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mnx12

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Posted: 11 years ago

This content was originally posted by: wildcat1994
@mnx12...u wer rit, i misunderstood my grandma...while searching 4 d 108 births theory, i came across the teej mata story of rajasthan...strange tat being a rajasthani i was nt aware of it...thanks 4 enlightning me!!!! n yes, sati was born 107 tyms b4 bt was unable to get shiva...it was only in her 108th birth as parvati tat she won him..

What I understand is, in every Yuga cycle all the avatras are repeated, Brhmaji & Vishnuji appear at the beginning of Satyuga. If Sati has taken 107 births, does that mean 107 Yuga cycles? Parvati was not born at all during that time? Kartikeya & Ganesh never appeared during that time? The story of Shivji during thaose Yuga cycles was didfferent? That seems unlikely. I haven't read anything reliable about this in any scriptures so am doubtful about it. If you get any source about Sati's 107 birth story please share here.

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mnx12

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Posted: 11 years ago

In which Yuga Goddess Meenakshi existed?

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

But events have to vary somewhat, no? If a mistake had been made in a yuga in a previous manvanthara, is there any reason that it should be repeated in a subsequent one? Also, the concept of events repeating themselves periodically every kalpa seems to violate the concepts of time, where an event that's passed can't be recaptured i.e. one can't do time travel. If one could, everybody would trace back to the beginnings of their existence and avoid their past mistakes.

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Kriti Jain

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Posted: 11 years ago

@mnx12...Sati was born as a human 108 times and not as a godess...it was tat long tapsya as parvati or Mahagauri which turned her into a goddess...n i just found out tat God's have a different time period...hers an extract:

Reckoning of time amongst the Devas

The life span of any Hindu demi - god ar a deva, spans nearly (or more than) 4.5 billion years. Statistically, we can also look it as -

Life span of Devas = 1 Kalp (or day of Brahma).

Time measurement section of the Vishnu Purana Book I Chapter III explains the above as follows:

12,000 divine year = 4 Yugas (= 4,320,000 human years) = 1 Maha-Yuga (also is equaled to 1200 Daiva (divine) Yuga)

Reckoning of time for Brahma

1000 Maha-Yugas = 1 Kalpa = 1 day (day only) of Brahma

(2 Kalpas constitute a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion human years)

2 parardhas = 100 years of Brahma = 1 Para = 1 Maha-Kalpa (the lifespan of Brahma)(311.04 trillion human years)

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Kriti Jain

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Posted: 11 years ago

@.Vrish. i agree wid u events hav to vary according to tym...so even i cannot follow tis Kalpa theory...m tryin to fing more about it!!!!!!!!! Edited by wildcat1994 - 11 years ago

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mnx12

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Posted: 11 years ago

@wildcat1994, what you've mentioned is already there in, The time (Yuga) calculation thread, mentioned in my previous post, on the 1st pg in other post by Max.

In every yuga cycle, If Vishnuji takes avatars even other Gods too take their various forms. Without Paravti marrying Shivji, Shiv-Shakti union concept doesn't compelete, as many scriptures are created in their convo, teachings. If those were not created that means past Yuga cycles were deprived of these knowledge.

Universe is vast, filled with ample of kowledge, which keeps on appearing & disappearin from time to time. A strong medium is needed to bring it on Earth & spread itamog people.

Except Shiv-Shakti many such scriptures can not be created, as no one else has thar power.

Vishnuji-Lakshmiji's duty is different.They can not do what Shiv-Shakti did.

It Shakti as Paravti died & after being born as Parvati doesn't unite with Shivji, majority of Tantra -shastra can not exist. Which I doubt is possible.

Yes some events may vaery in different yuga-cycles but if such a major eventof Shakti not unitng with Shivji had not occured then there it has to be mentioned in a very reliable scripture. Which I am waiting to see, if anyone can provide.

Devi Puran in 49th to 58th adhyaya, mentions, once Shivji admiring Shakti's beauty & love wanted to know how does it feel being a woman. To fulfill his wish, Shakti was born as Krishna, Shivji as Radha & Krishna's 8 patranis. Jaya & Vijaya as Shridam & Vasudam, Vishnuji was born as Balram, as Devi had promised him that he will become Devi's elder brother. Mahabharat too happened, Kurukshetra's war too took place. In the end They all did Swargarohan by going in samudra, as samudra'swater touched their feet. Krishna appeared asKali-Shakti. Krishna's 8 pattranis took form of Shivji. Balram as Vishnuji. Arjunoon too was Vishnuji's ansh , he merged in him. Draupadi was Shakti's ansh, she merged in her.This happened in another Kalpa.

Adhyaya 58th 49th to 51 shloka says, Jaganmata BhagavatiI for Shivji's wish was born as a man went back to her originalform of Shakti. In that Kalpantara Vishnuji was born in his purna avatar as Krishna in the end of Dwapar yuga.

This shows all of God's avatars do take place in different Yuga cycles in the same Kalpa.

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

Mnx

The above description of the end of the Dwapar Yuga is given in SB, but varies radically from the Mahabharata, where Arjun escorted the Yadava survivors back to Indraprastha/Mathura, and after installing Vajra & Parikshit on the Yadava & Pandava thrones, the Pandavas retired to the mountains, and all except Yudhisthir died on the way. SB's description suggests that nothing of that sort happened.

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Posted: 11 years ago

This content was originally posted by: .Vrish.
Mnx

The above description of the end of the Dwapar Yuga is given in SB, but varies radically from the Mahabharata, where Arjun escorted the Yadava survivors back to Indraprastha/Mathura, and after installing Vajra & Parikshit on the Yadava & Pandava thrones, the Pandavas retired to the mountains, and all except Yudhisthir died on the way. SB's description suggests that nothing of that sort happened.

This Swargarohan happened in another Yuga cycle in the same Kalpa when Shakti was born as Krishna & Shivji as his 8 pattranis. This SB version is when Vishnuji was born as Krishna, in a different yuga cycle, may be we are living in that.

DP 58th adhyaya, shloka 49 to 51,

Evam samabhavdevi hyamsunderrupini I

prithvibharapaharay Shambhorichhavashen tu II

Punrupen Jaganmata Lilaya Dharanitale I

hrtva cha Prithvibhachlenayeva mahamate II

Kalpantare to Bhuprushthe Dwaparante mahamune I

Vishnu Shrikrishnarupena purnaanshen Jagatprabhu II

This is to show God's all Avatar's do tale place in each Yuga cycle in the same Kalpa. If Shiv, shakti existed when Shakti was born as krishna, this means 107 births of parvati not marrying Shivji isn't true.

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Kriti Jain

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Posted: 11 years ago

@mnx12...as far as i know...these are scriptures written that are deemed to happen in future as currently the 1st kalpa has not ended...n even if there are changes from time...but still i don't get what has parvati's 107 births got to do with her birth as krishna in another kalpa???

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Kriti Jain

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Posted: 11 years ago

sati was born 107 times as human before bing born as parvati...she performed long tapasyas in each of her births but since, shiv was in a dhyan and did not know what was happening...she couldn't please him...in fact even as PARVATI she would have not succeded id KAMADEV had not interwined!!! n all dis happens in d same kalpa...not different kalpas!!!!!!!!

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