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Posted: 10 years ago
Originally posted by: charminggenie



Great is very subjective , some of his reforms are too far fetched and speculative. Foreign policies - would you please, Mr Bird, introduce  his thoughts on Kashmir, Afghan, South Asia and Asean, yet to read a speech about them. When you are at it , where does his personal equation standard wrt to White House stand.
For now undoubtedly he is the PM candidate, there is just no opposition to him. As the leader of the next bit National Party, his views are culmination of years of ideology. With no contest in sight, whatever he says is a plus point. And against Rahul led Cong , I will side with him. 

You mean the Namo and shezada has been devoid of social media pyaar. None of it matters, he is sailing through all the way, thanks to Cong self goal. 


Oh Mr Birdie, a history lesson gone wrong. Charkha was a thing of 20th century. And 19th was famous for the First War Independence (1857), that gotta be some back-handed compliment to AAP. Mira Sanyal , ex RBS head India, is leading their committee on economic policies. It has enough Wall Street power to keep it away from 1960s debacle. Have faith in fellow bankers, will you, to formulate the basic economic structure of this new and young party?


I supported them because they don't have an ideology inked with blood. They are making rookie mistakes in hopes of staying relevant LS polls. I won't judge their integrity or their governance till that point. Especially if you want the voter to overlook the past discretions of the two major National Parties. I like how we have ignored the protests of Shiv Sena, MNS , Telengana party, SP , BSP over the years.


Game is simple. NaMo is leading and most prob will form the govt. I am interested in watching who joins his team when the final tally is announced. I would rather see AAP as his main opposition that Rahul who is leading the fall to the doom for Cong. Too much to ask? I just don't understand why is BJP getting so uneasy with that situation? Shouldn't it be happy that with AAP cutting down Cong votes, it's main opposition will loose face in LS polls.  



in the ideal world, i would like to see a Modi-led NDA get 300 seats. I could accept an AAP with 242 if they really are that corruption free (and that's questionable imo), and the rest 0. But since that's not happening, i dont want a bunch of AAP clowns that you're asking me to trust to get seats that would deny NDA a ruling majority.

so far, AAP is batting 0 for 3. Leadership requires setting priorities, not acting like chickens with their head cut off chasing the first complaint they get (and i am talking about the midnight cowboy raid). There was so much time and energy expended on that nonsense, and they managed to piss off the African countries. They should have gone after the Vadras of the world, not dilute it by going after the small fish. If you look at the US, they always go after the king pins but these AAP characters are too small-minded to know that. 

Then they also got the free water and electricity subsidies wrong. We need to use our resources to create productive capacity, not fritter it away on subsidies that dont help anyone long run. And they got their vote against FDI wrong. We need FDI, not a bunch of bozos who are against. To understand that, just look at free trade zones which do well for the host states and where the deal is not even as good as the one we had gotten from Walmart. China has encouraged the Walmarts of the world and we cant even learn from that? 

So what we already see are AAP's socialist leanings. But now you are asking us to place trust on Mira Sanyal. Who the eff is she? She did her MBA from France, a bastion of left-wing welfare spending nuts. People like her come and go on Wall Street. She is also RBS, seems like someone who couldn't do better.

look i was possibly fine with AAP till the point they were talking about corruption. But it gets to be a bit too much to swallow when they try to use their credibility on that plank to now pretend as if they know anything about creating economic prosperity. And they now want to talk down Modi's Gujrat story? I mean where the hell are these fkuckers coming from. Today it's corruption, tomorrow it's economics, theird day it's how the Army effed up.  

India is at a precarious position where we cant afford to eff up on economic policies. Corruption costs the country something like 0.5% by economist's estimates. Bad economic policies cost far more. If you cant get the economic policies right, you'll always have poverty. And when you have poor cops and aam admi and judges who dont get paid enough, no kejriwal will get them off corruption. People have to be well off that the economic incentives for corruption are reduced. That of course will not eradicate corruption but it will go a long way in rooting it out from the general populace.

finally, we have a demographic advantage in the fact that our population is young. But that can turn into a nightmare if we dont create jobs and bring in the trillions in foreign investment. We cant afford to experiment while the demographic clock is running and our youth grow older. We have a time window and we just need to grow fast... Else we will have anarchy. No kejriwal or AAP will convince the guy who is starving to not steal or be corrupt or turn maoist if they are not doing well. 

as for markets and economy, just think what would happen if a kejriwal comes to power. Markets will tank. Rupee will tank, and that would mean imported inflation. RBI would have to raise rates even more to curtail that inflation, resulting in job losses etc, further losses in tax collection, further deficits and a spiralling of the rupee/ stock market situation... 

also, various AAP leaders have made a lot of anti-nationalist statements when it comes to their positions on Kashmir, the Army etc. As for Modi, i think he's more interested in repealing 372 which would be a great thing. I'd also not be bothered about the US. They'll come around if they saw a deal to be had. They've given up on India for now because we havent delivered on FDI and other aspects.

So coming to AAP, we just cant afford to be fiddling around with these sorry bozos. At every critical moment in our nation's history, we have had the jai chands who have come along to confuse/ divide/ obfuscate/ muddy waters. We squandered every good opportunity we had. We cant afford to any more by going with a bunch of green tinpots in AAP. Before they are through, they would have undermined every democratic institution. So if i really wanted to have a guy who'd be a dictator, i'd go for the army, not a kejriwal whose only success in life previously was inspecting taxes!



Edited by BirdieNumNum - 10 years ago
Posted: 10 years ago
Whoever it is, I hope they don't make Subhramaniam Swami a Union minister. The guy gives me the creeps.

Birdie: C'mon credit where its due..He did read out individual Swiss bank accounts of all Congress/BJP MPs and Mins when he was still testing waters. πŸ˜† He did kick the Big Fish all the time before getting to the kursi. πŸ˜›Edited by krystal_watz - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
@Mr Bird, always so eloquent .Hope you allow me few bits to cover before I do justice to your argument. 

There was, is and never will be a possibility where AAP can be a direct or even an indirect challenge to Namo challenge in 2014. That is a fact, so any theory in favor of or against AK as a PM opposition to Modi is mute. 

Second, as I repeatedly say it is too early for AAP to have a coherent economic or national policy. They were not expected to be on a National scene , heck even in Delhi , till few months. But now since they have formed Delhi govt, they would need some LS might (10-20 seats)  to establish their credibility as a party. Their agenda will be sustainability rather than governance. I don't say vote for that but to dismiss them entirely, is being too elites. Especially when you have a red carpet welcome for MNS or Akhilesh. That is my main issue.

Realistically Modi will be a happy man with 200-220 in his basket and AAP will breathe easy with something in double digit. It's the congress votes which are going to be split, if AAP performs well. BJP's vote bank is safe and locked, so if it cannot win all the seats of Cong , why should it have a prob if few go to AAP. Here, I would even criticize AAP for touted this AK vs Modi too much, there is no contest and will only give them a negative mileage. 

I would give you the point on raids , that was uncalled and ill-managed. 

Subsidiaries- Very Interesting, before we dwell further here, the total expenditure is around 200 Cr ( very less compared to few states where this much is spend on annual b'days, parks, statues, flying). Out of that 160 Cr is expected to be recovered by first CAG audit. Another BJP themselves promised the same subsidiary in their elections agenda. Hmm I wonder how were they going to do  that?  

National Policy/Kashmir. Oh read the increasing anti-India stand among locals and see the insurgency that is sparked by all political parties. The Parliament has failed them from time and again, we have to accept. Even in BJP I am sure there are varied difference of opinion in terms of policies, but because they are an old party and have the tact to deal with it, they get the pass. AAP too young to learn the trick of setting a gag order 

FDI - AAP has no black or white take on FDI, they are still undecided. As respect to their decision about Delhi, I too felt that AK made a mistake. But then take a look at Delhi , is their logistically space for FDI retail. There seems to be a market saturation and holding off the core players would become difficult. FDI retail in itself doesn't guarantee you success . India hasn't handled FDI in insurance or in mutual funds well.  FDI retail is all about supply chain. Till the governance is not matched by equal transparency and assures that FDI means introducing technology to the economy , there is more chance of failure . Walmart won't be coming in with a big wand from Hogwarts. Bring FDI when you have right intent and there is more clarity which seemed to be lacking at the national level, right now. Maybe Modi will change that and I hope he does, but that remains speculative for now , as does  AAP's economic policy.

Hey RBS or not, she is a fellow banker, go easy on her will ya? Well all I did say was there is a growing argument about FDI in AAP itself and a lot of Pro-development people have taken on the economic front for them. Now can we give them time and hear them out after LS polls to fully deduce their economic stand.

Aha, I get it , you don't trust them much as they seem to target Gujarat. Well, they are doing it simply to further their campaign. They won't gain much by going against Rahul, he is out of race. So it becomes a default choice for them to have a narrative against Modi, if they want to manage a LS campaign. You would go against the topper in the class rather then the back-bencher , if you want to improve your scorecard. 

Mr Bird, I get and share your sentiments when it comes to economy and what is the need of the hour. But that again doesn't justify the diss against AK who is trying to create a space by eliminating BSP, SP and Cong. Those votes were never going to BJP, for whatever reason. Hence I prefer a newcomer than a tainted and corrupt failed political alliance who had years to prove their time. Too much to ask?

Anarchy for me is the riots in UP, 1984,2002, Akhilesh Yadav, Shiv Sena's toll tax damage, BSP's self serving and Cong dynasty policy.

AK should be given a chance to breed his politics, it neither does divide the country nor does it steal the money (atleast till now).  I would rather have a tax man in the mix then a politician ruling the roast from Jail.




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Posted: 10 years ago
@oh on S.Swamy, you think his no tax policy holds the water? Is it practical enough for immediate implementation? 
Posted: 10 years ago
Genie: The trouble is that while the likes of MNS and SS are considered massy goons and Congress is seen as a deplorable failure, AAP was/is looked upon as a harbinger of change. So its only natural that they are expected to be "a breath of fresh air" in mass terms. πŸ˜†
Hell, bank transaction tax is a good idea. Ramdev and Swamy are both kooks, but they managed to spring a good idea with this one. It'll help control evasion up to 90%, methinks. Also, it'll be much less costly than the various direct and indirect taxing systems we have now. Unless of course, the rich folks start stashing away bags of cash underground to escape taxing. πŸ˜› Thought of in that way, it'll mean less Antilia towers and back to good ol' austerity. πŸ˜† Let's see, will have to wait for details on this.Edited by krystal_watz - 10 years ago
Posted: 10 years ago
Media and the papers  are blaming AAP and not vice versa. If Arvind kejriwal had asked for a big bungalow and and done nothing and repeated the lines that many of the politicians do that" enquiry will be conducted and police is doing its work", WOULD THAT HAVE MADE HIM A GOOD CM? just because he took the initiative to do someting for the state, everybody is hounding him. Doesn't he deserve better?
  AAP is being criticised a lot for everything  and even I don't support it for their dharnas but it is time we acknowledge its true worth and  good intentions. This is the first time someone wants to make a difference actually to our state and instead of being judgmental ,we should motivate them. 
Sagarpur dowry victim would have been just another victim in police records had women & child dev minister Rakhi Birla not got involved.
People are over reacting because kejriwal is doing more than necessary work, but isn't it better than doing nothing. The reason we chose AAP over BJP and congress was so that it works hard and now we are blaming it when it is doing so. Aren't we hypocrites? 
Posted: 10 years ago
^^They are overstepping legal boundaries and embarassing the constitutional posts. "Not doing anything" is as bad as "doing everything you aren't supposed to that'll bring you down and change nothing in the long run".
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Posted: 10 years ago
Kejriwal re-tweet:  "Stuck between a moron and a murderer...what now, India!?"πŸ˜†
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Posted: 10 years ago
Originally posted by: Vinzy

Kejriwal re-tweet:  "Stuck between a moron and a murderer...what now, India!?"πŸ˜†


Original handle is Vishal Dadlani ... probably he's lacking work, how can he was free during 9-10 PM, when Pritam has insufficient sleep due to work-loadπŸ˜‰
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Posted: 10 years ago
BJP's reaction while watching Rahul's interviewπŸ˜†