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Posted: 04 March 2012 at 10:36pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by mnx12

Shiva Nataraja: The Cosmic Dancer
 http://www.indian-heritage.org/articles/sp1.html
Shiva as Nataraja is the cosmic dancer. He is the master and source of all the dance forms. He is also the source of all art forms ' dance, music, drama, etc' Shiva as Nataraja taught all the art forms to Bharata muni, .

Most of the Shiva temples in south India have a separate shrine for Nataraja inside their temple premises. The temple of Chidambaram has Lord Nataraja as the main deity instead of the usual Shiva lingam.

Shiva is considered to have started all the one hundred and eight tandavas. These are presented as one hundred and eight Karanas. These are present in some of the temples including the Brihadeeswara temple of Tanjore and the gopurams of the Nataraja temple of Chidambaram. In the temple cars, the most common and most popular presentations are the Ananda Tandava, Rudra Tandava, Urdhava Tandava and Chatura Tandava


Apart from the universal representation of Shiva in the abstract form of the Lingam, there are two more depictions of Shiva in the human form- One - Nataraja, as described above and two as Dakshinamoorthi- the embodiment of Supreme knowledge. 

DAkshinamoorthi is depicted as  a divine sage sitting under the banyan / peepul tree, facing south (hence his name- dakshina moorthi), his fingers in the chinmudra  and imparting   knowledge to the four youthful rishis-Sanaka, Sanandana , Sanatkumara  Santana. 

After Sati had immolated herself and her body cut asunder, Shiva discarded all the feelings, emotions and  thoughts and sat down facing south (considered as the direction of Yama) - the direction in which his beloved Sati had gone.

He transformed himself from a grihasta  to a  Sanyasin - whose only identity was His Advaitic Knowldege. 

In the temples in South, it is common to have a shrine for Dakshinamoorthi in all Shiva temples, where he is not  accompanied by a consort.


 



 


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Posted: 04 March 2012 at 11:07pm | IP Logged
Varaali,
Is he always placed south facing as Dakshinamurty? A seperate Parvati idol is not placed? In Mumbai & Gujarat,  here we have Shivji temples with his idol along with a Shivling & behind that Parvati's idol is placed. 

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Originally posted by mnx12

Varaali,
Is he always placed south facing as Dakshinamurty? A seperate Parvati idol is not placed? In Mumbai & Gujarat,  here we have Shivji temples with his idol along with a Shivling & behind that Parvati's idol is placed. 

The image of  Dakshinamoorthi is separate and in addition to the main shrine for Shiva (where he is on the form of the Lingam). Parvati has a separate shrine to herself and this shrine is to the left of the main Shiva shrine.  Dakshinamoorthi is featured on the outside of one of the walls of the main Shiva shrine  where he can face south.There is no Parvati accompanying Dakshinamoorthi (Since he is supposed to have become a sanyasi...)

This image merits its own worship especially on Thursdays. Devotees doing parikrama of the main shrine pause for a minute in front of Dakshinamoorthi especially if the are students and parents hasten to fold their children's hands in front of this god asking them to recite "Om namah Pranavarthaya Shuddha gyanaika Moorthaye
Nirmalaya Prashantaya Dakshinamoorthaye Namah"

Another point : In the grand old temples of South, Shiva and Parvati have their own names- usually associated with the local legends. For instance in the Tanjore temple you quoted in your post, Shiva is known by the name Brihadeeshwar  (Lord of the Universe) while Parvati is Brihannayaki (Empress of the Universe). In Chidambaram (also quoted in your post) Shiva is Nataraja of course, while his wife is- not just Parvati- but Shivakama sundari. Is there a similar tradition in North?






Edited by varaali - 04 March 2012 at 11:36pm

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This is followed in big temples. In other temples Shivji may have different names like Omkareshwar, Babulnath, but his Shakti is Parvati only. In all the Shakti peethas, Shivji's name is according to the the form of the Goddess. eg. in Tripura, Tripurasundari- Tripuresh, in Kamakhya, Kamakhya- Umanand (Umanath), in Baidnath, Jayadurga- Vaidyanath.

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The Appearance of Lord Siva

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from Srimad-Bhagavatam,


The pastime of Lord Siva's appearance is described inSrimad-Bhagavatam, 3.12.7–13. Lord Brahma, the engineer of the universe, had asked four of his sons, celibate sages known as the Kumaras, to populate the worlds. When they refused, on the grounds that they wished to use their time purely for spiritual pursuits, Brahma became angry. Here's what happened then:

"Although Brahma tried to curb his anger, it came out from between his eyebrows, and a child of mixed blue and red was immediately generated. (7)
"After his [Siva's] birth, he began to cry: O destiny maker [Brahma], teacher of the universe, kindly designate my name and place. (8)
"The all-powerful Brahma, born from the lotus flower, pacified the boy with gentle words, accepting his request, and said: Do not cry. I shall certainly do as you desire. (9)
"Thereafter, Brahma said: O chief of the demigods, you shall be called by the name Rudra by all people because you have anxiously cried. (10)
"My dear boy, I have already selected the following places for your residence: the heart, the senses, the air of life, the sky, the air, the fire, the water, the earth, the sun, the moon, and austerity. (11)
"My dear Rudra, you have eleven other names: Manyu, Manu, Mahinasa, Mahan, Siva, Ritadhvaja, Ugrareta, Bhava, Kala, Vamadeva, and Dhritavrata. (12)
"O Rudra, you also have eleven wives, called the Rudranis, and they are as follows: Dhi, Dhriti, Rasala, Uma, Niyut, Sarpi, Ila, Ambika, Iravati, Svadha, and Diksha." (13)
Siva and Parvati, as his wife is also known, have their abode in Siva-loka, between the material and spiritual worlds (see Brahma-samhita 5.43). This description is of how Siva appeared in the material world. 


sorry guys i know u never welcome this topic , but have long curiosity why vaisnavates and saivates always bet to calculate one another 's superior gods age or birth...

by creating lot of stories for that...SB is just nearly 5000 yrs old but veda define another line...so we need some one to take a position of guru and teach us what exactly the vedas said about Lord shiv and vishnu...

And how old vedas are...is it repeatedly written from time to time after every yuga ...are constant at all ages of world cycles.

Because i heard (just heardLOL sorry if it was wrong) in Rig veda they much talk about Lord surya and Indra first...And those words are mixed one with other language too...so any vedist are welcomed to explain...

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Actually before the universe was created... there was only one great energy & that was Om ...& from then on Came Shiv, Vishnu, Brahma & Shakti & then Shristi was born. And yes Vishnu , Brahma do not have a timeline they are not demigods that shall have this much lifetime Like Shiv- Shakti they are eternal too.

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sorry guys i know u never welcome this topic , but have long curiosity why vaisnavates and saivates always bet to calculate one another 's superior gods age or birth...

by creating lot of stories for that...SB is just nearly 5000 yrs old but veda define another line...so we need some one to take a position of guru and teach us what exactly the vedas said about Lord shiv and vishnu...

And how old vedas are...is it repeatedly written from time to time after every yuga ...are constant at all ages of world cycles.

Because i heard (just heardLOL sorry if it was wrong) in Rig veda they much talk about Lord surya and Indra first...And those words are mixed one with other language too...so any vedist are welcomed to explain...



Vanadhi,

To answer your question very briefly -

The stories of Shiva / Vishnu / Devi that we are familiar with can be found in the various Puranas, that certainly came into existence only during the later  Vedic Period.


The  Vedas (esp Rig Veda)  mainly contain hymns in praise of Indra, Varuna, Agni and Surya - predominantly. The 10th Mandala of Rig Veda entirely consists of hymns to the sacred fire. 

In the Yajur Veda- specifically Shukla Yajur, we do find references to Shiva.  The famous Rudram-Chamakam (a kind of name-chant often recited when  abhishek  is done to Shiva) is a part of the Shukla Yajur Veda.

 Sama Veda, since it deals mainly with the conduct of yagnas , has  hymns addressed to mainly  Agni  and Indra . 


Of course, we can always find scattered references to Shiva / Vishnu / brahma in the Vedas - but I don't know if that's what you are looking for.

As for your other doubt about Shaivites - Vs- Vaishnavites, I think we are all mature enough  to realize the futility of such debates.
 




Edited by varaali - 05 March 2012 at 9:37am

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ya Thank you Varaali from your brief statement i can understand the basic line of vedas...our famous deities are seen through puranas only...thanks for the clarifications...

ya iam looking for that only whether  there is any detailed description about trimurthi in vedas...

thank you... 

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