Originally posted by misti73
[QUOTE=why6]Misti,Angie my replies are embedded in pink.
This is where I was a bit confused...from Dev's tone it was clear that he had already decided what to do...in all probability he took this decision after his chat with Radhika/kanha in his room before Barkha started her leaving home nautanki...during that time he was going to say his decision but then got stopped by Barkha,...so if he has already decided and is sticking to his decision then why did he have a worried look when Barkha was pointing out what will happen if she gets married and everyone will get to knowthe truth. If he still needs Radhika/kanha's support to clearly state his POV that he thinks enough of lies and he is tired of the lies...then that shows that he is still unsure whether this is the right thing to do. To me it again shows that realisation has not happened in the sense that he has not fully realised how wrong he was...he wants to set things striaght because he is is scared of loosing Radhika again and is also tired of playing this double game and wants all of this to stop. ...He knows that he lied but thinks that it was ok to lie because that was the need of the hour...It might have sunk in him what he might loose if he continues on this path...and thats why he wants to pull back...but the realisation that he took a wrong decision as an RP is still not there.
I like this interpretation and that's why have problems with Kanha talking about Dev going on path of truth. So far that is not shown because otherwise Dev wouldn't be quoting Dada to justify walking on path of truth (if they are not white washing dada, which I think they might be, Dev can say that dada was following the path of truth, because to him following the path of turth and doing his duty as a RP might be two different things...they are the same thing will only come to him when true realisation happens, that is when he understands that he did take wrong decision as an RP..). He would be shown stating that he made a mistake when out of weakness he chose a wrong path. But that he wants to make up for his mistakes and actually wouldn't start a married life with Radhika until she is considered his wife in the society (to me this will happen if real realisation had happened and if he had realised how wrong he was...here they have showed him listening to his inner being not because he has realised the truth but because he has realised that playing this double game is might result him loosing Radhika again. They have portrayed him as being needy and desperate...so keeping all this in mind he might go for SR to justify to her the importance of her in his personal life. But like you I wishe they will give him a dialogue explaining why he went for SR...atleast shw him as someone who is scared regarding loosing Rdahika again and SR was a means to let her know that he wants and needs her).His getting tired of double game did go with several scenes shown in the past where he sat dejected in his room or when he was getting tired of Barkha.
Dai is bheesam of this family who is loyal to RP chair. So whoever holds it has the say. Previously, it was Dada and now it is Dev. That is the only way I can justify her volte face or her having no more problem that Dev is going to declare Radhika as RPtain in public. Otherwise, she was the most vocal opponent of this previously.I am also taking her as somone who is loyal to the position of RP...but she is no Bheesham. Dai is blind in her loyality, Bheesham was never blind...he did it out of his duty to the throne of Hastinapur but he knew that what he was supporting was wrong...he used to be very guilty regarding the way Draupadi was treated, so the realisatio was there in Bheesham but that is not there in dai.Anyway since she has been projected here as a servant who does not have much say and who is also not that educated I will also accept that she can be blind (although my persona; belief is that one does not have to be educated to be wise) but that again does not make her great, it makes her a human being but not great.
Yes, you are right. She is loyal to RP chair but there is no guilt in her in how she treated Radhika or emotionally manipulated both Radhika and Dev in agreeing to this sham arrangement. Now she is acting as if she always wanted them to be together. She is not great and that's why Kanha calling her pure devotee was such a joke. But then most of Kanha's lines have rarely made any sense. If this was real world Kanha, nobody would be worshipping him (Oh i am mighty glad that the real world Kanha is miles away from how they are projecting him to be) . She is a fanatic brainwashed person (probably by Dada) who thinks that the word of RP is a law. I like your comment that would she be endorsing Rohan even if he was to sanction rape or right of a husband to rape his wife.
How can Dev and Radhika hurt Urmila by punishing Barkha? Similar stuff was done to Vishaka/Amma who were forgiven by Radhika in CB1 because she didn't want to hurt her father who incidentally was shown weak at the time of truth.Ahh now I get the link...and where the creatives might be headed...no wonder kanha is singing praises of mother and parents in general. Then everyone should get a weak mother who appears nice because then all their sins will alsobe forgiven. Dev and Rdahika might it wat to punish Barkha but what about Karma...or does karma also look at the guilt party's mother before coming bak to bite...
Also Urmila's treatment by Barkha is being compared with Mansa's treatment by Chenu and hence equating both Urmila and Mansa. Mansa is not an influential person but he never endorsed his kids' mistakes. Even now he is the only one who is trying to make Chenu understand the value of work and humility. He never overlooked Chanda's mistakes. He was helpless in front of Shanti but he was adamant that Radhika wouldn't pay for Chenu's gamble. Also he broke relations with Radhika when he thought that she broke her marriage vows. Also he hasn't endorsed snatching someone's rights for his own kids. But today Kanha made Urmila equal to Mansa.The writers are hallucinating if they think that Mansa is equal to Urmila...there is no comparison between the two.
Also there was no need for Urmila to stay any longer at PB. Dev has now decided to get Barkha married and he won't be going back on his promise to keep away from Radhika. So Urmila staying at PB is to make sure that if Barkha is exposed somewhat, it is done in front of Urmila. That way, Dev would not punish Barkha or R/K would stop Dev from punishing Barkha to the extreme.Then all the judges should stop giving maximum punishments to would be murderers just because the accused mother is present in the courtroom.
So it is only Radhika who is being punished the maximum. Isn't it punishment for her that regardless of how Dev has been with her, she has been kept away from him for months now and her name has not been cleared either publicly or even at home. She is the one who has loved Dev the most and for her being with Dev is the most important thing in her life. Yet she is deprived of his company (not that his company is great the way he is at this point but still...). But all the lines of Kanha in last couple of weeks along with whitewashing of Urmila and arrival of demon is preparing audience to accept Barkha where her role in Radhika's torment may never be exposed. Based on these writers' mentality, her torturing Rohan was all for best friend and hence was justified. Have never seen a show where a negative character is so forcefully kept even though that character doesn't belong in the show. If they keep Rohan or BB at home despite their crimes, it is more palatable as they are family and Dev/Radhika tend to have importance for family members.Yes to all here and they are going for ridiculous tracks to justify evil.
But not only Dev, even Dada is being whitewashed and that too in a ridiculous way. The line of Dev quoting Dada about Dada following the path of truth was laughable. Do these writers think of audience as stupid that they would expect Dada to be called dharamic and truthful when he lied for 23 years and would have kept his grandson a servant if not for a prophecy. I am wondering about that too Yet Dev is not shown thinking about Dada snatching him from his mother and leaving Chaya to who knows what in order to maintain his false image. At that time, it was not even a danger to RP legacy as Chaya was the daughter of Hari's Guru and hence more eligible than Padma to be RPtain. They might show that Chaya night have had some negative thing in her...some past that would have hindered her being the RPTian in society at that time...maybe people had some wrong impression about her...but then also it does not make dada purushottam...becuase he lied and he hid the truth...he lied so that the RP is kept in the family...that is not an idealist...that is someone who was in love with his ideals.
They may show that. But as you said, it still does not justify Dada's decision whose only reason to break Hari's marriage at that time was his giving word to Padma's family about her marriage to Hari. Of course he didn't apply those standards to Radhika who was publicly engaged with Dev and yet forced to break up her engagement.
They can easily show a more complex story by showing Dev realizing how wrong his Dada was and he too committed mistakes when he stopped listening to his conscience and followed Dada blindly even if he was encouraged by Radhika in that.Yes here... yes Radhika was at fault but ultimately he was the decision maker. yes Also was it Radhika's decision that he fill Barkha's maang.Radhika wanted him to marry Barkha but again the final decision was Devs.
Well, all the faults are now laid at Radhika's feet by Kanha. That's how her punishment is being justified. It seems that according to Kanha, people are not responsible for their karms if they are being influenced by someone else. So Dev is not responsible for breaking any of his promises because it was Radhika who started the whole thing. He is also not responsible for betraying Radhika by putting sindoor on Barkha because Barkha masterminded it. His only sin was believing Barkha over Radhika but he has now rectified it because he is believing R/K in every thing. Now his love is mahaan and Radhika is extremely fortunate. There is no talk of Dev being punished either. Well if Barkha won't be punished (only her sin would be extinguished by Kanha), then how can Dev be punished? But again my question will remain...if Dev will not be punished because he did all that agaisnt his will listening to others...if Barkha is going t be shown not being punished because some devil has influenced her (I will like to know whetehr this devil has been her best friend since she was a child)...then why was Rdahika punished...she also took all those decisions under dada's influence.