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Posted: 12 years ago
Originally posted by: shruti.nil

@Bharat-in the show there are two,but there are supposed to be three


Someone put forward a doubt about Additi being mother to Indra and how Additi doesnt acknowlege it
Aditi (Sanskrit) Aditi [from a not + diti bound from the verbal root da to bind] Unbounded, free; as a noun, infinite and shoreless expanse. In the Vedas, Aditi is devamatri (mother of the gods) as from and in her cosmic matrix all the heavenly bodies were born. As the celestial virgin and mother of every existing form and being, the synthesis of all things, she is highest akasa. Aditi is identified in the Rig-Veda with Vach (mystic speech) and also with the mulaprakriti of the Vedanta. As the womb of space, she is a feminized form of Brahma. The line in the Rig-Veda: "Daksha sprang from Aditi and Aditi from Daksha" has reference to "the eternal cyclic re-birth of the same divine Essence" (SD 2:247n). In one of its most mystic aspects Aditi is divine wisdom.
Additi is supposed to be the mother to both Indra and Daksha,and she takes rebirth and is born to Daksha as his daughter Additi.Hence the Two additis are not the same
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Shruti

From what I read (don't recall where), Daksha was born from Brahma's toenail - he wasn't vaginally born, and didn't have a mother.  In fact, none of Brahma's children were born to Saraswati or any other woman.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Originally posted by: mnx12

I am not a gyani, am just a die hard believer of Lord Shiva 😊

Whoever said you can't be both? 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
Question please...
Shukrasharya is supposed to be Mahrishi Birgus son right?..
so how are they of such diffrent beliefs..Brigu with the Devas and Shukracharya supporting the Danavs?
is there a story behind this?
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Posted: 12 years ago
Originally posted by: shruti.nil

Question please...

Shukrasharya is supposed to be Mahrishi Birgus son right?..
so how are they of such diffrent beliefs..Brigu with the Devas and Shukracharya supporting the Danavs?
is there a story behind this?

Shukracharya:
 
Guru Shukracharya was the son of Bhrigu Rishi and Ushana, also known as Usha, the daughter of Hiranya Kashyap. Shukracharya was the preceptor of the Asuras, the demons. Shukracharya had been to Maharshi Aangrish for education but came back on seeing his favoritism towards his son Brihaspatii. He then went to study with Rishi Gautam.

Later, Shukracharya undertook an arduous penance and invoked the blessings of Shiva. He asked for a mantra which would ensure that the demons never lost. Shiva agreed to do so, but Shukracharya would have to perform a certain ritual for a thousand years and live only on smoke during this period. Shukracharya began this ritual in order to get mantra from Shiva.

Meanwhile the devtas (deities) learnt of Shukracharya's plans. They decided to destroy the demons while Shukracharya was away and before he acquired the divine mantra. As instructed by Shukracharya, the demons were residing at the hermitage of Sage Bhrigu, Shukracharya's father. The demons pleaded that they had given up their weapons and were leading a peaceful life and hence it was unfair for them to be attacked at this time. But the devtas carried on regardless. Since Bhrigu was away, the demons requested his wife, Usha, to come to their aid. Summoning her mystical powers she rendered Indra, the King of the devtas, immobile. The other devtas fled to Vishnu and implored him to rescue Indra. Usha threatened to reduce both Indra and Vishnu to ashes, but before she could complete the incantation, Vishnu released his Sudarshan chakra (a disc like weapon which revolves around index finger) and beheaded Usha. When Bhrigu returned and saw the decapitated body of his wife, he gave a curse to Vishnu. Since Vishnu was guilty of killing a woman he would have to take birth on earth time and again. This provided the basis for the incarnations of Vishnu. Bhrigu then used his divine powers to rejoin the head and body of Usha and gave her fresh life.

After his failure with the demons, Indra turned his attention to Shukracharya. He sent his daughter, Jayanti, with instructions to either distract Shukracharya using her charms or win him over with her service. Jayanti's modest behaviour prevented her from seducing the Sage, so she followed the second option. For the remaining part of the thousand years Jayanti devotedly served Shukracharya. When the period of the penance was over, Shiva appeared and taught Shukracharya a mantra that would bring a dead person back to life. This mantra was known as the 'Mritsanjivni' or 'the one which brings the dead to life'. Having achieved his mission, Shukracharya turned his attention to Jayanti. He promised Jayanti a boon for the selfless manner in which she had attended to the needs of his penance. Jayanti asked that he live with her as her husband for ten years and Shukracharya willingly accepted.

Indra now hatched another plan. He told his teacher, Brihaspatii, that the demons were expecting Shukracharya, but unknown to them Shukracharya was living with Jayanti. Indra asked Brihaspati to impersonate Shukracharya and live with the demons. Some fortune would chance upon them sooner or later. Brihaspatidid so and over the next ten years he won the demons over completely. After ten years when Shukracharya returned, he was aghast to see that an imposter had taken his place. As expected accusations were traded, but Brihaspati had replicated Shukracharya so accurately that it was impossible to tell who was the real Shukracharya. Finally the demons settled for the man who had been guiding them for the last ten years and shooed the real Shukracharya away.

Shukracharya could not bear this insult, especially after the thousand-year penance he had undergone for their benefit. He was a hot-tempered person and immediately cursed the demons that they would never be able to conquer the devtas (deities). Indra heaved a sigh of relief; Brihaspati assumed his true form; the demons realized that they had been tricked but now had no recourse.

Shukracharya had always supported demons. In the battle between the devtas (deities) and demons, he used to bring back the dead demons to life with the power of his knowledge with which the devtas (deities) were defeated by demons.

After this Brihaspati sent his son Kacha to Shukracharya to learn the Mrita-Sanjivani Vidya. Shukracharya accepted Kacha as his student. But other demons didn't like it. As the time progressed Kacha fell in love with the daughter of Shukracharya, Devyani. This irritated the demons. In the absence of Shukracharya, demons killed Kacha. This news had upset Devyani a lot. On the request of his daughter, Sage Shukracharya brought back life to Kacha with the help of "Mritsanjivni" knowledge. From there the love between Kacha and Devyani grew day by day. One day while Kacha was alone in forest, the demons killed him for the second time. They burnt his body and mixed his ashes in the drink of Shukracharya. When Devyani came to know about this she was shocked. She requested her father for the second time. The agony of his daughter was unbearable for Shukracharya. Again he used his powers to bring life back to Kacha. As a result Kacha came back to life and came out from inside the stomach of Shukracharya. But Shukracharya had to give up his own life to bring him out. Now this was Kacha's turn to bring life back to his Guru. He did the same. From this day wine is forbidden for those engaged in the pursuit of wisdom. Realizing his mistake of consuming Sura (wine) and its after effect, Shukracharya prohibited the Brahmins from consuming it and warned them that it would destroy their religiousness and that they would acquire the sins similar to that of killing a Brahmin and would be condemned both in this world and the other world. Devyani was happy to found both of them alive. But a new problem erupted. Kacha disagreed to marry Devyani on the grounds that since he was reborn from the stomach of Shukracharya so he could not marry his daughter Devyani. This was a bitter shock for her. She cursed Kacha that from now he would never be able to use this knowledge. Even Kacha cursed Devyani that no Brahmin will marry her.

Shukracharya had another wife named Gou with whom he had four sons. All these four sons were killed during the battle with the devtas (deities). Shukracharya was very proud of his knowledge and spiritual power and so he always hate Brihaspati, the guru of the devtas.

Shukracharya, the preceptor of the demons though hated the devtas (deities), the Saints and devtas respected him because of his knowledge, wisdom and power acquired by religious austerities. In the Indian tradition of knowledge also Shukracharya is remembered as a great scholar.


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Posted: 12 years ago
Originally posted by: shruti.nil

Question please...

Shukrasharya is supposed to be Mahrishi Birgus son right?..
so how are they of such diffrent beliefs..Brigu with the Devas and Shukracharya supporting the Danavs?
is there a story behind this?



Shukracharya became the guru of Asuras because of his hatred towards Lord Vishnu. The hatred arose because Vishnu once killed Shukracharya's mother when she had given shelter to the asuras.

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Posted: 12 years ago
But when was Bhrigu ever allied to the Devas?  I thought that Bhrigu was pretty much neutral, while Shukracharya was supportive of the Asuras due to the above reason.

Also, the above story about Shukracharya being tricked - was that the last of his association w/ the demons?  After all, he was the guru of Bali b4 Bali surrendered to Vamana, and later, he was the guru of Indrajit (although not of Ravana)  The incident w/ Kacha & Devyani probably took place b4 the time of Indrajit, since after the passing of Rama & his brothers, the Druhyus overthrew either Bharat's or Shatrughan's dynasty.  In other words, despite being let down first by Bali, and then by Vrishaparva's asuras, he never seemed to abandon the asuras, probably due to his grandfather being Hiranyaksha.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Brigu doesnt seem very neutral in the show-always supporting Daksh who is pro-Devta...
it seems a bit weird because when i read the story-on the sagar world website,it didnt seem like that...
thanks for the answer!
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Posted: 12 years ago
Originally posted by: shruti.nil

Brigu doesnt seem very neutral in the show-always supporting Daksh who is pro-Devta...

it seems a bit weird because when i read the story-on the sagar world website,it didnt seem like that...
thanks for the answer!

  sage brigu in the show even said that it is good to bind with sukracharya than with siva.
 
@vrish ---if i am not wrong after rebirth in kacha devayani story, sukracharya lost power of giving birth to dead as he himself has taken rebirth or he has told mantram to devayani. pl clarify th u - satya
Edited by satyavarshini - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
satyavarshini

No, Shukracharya didn't lose that power - it's just that the asuras lost their advantage.  Previously, only Shukracharya knew it, but nobody sympathetic to the devas did, which is why Kacha was sent.  After Kacha was restored to life and restored Shukracharya to life, both of them had that capability, but Devyani cursed him that he'd not be able to relieve anybody who was killed despite knowing this secret.  Kacha recognized this curse, but said that he'd still be able to teach it to others, who could use it.  But I haven't heard of whether Kacha actually taught that to anyone else so that the devasura wars could be tipped more neutrally.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Originally posted by: bharat9



@red: but arent there 2 coils around Shiva's neck?

The snake around Shivji's neck in the show has 2 & 1/2 coils, can be taken as 3 coils.