Originally posted by: shali@Vrish...
please post the hole story...thanks sweets...@all...what an information...learning so much...thank you...
Originally posted by: .Vrish.There is a story about why Shiva had a son through Mohini.The reason was that a boon given to "Mahishi", cousin of Mahishasur, who was slain by Durga.After his death, his cousin Mahishi in a fit of rage to avenge her cousin's death does a severe penance and asks for the boon of immortality from Brahma but since this wasn't possible Brahma tells her to ask for another boon which was 'near to immortality' Mahishi slyly asks that a son from Vishnu and Shiva's union should slay her; Brahma chuckles and says 'so be it' n vanishes. Mahishi is so thrilled thinking she's almost immortal now because both Vishnu n Shiva both being male, how could they reproduce a son??As usual she became a tyrant, troubling the three worlds...All the worried Devtas approach Vishnu & Shiv for help, it is then Vishnu takes the form of Mohini 'enchantress' and consummate with Shiva, thus a son is born to them, who has the powers of Shiva & Vishnu The baby is left in the forest and a King called 'Pandalam' who is childless, adopts the baby calling him Manikandan , because of a gem adorning his neck.Manikandan is very reared very lovingly by the king & queen, untill the queen has her own son. She starts hating Manikandan and wants him out of the way so that her real son can become the crown prince so she sends Manikandan to the forest pretending to have a stomach ache n that it can be cured only by drinking milk of a tigress. Manikandan sets out to forest & it is here he encounters Mahishi & kills her.The story continues, but the main reason for Vishnu & Shiva having a son together was to get rid of Mahishi.
Originally posted by: .Vrish.Okay, here's the rest...
When Manikantan returned, Pandalam told him that he had overheard the queen and her minister (who too had aspirations to power) discussing their plot, and told him that he'd punish them. Manikantan then revealed to the king who he was and requested that they be spared, since they had hastened the killing of Mahishi. He also asked the king to accept his queen's son as his successor, and allow him to leave, given his real identity, and the king asked him where to build a shrine to him. Manikantan shot an arrow, and it landed @ the spot where the temple that Varaali mentioned is located.Months later, that minister was down w/ a rash, and realized that his sins had gotten the better of him. He had a dream where Ayappa appeared before him and asked him to take a bath in some river nearby, and then go to the temple. The minister did so, and was cured after he took the dip, and ran to that temple, and from then on became a bhakt.
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A soul takes a body only on account of karmas. Whatever be the body, on the exhaustion of karmas, the soul will attain liberation. Therefore, the number of births is dependent on the karmas of the soul. Souls that have less karmas can attain liberation even in one or two births. But if the karmas are not exhausted even after taking births in 84 lakh yonis, the souls take births again and again in those same yonis. Therefore, to say that souls have to pass through the 84 lakh yonis to attain liberation is not correct.
It is not necessary that the knowledge necessary to attain God can arise in the soul only on obtaining a human birth. It can arise in births like an ant, etc. There are a number of instances where souls in the bodies of an ant, elephant, snake, etc. have attained such knowledge. Did these attain salvation through the human body, which you call "the doorway to salvation"?
A student in Class 3 can be promoted to Class 5 through Class 4, as also directly. He can also be demoted, all dependent upon his intelligence. Similarly, the soul that is born as a plant can obtain a Deva's birth, and a Deva may be born as a dog or fox. All depends upon the good-bad deeds.
Without a body, the soul cannot exist. And there can be no body without karmas. That a soul gets a body that will correspond to its karmas. Therefore, there is no body (for the soul) without karmas.
It may be asked: If so, the soul from its subtle condition, when it takes its first body, on what does its body depend (as it is held by some that there being no body for the soul in its subtle condition, it has no karmas, too)? The answer is: That also is depending in its Karmas! When the soul is in its subtle condition, the anava (darkenss) griping it will induce desire in it. That desire becomes karma and, as a result, the soul obtains a body in its first birth.
Therefore, to say that karmas obtain only in the human level and not in the lower yonis does not stand to reason.
The souls have no freedom in any birth. The only person who has freedom is God. (This is one of the fundamental truths of Saiva Siddhanta). The peculiar characteristic of the soul is that it partakes of the nature of that to which it gets united. Accordingly, when the soul tries to unite itself with the Pati, it gets a little enlightenment and performs good deeds; when it joins Pasas, it will perform evil deeds. To so join (the Pati or Pasam) is also due to its past karmas. Therefore, the soul has no freedom.
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