Hate You; Hate You Not! - Page 2

Originally posted by: JZephyr

So technically, this is the first 'candid' confrontation between GK - with therefore, a to and fro volley of some very candid questions - and no answers really, but rhetoric replies. True...this was technically their first proper confrontation post-leap...and while their confrontation scenes are usually my fav. kind😆...this one ended up making me feel quite bad for Galool mainly :(

 Anyway - if she can be typical with doodh, Kesar too doesn't quit making a habit of glare hexes. Haha mental hexes...love you you put that😆

Nahate waqt apni patti bheegne to ni di na? - Being Galool, she tries again, oh so in vain! 😆 Kesar fails at pulling off an X-Men stunt in throwing her out of the room by the sheer force of his glare; and wisely goes back to his other never failing trick, the cold silent treatment. LMAOOO@ the X-men stunt force glare🤣

Gulaal 1; Kesar 0 - encouraged by her score, she still goes on *face palm* - Wo main ye kehne aayi thi ke tu aaj kahin mat jana... bas ghar baith kar aarama karna - *more face palm, added head desk* - Gullu's Galool rule to counter 'ignore' treatment: patronize the enemy 😆 LOL dono ek se badhkar ek hain😆

Ye tu kya karaha hai Kesar? (see! it works!) Kahin jaa raha hai? - Kesar scores! And pumped up, he passes buttoning up to merely take pointed strides across the room - pretending she is transparent, and he is deaf - and begins to fix his hair. LOL😆😆😆 But josh ki overdose results in scraping the injury, and inevitable expression of being stung - however momentary. 

I love the next few seconds, as Gulaal rushes to him, and he slaps off her hand, literally. Ouch  She's testing him with her patience, and he's testing her back for her tolerance. Let's not even ignore the dialog preceding this - meri baat maan aur thoda aaram karle - if there was ever a chance of him resting, there it goes down the drain. How in character for Gulaal to cajole him with that preamble of 'meri baat maan' - and yet, one wants to shake her up and ask her, was she sleep walking the last two days? Didn't she see this new avatar? She saw it yet she didn't see it...cuz she doesn't WANT to see it😆...she's in limbo, poor thing.

And yes - mera Kesar gets Kesar talking at last. She's hit a nerve there, intentional, or not - and it stings me more than the scraping of his injury seconds ago, so he answers back in more riddles. I like, again, the mix of tone in Kesar's reply. He's giving her some twisted and cold answers - but answers, wherein lie the question he wants to ask her. THE question. So he admits he has changed, to put forth the argument that she too may have changed under circumstances. Maybe she too, isn't the Gulaal he knew... His tone isn't frigid here, its not sarcastic, its a mix of confronting and seeking. He might be officially answering her question about his change - but really, he's only asking her to give him answers - to clear away his doubts. The last statement is almost like an unassuming bait for her - he tells her she may not be the same Gulaal, like he hopes for her to jump at that and refute it. Tell him she is the same. Make him believe she is the same - he's really testing the waters, and the sarcasm is missing, because however indirect his speech is, it hides underneath it, the tormenting question of a decade. And when she expresses her anguish at this change in him, her Kesar, he cannot but turn the question back at her, even if in rhetoric! Bingo👏👏...you've described this moment perfectly...the dialogues were genius...there again we see Kesar's constant need to ask her even in his own twisted roundabout way...almost as if he can't help himself and she gave him an opening...it got to him, hit a nerve like you said...so in his own way he tells her...'yeah maybe I've changed...but maybe so have you...and maybe for the same reasons...right?'...there's a questioning tone at the end that isn't really expressed overtly and Gulaal isn't perceptive enough to see it either cuz she can't fathom what he knows and what's making him say all this.

If she isn't his Gulaal, why does he expect her to understand his turmoil - that in an unspoken manner! How does he expect her to read his mind - when she hasn't known one first thing about him in a decade - when he, who has heard update from her, is in such dilemma over the true identity of his Gulaal. The 'akela kyun nahi chod deti' is more figurative than literal. In that second, he's venting out on why he can't rid of this dual existence of her person inside his head - where for good or bad, he can't stop thinking about her. For a decade plus, she has invaded his system - and it has bothered him to no end - her persistent presence in his system is the root of his dilemma. He hates her, but he hates her not! It reminds me of the later to come classic pareshani scene - where he tells her how he can't get her out of his mind!I agree...well said.

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JZee

 And Kesar - on the one hand is hell bent to proving she's not his Gulaal (to himself, and her now) and on the other hand is expecting her to read his mind! Asking him his question back - agar wo teri Gulaal hi nahi hai, agar tujhe uspar bharosa hi nahi hai - to ye umeed kaisi ke wo tujhe khud hi samjh jaaye!!! 🤔     So true..the same questions can be directed at him..you have summed it up perfectly well in your main post! 👏

Maz - FF from here to the scene where she comes to tidy his room and discovers the letter for herself under his pillow, which he grabs out of her hand before she can read. She tells him amicably to tell her what he wrote to her, if he wont let her read and he dismisses it with some fibbing about an update of his routine in recounting - and Gulaal, who by then has succeeded in uncovering at least partially, her true Kesar, dares to ask him - bohot narazz tha na mujhse? and he answers her back with this same line - dus saal tak tune muje khud se dur rakha... 

In an odd way, he's not really shifting the blame to her onus - but saying what is fact. He may have been the 'decision maker' about maintaining this strict distance, but it is she - intentionally or not - who has compelled him into such a dire means. And FF still more to the finale confession, where he tells her the same - how he doesn't want to go away, but she is making him go! She may retort back with a -jaise mujhse puch kar faisla liya tha! - but they both know by then, what he's implying! Yet another time that the CVs link up past nuances with future ones! 

^Oh yea I agree...'jaise mujhse puch kar faisla liya'..is something he could have said as well, she didn't ask him if he wished to go to boarding ..correct me if I'm wrong, but it's only after she proposes to send him to hostel does he learn of the truth of Vasant's murder right?..so yea she did want to keep him away from her, we know her intentions were good, but to him it's a stab in the heart.

^^ thank you Maz - for sticking around and 'actively' contributing! 🤗 Hey :D I enjoy reading all posts by you guys. I never had the chance to discuss these scenes with anybody, and when I was watching on my own, it was in quite a hurry.. all the excitement in wanting to know what happens next😆 so there was no time to patiently analyze the scenes like now.