that FDI means introducing technology to the economy , there is more chance of failure . Walmart won't be coming in with a big wand from Hogwarts. Bring FDI when you have right intent and there is more clarity which seemed to be lacking at the national level, right now. Maybe Modi will change that and I hope he does, but that remains speculative for now , as does  AAP's economic policy.

Hey RBS or not, she is a fellow banker, go easy on her will ya? Well all I did say was there is a growing argument about FDI in AAP itself and a lot of Pro-development people have taken on the economic front for them. Now can we give them time and hear them out after LS polls to fully deduce their economic stand.

Aha, I get it , you don't trust them much as they seem to target Gujarat. Well, they are doing it simply to further their campaign. They won't gain much by going against Rahul, he is out of race. So it becomes a default choice for them to have a narrative against Modi, if they want to manage a LS campaign. You would go against the topper in the class rather then the back-bencher , if you want to improve your scorecard. 

Mr Bird, I get and share your sentiments when it comes to economy and what is the need of the hour. But that again doesn't justify the diss against AK who is trying to create a space by eliminating BSP, SP and Cong. Those votes were never going to BJP, for whatever reason. Hence I prefer a newcomer than a tainted and corrupt failed political alliance who had years to prove their time. Too much to ask?

Anarchy for me is the riots in UP, 1984,2002, Akhilesh Yadav, Shiv Sena's toll tax damage, BSP's self serving and Cong dynasty policy.

AK should be given a chance to breed his politics, it neither does divide the country nor does it steal the money (atleast till now).  I would rather have a tax man in the mix then a politician ruling the roast from Jail.





i think what's going on is class warfare, with every party except a BJP-led Modi pandering to the lower classes. Kejriwal in his short stint has proved he is no different. Our country cannot afford to be run on subsidies. Even the lower classes are worse off ULTIMATELY/ in the long run for it. It causes deficit spending, leads to inflation etc which hits them the hardest. As it is, a 1 or 2% of the population pays any taxes. We need to be widening the tax/ revenue collection base, not giving even more handouts.

the talk of reservations from AAP etc is more of that populist stuff and a terrible idea. We had VP Singh who with his Mandal commission left a bad legacy of reservations that we are still dealing with. Kejriwal sounds a lot like him, seemingly honest and upright but cuckoo in terms of ideology. 

i also think there's unfortunately a strong chance the NDA might not come to power because of AAP. In current opinion polls that are projecting BJP at around 210 seats (and that assume they will be able to cobble together a coalition), they have AAP at only 11 seats. It's almost certainly going to be higher than 11. It will be at the expense of BJP from here on, because the congress do not have too many seats to be lost any more. As was the case in Delhi, if AAP gets even something like 20 to 30 seats, we can have really weird outcomes play out, with APP coming to power with Congress/ third front support. Disaster in the making!

right now, the AAP part seems more like a grievance addressal party. They are tinkering around with little things like water meters, sounding more like technicians than able managers. One does not promote technicians with that limited world view into a CEO role... that would be a disaster for any organization, and it would be a disaster for india. You need big vision, good implementation skills and honest/ clean government. There's no point having a leader like Kejriwal who might claim to be honest but who leads people like sheep over the cliffs..

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Posted: 31 January 2014 at 9:07am | IP Logged
so basically birdie, you're saying the next deve gowda is kejriwal?

but dude, didnt u just say it yourself?

theres a huge amt of parties pandering to the lower classes! mega vote split! and we have a popular capitalist leader. this isnt like the vp singh era where bjp itself was a socialist party. they are better established now.. so i think we will have bjp getting close to 240 all thanks to AAP! aap doesnt steal bjp's votes much.. and LS segment wise, bjp got 5 out of 7 LS seats!

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