Originally posted by: .Vrish.I have no idea whether what the serial showed about Ganga accompanying Indra to Devalok was remotely accurate. If it ain't, then she was w/ Himavan & Mena, and therefore available for Kartikeya, and later Ganesh. She may have gone to Swarga later on another pretext.
But even if she were in Swargalok, in Kartikeya's case, Agni & Vayu could easily take her to Ganga. Question mark then remains as to whether Shravan and the Krittikas were based in Devalok or Bhulok. But in the Ramayan, in Uttarkand, Rama narrates the story of Raja Ila who visited the forest when Shiva was newly married to Parvati, and had enchanted the forest that anyone who entered that beautious region would become a woman, which is what happened to Raja Ila & his retinue. π€£If one accepts the Ramayan aspect to this story, then all of this took place on Bhulok, so Ganga would have had to be there. But in b/w, at some point of time after the birth of Ganesh, she may have left for Swarga in the Satya Yuga itself, and returned in the Treta Yuga during Bhageeratha.
I never heard of Ganga being Himavan's daughter before it was mentioned here. I thought she was river who flowed in the Swarga and was later on brought to the Earth by Bhagiratha.
Agni and Vayu took the sparks to the river Saraswati (also known as Saraswati Ganga) which was a tributary which flowed into Ganga. The sages Vasishta and Viswamitra lived on the opposite banks of this river. I thought Ganga reached the Earth before Karthikeya and Ganesha were born.
I really don't know when exactly Ganesha and Karthikeya appeared. Is there any mention of them in the Ramayana? Mahabharatha perhaps, but I've never heard of them in Ramayana. Being Gods, they must have made an appearance somewhere. I thought they both were created in the Tretha Yuga.
Both Sharavan and Krittikas were based on Bhuloka. It was after Karthkeya was reunited with Shiva and Parvati, the 6 Krittikas obtained the status of stars and proceeded to the cosmos.
The forest Raja Ila wandered into was different from Sharavan. Also there is a grove called the forest of Karthikeya or Karthikeya's Grove. Anyone entering it will become a creeper in the forest - as was the case with Urvashi when she entered the grove thinking about Pururavas.
I am not really clear as when Ganga came to the Earth and when exactly Karthikeya and Ganesha were born.
Didn't Viswamitra show Ram and Lakshman the Ganga when he was taking them to his ashram? Also, Guha lived beside the Ganga, isn't it?
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