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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 8:54am | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

Originally posted by night13


@return_to_hades: 'Ideally' is the correct word. They are censors and  barriers on all sites (code of conduct, terms of use, etc.) so why isn't the net for everyone (with respect to age groups)?


The net is not for everyone is not based on age, but more on temperament. I can think of various situations where the internet can turn to be a bad idea.

- Real life is set in a framework of governance (rules etc) . There is governance on the internet as well like on IF. However, as Sookie pointed out not all of the entire is regulated. Many sites are unregulated and if you venture out of your comfort zone you need to have the ability to stomach some content.

- The internet is not for the extremely gullible or insecure either. Though there are pranks and scams in real life as well. The anonymity on the internet gives criminals and deviants a wider leash and more gusto. If you are not smart or cautious enough there are people who can take advantage of you.

- As many people admit they are different online than in real life. Some maybe ruder or more brash online, others maybe more friendly and flirtatious online. Others even live as completely fake characters online. So people need a sense of judgment based on words to be able to not take the fakes seriously.

Those are just a few examples. There are some really smart kids and some really dumb adults online. Sometimes some people on IF are like virtual train wrecks waiting to happen. Whose signature says snatch the "keyboard" from dangerous people or something? So true!




The Internet is for everyone 'who can handle it'.  The internet represents access, choice, openness, innovation and above all unlimited access to knowledge. The basic architecture of the Internet was build leaving the ultimate control in the hands of the users! This is the ultimate goal to say that Internet is for everyone, how easy to say and how hard to achieve!

Originally posted by return_to_hades

Originally posted by night13

We are taught what we should live by is principals, morals and ethics. The  concept is really nice, so what happens if none of these ideologies  were   taught to us, would we have made different  choices?


Thats not true of just the internet, its the way of the world. Each society, each micro-culture has their own morals and ethics, and as global citizens we often have to make adjustments to our personal ethics to fairly adjust with others. With the world being smaller and so many different views converging together at an alarming rate online - one of internets biggest challenge is having people adjust.

Originally posted by night13

Freedom of Expression on the Internet as some find it democracy vs others  find it communism! There are so many example of intellectual property,  po*nography, hate, threats, etc... for which so many people, sites, governments, and  countries choose to filter out the most material/information. Why is this material offensive? These are the facts of life which we all deal with on everyday basis.  If you believe that there is an inherent value in truth, that human beings on average and over time recognize and value truth, and that truth is best decided in a free marketplace of ideas, then the ability of the Internet to promote freedom of expression  is very important and should not be restricted by from principals, morals or ethics as everyone has different sets of values and perceptions.


Freedom of speech vs the internet is an argument that will take a long long time to be settled.

When it comes to po*nography, violence and other such issues, never has it been so accessible to minors. There were physical checks like IDs, restricted areas etc, real people watching. Not that minors never had access, but it was more difficult, they had to jump through hoops. Now all they need is a computer and click the button that says over 21. That is why I feel the challenge of today has moved from how to 'censor' things to how to prepare future generations for unexpected.

Then there is the matter of laws. Some issues are illegal in one country and legal in another. Since there technically is no government borders etc online how do we settle these different legal matters. Secondly how do we determine what internet activities violate local law. The Pirate Bay case has been a massive example of how a few Swedish youth have used the legality question of the internet to stick it to multinational conglomerates.

There are so many ethical arguments around groups like Anonymous, 4Chan etc.



I agree, that the Internet is one place where requires the most adjustments of the minds! It's forecast that by 2050 the world's population will reach about 11 billion, and if only 20% is on the Internet, for which the government will control majority of stake on all Internet traffic worldwide. There are The Internet Societies which are striving to make Internet for Everyone, battling against governments, private sectors, etc to make Internet affordable and accessible. Access to the open Internet makes free speech a reality for everyone. Internet now offers delivering the press, and in theory, its freedoms to any person. Yet powerful political and economic interests are exploring new ways to filter or block user information on the free-flowing Web. And at the same time, some will offer proxy to get to all the information, so the battle will never end. The Internet is as real as it gets, with that in mind you must leave your social values on the side cause there is no room of ethics as we in the world of unknown!

Originally posted by return_to_hades

Originally posted by night13

I am going to plead the 1st vs 5th, does not guarantee an escape from what I am here to do.. to freely express my self.


What makes you assume you can plead those here? LOL

Its the internet hon, and we just established that those constitutional rights may or may not exist here.


ps.. I was born to plead the 5th...LOL


Edited by night13 - 29 May 2011 at 9:00am

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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 10:59pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by zorrro

The life in virtual world and the real world cannot remain separate for long. How long can anyone fake rudeness or politeness on the net?
 
In vitual world or real life, if someone says  "Maybe later..." is a polite way of saying "Never", and "Hold that thought," it's just a polite way of saying ''I'm not interested'',if someone say 'No' directly its true,other person feel its rude, but Is your life depend on others thoughts/comments, then you will stuck, you always think what others thinking about me blah blah things, Let them judge,they always do the same,cos their mind works that way and b4 judge anyone make sure you r better than them, or at least you r not one of them!!Smile
 


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I have 3 worlds at least.
Virtual, Real ( so called) and the Dream world.
 
They are all somehow inter-related and inter-twined.
 
There are other worlds which I have yet to discover.
 
This morning our internet at office was down, fortunately my iphone has direct access, so I was safe.
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 3:21am | IP Logged
Originally posted by night13


Welcome to the world wide web where practical philosophy deals with how we make decisions regarding social conduct on the Internet...

-- Should morals and ethics exist on Internet?
-- How is freedom of expression valued on the Internet?
What is the internet but an extension to real life? Both, the virtual and real lives affect each other in more ways than we can often think of. So, if there is a reason why we believe in having morals and ethics in the real world, the same should suffice for having them in the virtual world.
      Talking of freedom of expression, i think it is often more valued on the internet than in the real life. To be chased by stalkers is much more valuable (and fun) than not being listened to.LOL
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 3:30am | IP Logged
Originally posted by zorrro

The life in virtual world and the real world cannot remain separate for long. How long can anyone fake rudeness or politeness on the net?
Quite long actually. We often fake things in real world also, don't we? Mostly, because of certain incentives. The same can be the reason here.
(P.S. -on another wavelength, i wonder why faking something is not considered a part of someone's "real" nature. Arrey, the same person is faking na, )
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 5:09am | IP Logged
Simply put, real life is the wife
Virtual world is the mistress
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 7:34am | IP Logged
Originally posted by night13


Welcome to the world wide web where practical philosophy deals with how we make decisions regarding social conduct on the Internet...

-- Should morals and ethics exist on Internet?
-- How is freedom of expression valued on the Internet?



Moral and ethics are personal traits, I don't think its more so relate to the place where the person is, till that person is case with some personality syndrome. Internet gives you wider view of what and how people think in this parallel world. But this definitely needs to be controlled and like any new technology it can be real hazard for coming generations Ouch


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