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Posted: 02 February 2012 at 7:19am | IP Logged
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[QUOTE=.Vrish.]Mnx

I'm not talking about girls in this forum ROFL - I'm talking about women of that time.  Except Sati and later Parvati, I'm not aware that any woman was enamored of him.  Was Reshma asking about any women in the show, or was she asking about posters in this forum?

Had anyone been, given how easily Mahadev fulfilled the desires of his bhakts, such a woman would easily have gotten Mahadev for a husband - at least in the form of one of his avatars, like Hanuman.

@Vrish, till now it is not shown anywhere, nor have I read any where that many women falling for Shivji. He was loyal to only his Shakti first, Sati, then Parvati. Mahadev was seen as God, a protector, he is called Bholenath, because he can be pleased easily. I ve promised myself, I'll stick to only +ve aspects. Mahadev has rescued me from DBSK.Big smile                                   @Reshma, where is it shown that many women are falling for Shivji, please enlighten meSmile
mnx, look at page 3 of think link.Smile
for the reccord LOLshivji is like a father for me.
so am not longing for shivji cause he's my pitaji.WinkROFL


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Wasnt hanumanji the 11th rudra avatar from shivji??

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   @Reshma, where is it shown that many women are falling for Shivji, please enlighten meSmile[/QUOTE]@mnx plz look at page 3 of think link.Smile [/QUOTE]
Reshma dear, In various books of Vrats it is mentioned, while giving the significance that they pray for a huband like Shivji, for unmarried girls. One such vrat is called Gauri vrat, of 5 days, which girls start at the age of 8 to 9 years, do you think at age they have fallen for Shivji? I have done one myself, it used to be fun. This was mentioned with reference to personal life in that thread. We are discussing about things shown in this show. Misinterpreting is very easy, but some more thinking will help in reaching a correct answer. 


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The Shiva & Shakti Tattva:

http://www.saivism.net/articles/shakti.asp

Shakti - The Dynamic Energy of Shiva 

Shakti is the dynamic power of Siva through which he manifests the worlds and their myriad objects and beings. Monistic schools of Saivism believe that shakti is inseparable from Siva just as heat from fire, light from the sun, night from the sky or a reflection from the mirror. They also believe that Siva is both the efficient and material cause of creation. Shakti is manifested by Siva only during creation and is withdrawn into himself at the end of creation. He brings forth the worlds and their beings through his will and dynamic energy.

The dualistic schools contend that Siva and Shakti are eternally separate entities though in their purest state they may be of the same essence. Siva is only the efficient cause while shakti is the material cause. Siva initiates creation through his will, using a preexisting shakti or prakriti which is independent of him, and employs her to manifest the 36 tattvas and the triple qualities and through them the whole material universe.

Followers of Shaktism go one step further and believe that shakti is the absolute being, mother of the universe and that Siva by himself is inactive and static. He becomes active only when united with shakti. Shakti is responsible for all creation while Siva remains in the background established in her like a witness consciousness.

Popular tradition symbolizes the unique relationship between Siva and Shakti in the form of Ardhanariswara, which means half female and half God. One half of it belongs to Siva and the other half to Parvathi or the mother goddess. This is an iconographic representation of Siva and Shakti as two distinct yet not distinct (bheda-abheda) entities.

According to the advaita vedanta of Sri Shankaracharya, the world in which we live is unreal and only Brahman is real. Monistic schools of Saivism differ from the advaita philosophy in this regard because they consider the worlds as well as shakti, who is instrumental in their creation, are all real because that (Sadasiva) which is true (satyam), pure (sivam) and perfect (sundaram) cannot create anything that is unreal (asatyam). Siva, shakti, all the tattvas and beings and objects that are created out of them are real. They may be impermanent but real. The beings may suffer from delusion due to the act of concealment by Siva, but they are real entities who actually experience delusion not in some dream state but in their egoistically conscious state.

The Five Supernatural Powers of Shakti

There are many aspects, forms and names of shakti who is the mother of all. In creation she distinguishes herself, or through the will of Siva, into three basic aspects:

    para-shakti (transcendental energy), apara-shakti (immanent energy) and
  1. para-apara-shakti ( an intermediary energy).

In the texts of Saivism we also find a reference to five supernatural powers of shakti, awakened in himself by Siva. Their permutation, combination, concealment and manifestation is believed to be responsible for the multiplicity, plurality, diversity and duality of the beings and objects and their forms and shapes in the manifested worlds. The five aspects of shakti manifested by Siva are:

    chit-shakti or the power of consciousness, anada-shakti or the power of bliss consciousness, iccha-shakti, the power of desire or will, kriya-shakti the power of action and
  1. jnana-shakti or the power of knowledge

Siva unleashes these five powers in the beginning of creation and withdraws them back into himself at the time of dissolution. In between he employs these energies for the purposes of creation (srishti), preservation (sthithi), samhara (destruction or modification), concealment (tirobhava) and revelation (anugraha).

Manifestation of the Higher and Lower Worlds

Maya-shakti is the veiling power of Siva. Siva uses this aspect of his shakti to conceal or reveal his powers. Depending upon the degree to which these powers are revealed or concealed, the world order or the divine order becomes established. Shakti is also known as mula prakriti or primal energy. In creation this primal energy is divided into 36 tattvas or principles, of which some are pure and some are impure.

In the creation of higher worlds and their beings (adhikara-muktas) Siva uses five pure tattvas. He also manifests himself completely, or almost completely, without concealing his supreme state. The five pure tattvas are siva-tattva, shakti-tattva, sadasiva-tattva, isvara-tattva and suddha-vidya-tattva. In these planes Siva and his shakti are inseparable and almost indistinguishable. These are the planes of supernatural gods, whose consciousness and will work together in perfect harmony producing instantaneous results upon mere will. In these worlds maya-shakti is pure, inconsequential and ineffective.

In the lower worlds or planes, the distinction between Siva and his shakti becomes more pronounced. In the gross beings with physical bodies and gross objects we find the purpose of creation being finally met. As Siva manifests himself in these planes through his power or shakti, we see a gradual withdrawal or concealment of his supernatural powers and his supreme state. In these worlds he employs the impure tattvas to createthe bonds or impurities in the beings and subjects them, through maya shakti, to the goals of creation. Though these beings are the same as Siva in their true state, because of the impurities they experience the limitations of kaala (time), vidya (knowledge), raga (emotion), niyathi (space) and kala (capacity and skill). Because of the ignorance arising out of these limitations, they also become bound to the impurities of anava (egoism), maya (ignorance) and karma (action with consequences).

In these worlds Siva and Shakti operate asynchronously, almost as independent entities, although in reality they are the same. The Siva consciousness withdraws into the background while the false ego consciousness takeover the control. The spiritual and psychic powers remain dormant, while the ego gets busy using the physical, mental and sensual powers of the body. So whatever the jiva wills or desire does not get manifested easily or will be manifested rather clumsily or incompletely or unexpectedly. The limitation of time creates a gap between intention and manifestation. The limitations of knowledge creates a gap between knowing and becoming. The limitations of raga produce the conflict of passions. The limitations of space creates the difficulties in movement. The limitations of skills take away the power of perfection and efficiency.

Kala and Bhakti

According to Vira Saivism Para Siva or the transcendental Siva splits himself into linga and anga. He also divides his energies also into kala (skill) and bhakti (devotion). Kala is responsible for the orderly existence (preservation) of the worlds while bhakti is responsible for the liberation of the souls from their impurities (through destruction and grace) and their self-realization.

Siva and Shakti

It is a matter of opinion whether the worlds are manifested by shakti or by Siva through his shakti. In reality they are inseparable. The notion of their separation from our perspective is because of our limited consciousness. Even in our limited existence our energies are not separate from us. Modern science accepts the notion that matter and energy are interchangeable. So does consciousness and energy and individual will and consciousness and individual will and energy. In the highest planes they are interchangeable, which is why we see a great incongruence between our spiritual experiences and the external reality. It also explains why in the higher metaphysical realms and subtle planes of our consciousness the physical laws of our universe lose their validity.

Creation is a process of issuing forth (expansion) and then withdrawal (contraction). Creation begins with the manifestation of higher and subtler planes and then proceed to manifest the lower and grosser lower planes. The jivas of the lower worlds have the powers concealed in them, which they can awaken to begin their journey of involution. They can accomplish this through spiritual practice, withdrawing from the world (samsara), overcoming their impurities (malas), freeing themselves from their bonds (pasas), releasing their shaktis from the five limitations discussed above and becoming one with their highest consciousness in a state of samadhi. This is the purpose of the whole creation and these are the rules of the game enforced by Siva for his own amusement.



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   @Reshma, where is it shown that many women are falling for Shivji, please enlighten meSmile
@mnx plz look at page 3 of think link.Smile [/QUOTE]
Reshma dear, In various books of Vrats it is mentioned, while giving the significance that they pray for a huband like Shivji, for unmarried girls. One such vrat is called Gauri vrat, of 5 days, which girls start at the age of 8 to 9 years, do you think at age they have fallen for Shivji? I have done one myself, it used to be fun. This was mentioned with reference to personal life in that thread. We are discussing about things shown in this show. Misinterpreting is very easy, but some more thinking will help in reaching a correct answer. 
[/QUOTE] hi mnx,i know the gauri vrat.. did it as well, and afcourse they havent fallen for shivjiLOL.thanks.
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The Shiva & Shakti Tattva:

http://www.saivism.net/articles/shakti.asp

Shakti - The Dynamic Energy of Shiva 

Shakti is the dynamic power of Siva through which he manifests the worlds and their myriad objects and beings. Monistic schools of Saivism believe that shakti is inseparable from Siva just as heat from fire, light from the sun, night from the sky or a reflection from the mirror. They also believe that Siva is both the efficient and material cause of creation. Shakti is manifested by Siva only during creation and is withdrawn into himself at the end of creation. He brings forth the worlds and their beings through his will and dynamic energy.

The dualistic schools contend that Siva and Shakti are eternally separate entities though in their purest state they may be of the same essence. Siva is only the efficient cause while shakti is the material cause. Siva initiates creation through his will, using a preexisting shakti or prakriti which is independent of him, and employs her to manifest the 36 tattvas and the triple qualities and through them the whole material universe.

Followers of Shaktism go one step further and believe that shakti is the absolute being, mother of the universe and that Siva by himself is inactive and static. He becomes active only when united with shakti. Shakti is responsible for all creation while Siva remains in the background established in her like a witness consciousness.

Popular tradition symbolizes the unique relationship between Siva and Shakti in the form of Ardhanariswara, which means half female and half God. One half of it belongs to Siva and the other half to Parvathi or the mother goddess. This is an iconographic representation of Siva and Shakti as two distinct yet not distinct (bheda-abheda) entities.

According to the advaita vedanta of Sri Shankaracharya, the world in which we live is unreal and only Brahman is real. Monistic schools of Saivism differ from the advaita philosophy in this regard because they consider the worlds as well as shakti, who is instrumental in their creation, are all real because that (Sadasiva) which is true (satyam), pure (sivam) and perfect (sundaram) cannot create anything that is unreal (asatyam). Siva, shakti, all the tattvas and beings and objects that are created out of them are real. They may be impermanent but real. The beings may suffer from delusion due to the act of concealment by Siva, but they are real entities who actually experience delusion not in some dream state but in their egoistically conscious state.

The Five Supernatural Powers of Shakti

There are many aspects, forms and names of shakti who is the mother of all. In creation she distinguishes herself, or through the will of Siva, into three basic aspects:

    para-shakti (transcendental energy), apara-shakti (immanent energy) and
  1. para-apara-shakti ( an intermediary energy).

In the texts of Saivism we also find a reference to five supernatural powers of shakti, awakened in himself by Siva. Their permutation, combination, concealment and manifestation is believed to be responsible for the multiplicity, plurality, diversity and duality of the beings and objects and their forms and shapes in the manifested worlds. The five aspects of shakti manifested by Siva are:

    chit-shakti or the power of consciousness, anada-shakti or the power of bliss consciousness, iccha-shakti, the power of desire or will, kriya-shakti the power of action and
  1. jnana-shakti or the power of knowledge

Siva unleashes these five powers in the beginning of creation and withdraws them back into himself at the time of dissolution. In between he employs these energies for the purposes of creation (srishti), preservation (sthithi), samhara (destruction or modification), concealment (tirobhava) and revelation (anugraha).

Manifestation of the Higher and Lower Worlds

Maya-shakti is the veiling power of Siva. Siva uses this aspect of his shakti to conceal or reveal his powers. Depending upon the degree to which these powers are revealed or concealed, the world order or the divine order becomes established. Shakti is also known as mula prakriti or primal energy. In creation this primal energy is divided into 36 tattvas or principles, of which some are pure and some are impure.

In the creation of higher worlds and their beings (adhikara-muktas) Siva uses five pure tattvas. He also manifests himself completely, or almost completely, without concealing his supreme state. The five pure tattvas are siva-tattva, shakti-tattva, sadasiva-tattva, isvara-tattva and suddha-vidya-tattva. In these planes Siva and his shakti are inseparable and almost indistinguishable. These are the planes of supernatural gods, whose consciousness and will work together in perfect harmony producing instantaneous results upon mere will. In these worlds maya-shakti is pure, inconsequential and ineffective.

In the lower worlds or planes, the distinction between Siva and his shakti becomes more pronounced. In the gross beings with physical bodies and gross objects we find the purpose of creation being finally met. As Siva manifests himself in these planes through his power or shakti, we see a gradual withdrawal or concealment of his supernatural powers and his supreme state. In these worlds he employs the impure tattvas to createthe bonds or impurities in the beings and subjects them, through maya shakti, to the goals of creation. Though these beings are the same as Siva in their true state, because of the impurities they experience the limitations of kaala (time), vidya (knowledge), raga (emotion), niyathi (space) and kala (capacity and skill). Because of the ignorance arising out of these limitations, they also become bound to the impurities of anava (egoism), maya (ignorance) and karma (action with consequences).

In these worlds Siva and Shakti operate asynchronously, almost as independent entities, although in reality they are the same. The Siva consciousness withdraws into the background while the false ego consciousness takeover the control. The spiritual and psychic powers remain dormant, while the ego gets busy using the physical, mental and sensual powers of the body. So whatever the jiva wills or desire does not get manifested easily or will be manifested rather clumsily or incompletely or unexpectedly. The limitation of time creates a gap between intention and manifestation. The limitations of knowledge creates a gap between knowing and becoming. The limitations of raga produce the conflict of passions. The limitations of space creates the difficulties in movement. The limitations of skills take away the power of perfection and efficiency.

Kala and Bhakti

According to Vira Saivism Para Siva or the transcendental Siva splits himself into linga and anga. He also divides his energies also into kala (skill) and bhakti (devotion). Kala is responsible for the orderly existence (preservation) of the worlds while bhakti is responsible for the liberation of the souls from their impurities (through destruction and grace) and their self-realization.

Siva and Shakti

It is a matter of opinion whether the worlds are manifested by shakti or by Siva through his shakti. In reality they are inseparable. The notion of their separation from our perspective is because of our limited consciousness. Even in our limited existence our energies are not separate from us. Modern science accepts the notion that matter and energy are interchangeable. So does consciousness and energy and individual will and consciousness and individual will and energy. In the highest planes they are interchangeable, which is why we see a great incongruence between our spiritual experiences and the external reality. It also explains why in the higher metaphysical realms and subtle planes of our consciousness the physical laws of our universe lose their validity.

Creation is a process of issuing forth (expansion) and then withdrawal (contraction). Creation begins with the manifestation of higher and subtler planes and then proceed to manifest the lower and grosser lower planes. The jivas of the lower worlds have the powers concealed in them, which they can awaken to begin their journey of involution. They can accomplish this through spiritual practice, withdrawing from the world (samsara), overcoming their impurities (malas), freeing themselves from their bonds (pasas), releasing their shaktis from the five limitations discussed above and becoming one with their highest consciousness in a state of samadhi. This is the purpose of the whole creation and these are the rules of the game enforced by Siva for his own amusement.

am gonna read this tomorrow..thanx in advance..
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@Vrish...
please post the hole story...
thanks sweets...
 
@all...
what an information...
learning so much...
thank you...
 
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