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@Suman7,i will answer ur questions one by one.
 
SAB DHARMO K BHEDON SE NYARE AMAR HAI GITA KE BOL SAARE ... It is said... tu mera sharnagat hoza, main har paap se mukti dunga ,
shok na kar meri bhakti mein khoja...
 
It means if u leave all da sansarik maya,ur relationships and do only bhakti of God wid true devotion all da time,den God will forgive u 4 all da sins u hv done and u will attain moksha.dis sansar is full of hatred,pains and troubles.u will never get true happiness in sansar.u will get true happiness by only doing bhakti of God.dis sansarik happiness or materialistic pleasures r temporary whereas spiritual happiness is permanent.
Yes,Lord Krishna had indeed showed his vishwa roop 2 Arjun after he wished 2 see dat.In da Bhagavat Geeta which i hv,dere's a painting of Krishna's vishwa roop.
In Vishnu Puran,Vishnu is told 2 be more important dan oder Gods.In Shiv Puran,Shiv is said 2 be more important and in Devi Puran,Devi Adishakti is said 2 be more important.Each book has given more importance 2 it's respective God but i feel all da Gods r equally important.No one is more greater or powerful dan anyone.

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Thnk u for reply...bt which is true story...
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Generally for Purana's stories references are found at different places so we can varify & know what is nearly true. Mahavidya's field is kept secretive fearing it's misuse, so ther is no other way to find out which is the correct version. Those who doesn't believe in her being a widow may follow the Markamdeya Purana version. I personally don't like this depiction of widow.  

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Posted: 20 June 2012 at 5:57am | IP Logged
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Originally posted by foram.

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Hey i read in dis forum dat shiv interrupted in parvati's privacy.so my question is did dis was the same case with sati too?becoz in dkdm they showed shiv respected sati's privacy.and if he respected sati so why he was interrupting in parvati's privacy???


As for the series, they are not following the original story at all.

Are you referring to the events that led to Parvati creating Ganesh?

yes can u explain?


Will try my best Smile

I keep saying this to anyone who posts similar doubts - if you want to know what really happened, I'd suggest reading the original texts or their authentic translations.

This series shows a very different story.

Sati chose Shiva as her husband during her Swayamvara against her father's wishes. After the wedding, Daksha told her to go without his blessings and get out of his sight. She went away to Kailash with her husband - no escorts, no maids, no companions, etc.

I don't know if Sati had any female company in Kailash - perhaps the wives of ganas if any but as far as I've read, nothing is mentioned about it.

Of course, Shiva would have provided whatever she needed but female company Ermm - don't think so...


Parvati, on the other hand left her home for Kailash with all she needed (provided by her parents). She even had two companions - Jaya and Vijaya.

Once, in Kailash, Parvati wanted to take a bath. She left Shiva ganas as guards (some stories say at the entrance of a cave but others say it was a lake and she left the ganas as guards at a distance) to prevent anyone from entering. She told them not to let anyone enter. But when Lord Shiva himself came to meet Parvati, the ganas could not stop him. Shiva said 'I'm Parvati's husband and you dare stop me?' Fearing their Lord's anger, they stood aside and let Him in.

When Lord Shiva reached Parvati, He found her bathing with her companions. Jaya and Vijaya were totally embarrassed on Lord Shiva and realising that they weren't presentable. Lord Shiva turned and left (embarrassed on intruding). Jaya and Vijaya commented that though Parvati was was a goddess, she doesn't have anyone who will guard/protect her at all times. The ganas always follow Lord Shiva and will not do anything against Him. There is no one for Parvati who will guard her privacy which led to Parvati creating Ganesh.

The scene was portrayed well in Ganesh Leela and I think, Om Namah Shivaya too.

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The ACK Ganesh, if you recall, showed Nandi unable to say anything, and when Shiva walked in Parvati was furious that he came in w/o clearance.  Shiva was not embarrassed - he was pretty amused LOL @ the idea of Nandi ignoring Parvati's wishes or Parvati being in her bathing clothes.  I'm trying to recall - was it Jaya & Vijaya who instigated her to create Ganesh?

One thing I've wondered - why couldn't she just summon Kartikeya, and order him to keep guard, and fire Nandi & Bhrigni?  It's true that in the ensuing battle, Kartikeya was among those who Ganesh battled, but @ least, give Kartikeya an option to test his loyalties?

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Originally posted by .Vrish.



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The ACK Ganesh, if you recall, showed Nandi unable to say anything, and when Shiva walked in Parvati was furious that he came in w/o clearance.  Shiva was not embarrassed - he was pretty amused LOL @ the idea of Nandi ignoring Parvati's wishes or Parvati being in her bathing clothes.  I'm trying to recall - was it Jaya & Vijaya who instigated her to create Ganesh?

One thing I've wondered - why couldn't she just summon Kartikeya, and order him to keep guard, and fire Nandi & Bhrigni?  It's true that in the ensuing battle, Kartikeya was among those who Ganesh battled, but @ least, give Kartikeya an option to test his loyalties?


I haven't read ACK's Ganesh. The stories I know are from other books. Embarrassed

But yes, there are some versions which say Shiva was amused. As far as I can recall, Parvati left Nandi and Bhringi (makes me wonder why he isn't around in DkDM) to keep guard till she was out.

 There are a lot of controversies on Karthikeya's birth. Some say he was younger than Ganesh. Some say he was born (or created) from the flames of Lord Shiva's third eye. Some other versions say that Karthikeya was born from the heat of Shiva's passion for Parvati.

I didn't know Karthikeya was among those Ganesha battled. I thought it was only the Tridevta, Devas and Ganas.

There can be two reasons for Parvati not calling Karthikeya. If he was still a child, he did not grow up with Shiva and Parvati and was still with the 6 maidens who brought him up. Probably he was with the Devas at that time or with his wives. If he was still in Kailash, he was known as Lord Shiva's son rather than Parvati's son as she did not physically give birth to him. Parvati could have summoned him if it was possible. I'm guessing he wasn't around - that's what I believed till I saw your post.




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Actually, the differences b/w the accounts of Ganesh & Kartikeya are mentioned earlier in this thread - we discussed them a bit.  In the Shiva Purana, Kartikeya is older, and in that version, there were no Surapadman & Simhamukha, only Tarakasura.  In the Southern versions of the Puranas, those 2 were there, and also, Ganesh was older to Kartikeya.

We discussed that @ length somewhat - see pg 12 onwards.  Essentially the question I had asked was that if Ganesh was elder, then why couldn't he have hunted them down, since he satisfied the conditions of Surapadman & his brothers - that they be killed only by Shiva's son.  What I discuss below is based on the assumption that Kartikeya was older (obviously, or else the option of calling him didn't exist for Parvati)

Back to this question, I hadn't thought of the possibility that Parvati didn't want to call him since he was not exactly born to her.  But actually, 2 things here - when the Krittikas took the 6 babies that were born out of the sparks, Parvati approached them and claimed them as her own, and when she got near, the 6 babies merged into one 6-headed baby.  Shiva resolved the dispute b/w 6 parties of Kartikeya's parentage, and also gave him a name according to his being Parvati's son (I'm forgetting that name).  So it's inconceivable that Parvati would have thought of Kartikeya as not being hers.

I know it's way too early now, but in the Shiva Purana, as well as in the ACK Ganesh, the way he was beheaded was that after he had trounced everybody - Indra, the devas, Nandi & Bhrigni, the Ganas, Vishnu engaged him in combat.  While they were fighting, Shiva took advantage of that and beheaded Ganesh from behind.

I just wonder whether this serial will show that, or whether they'll show something else?  As it is, they whitewashed Narayan's behavior during Daksha's yagna, and here, they'd have to show Mahadev in bad light, even though it's from Shiva Purana.  So will they do that, or will they show something like Shiva beheading Ganesh in a head to head confrontation (no pun intended) and just gloss over his victory?  B'cos Ganesh did score a major victory until Shiva cheated to kill him, and that enraged Parvati so much that she sent Durga and Mahakali to punish the Devas & Ganas.  (I thought she should have sent them to punish at least Vishnu as well - I know she can't do anything to Mahadev since he's her husband, but this she could have done.)


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Originally posted by .Vrish.

.  Shiva resolved the dispute b/w 6 parties of Kartikeya's parentage, and also gave him a name according to his being Parvati's son (I'm forgetting that name).  

The name given was Skanda. 




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Skanda was the name Kartikeya got by virtue of being Mahadev's son.  But there was another name he got as a result of being Parvati's son, which I don't recall.

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Originally posted by .Vrish.

Skanda was the name Kartikeya got by virtue of being Mahadev's son.  But there was another name he got as a result of being Parvati's son, which I don't recall.

As Shiva's son he came to be called Guha. 

As Parvati's son he was named Skanda.

That's why the name of one of  the Nava Durgas is Skanda Mata.




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