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Posted: 05 November 2012 at 9:02am | IP Logged
Originally posted by wildcat1994

hey...ok...as far as i know...the minakshi story and the samudra manthan had occurred almost simultaneously during the end of Treta Yug...i m nt sure if the tripur story occurred at tat tym or b4 tat...
 
@Sargesh- as far as i know...all of adishakti's rups are considered to b the wives of Shiva...though his most beloved wife is Parvati...and no...the story of fight bet tridev n tridevis is fault...infact, the river saraswati is the daughter of SHIVA-PARVATI and not Goddess Saraswati...Laxmi went to bhoolok and not parvati...her  bhoolok prasthan and rebirth was in the from of SITA to help RAM-Vishnu's form...it was done in accordance with vishnu...
 
as far as SAMUDRA MANTHAN is considered...if u hv seen d earlier epi its shown that laxmi leaves the swargalok due to a curse and can return only after the samudra manthan...
thanx for ur suggestion but my doubt is when adi parashakti handed mahakali to shiva then what happened that she took numerous births to get shiva. and pls clear 1st one also

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Posted: 05 November 2012 at 9:15am | IP Logged
look...i m nt sure of this guna theory...i hvn't hrd it evr b4 n as far as the numerous... births of adi-shakti are concerned...she is JAGAT MATA so to  save her kids (world) frm the terror of the ASURAS she had to take many forms and births and in each birth she had to perform tapasya to get Mahadev as husband...and yes, mahakali had to take many births bcoz...Shiva cud nt except any1 bt parvati as his wife...d only reason y Mahakali always stays in d from of Parvati
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Posted: 05 November 2012 at 10:59am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Sargesh

Two doubts not related to lord shiva but about Adiparashakti and lord vishnu

1. Firstly i am very confuse about the GUNA philosophy. Some say vishnu is rajoguni or some say vishnu is sattvaguni in devi bhagwat it is written vishnu is sattvaguni. My doubt is this we knw sarwati is sattvaguni and lakshmi is rajoguni so why their husbands have opposite qualities. I think vishnu shud be considered as rajoguni as he lives like raja like in king like costumes and laksmi alws serving him and in his puja only we do different type of shringaar and bhog ceremonies.

2. My doubt is i have read saturday story abt adiparashakti she gave lord shiva goddess mahakali as his consort so what happened then she have to took birth as sati or some say she took 108 times births. I have read somewhere that there ws fight b/w tridev and tridevis that who is superior so tridevis decided to taught lesson to tridevas by separating from them so saraswati took river form. laksmi gone in samudra and mahakali went to bhoolok and took rebirth. some say shakti originated from left side of shiva. Which is reliable
Brhma, Saraswati are Satva guni, Vishnu, Lakshmi are Rajo guni, Shiv, Shiva( Uma) are Tamo guni as per Murti Rahasya of DSS.
After She seperated from Shiv from his Ardhanarishwar form, Sati was the first & Paravti 2nd birth  as per Devi Puran & Devi Bagavat. No other Puran or script gives account of 108 births so this is a myth.
DP & DB, DSS represents Devi Shakti's stories in detail, so can be considered more reliable.

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Posted: 06 November 2012 at 4:05am | IP Logged
actually, parvati took birth several times  after tat n she did have 108 forms...but tey r unknown bcoz they didn't do nythin of interest...i.e lyk parvati bcame shiv's beloved wife n sati bridged d gap bet shiv n daksh...d other forms were just mere avatars of hers...out of these sum r known lyk KALI, CHANDIKA, DURGA, etc...d rest hv no mention in the puranas or vedas bt r a part of many folklores around the nation...lyk ASHOKSUNDARI...her name is nt mentioned in any of d puranas bt is a part of many Gujarati folklores...
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Posted: 06 November 2012 at 4:06am | IP Logged
n i hv a question...where is GANESHA?? according to d folklores...Ganesh and Ashoksundari were born together...so whr is he in d serial???? any1 any ideas???
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Posted: 06 November 2012 at 6:59am | IP Logged
@wildcat1994,
Aadi Shakti takes several avatars & there is no mention of it anywhere, that itself makes it unbelievable. When even Vishnu's dwarpal Jaya, Vijaya's births after Sanata Kaumar's curse are mentioned in detail in Puranas.
Kali, Chandika, Durga are her forms, As Kali she has already achieved Shivji. Various forms can not be taken as births. Somewhere 108 names of Devi are misinterpreted as her births, which is not true. Such a big thing like 108 births have to be there with their names, time period purpose etc.
Ashok Sundari is not part of Gujrati folk tales. Ashoka Sundari marries Nahush. Where as as per Gujarati falk tales, parvati's daughter was cursed when she failed to tell Shivji Ganesh is her brother.
She was then born as Okha, who married Anirudhha.


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Posted: 09 November 2012 at 4:19am | IP Logged
well, i m aware of tat tale too n m nt sure if its true or nt bt ASHOKSUNDARI is nt nywhr in puranas, n it was customary in those days to name gods and goddesses on the basis of the wrk they did...so it is possible tat parvati may have more than 1 name n nt all r her births bt d 108 births of parvati are true i.e if u believe folklores...i know tis cause i hv hrd stories as a child myself...even my grandama used to say tat parvati was born 100 times to help the gods (Indra dev was habituated to doing mistakes n parvati had to amend them since she was JAGATMATA...so it is possible tat she took birth 108 times...)
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Posted: 09 November 2012 at 11:37pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by wildcat1994

well, i m aware of tat tale too n m nt sure if its true or nt bt ASHOKSUNDARI is nt nywhr in puranas, n it was customary in those days to name gods and goddesses on the basis of the wrk they did...so it is possible tat parvati may have more than 1 name n nt all r her births bt d 108 births of parvati are true i.e if u believe folklores...i know tis cause i hv hrd stories as a child myself...even my grandama used to say tat parvati was born 100 times to help the gods (Indra dev was habituated to doing mistakes n parvati had to amend them since she was JAGATMATA...so it is possible tat she took birth 108 times...)

I think you need to differentiate b/w manifestation and birth. 

As Goddess Shakti, she had had to manifest several times, according to the needs and requirements of the situation e.g- Durga, Lalitha, Kamakshi,etc. This cannot be regarded as her 'births'

By birth, we mean Her appearance in a human form to a specific set of parents e.g- Meenakshi. 

I don't think there are 108 such 'births' - because as Minakshi (the moderator) has said, there are no such records / legends




Edited by varaali - 09 November 2012 at 11:43pm

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