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Epi 343: D-N The Real Eternal Story (Page 7)

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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 6:03pm | IP Logged
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Sometimes I wonder if he reacts so strongly in front of Naku because he knows that it's something that he can do and she'll still be there when he's thrown his private pity party and comes home :D I love DSP, but he needs to stop drinking. I mean, Damodar was an alcoholic. Kala was an alcoholic. He knows how much Naku despises alcohol since her father was an alcoholic too.
 
I want Naku to not hide anything from Dutta - no matter what. When she figures something out, go tell him right away. He might not listen, but he'll come around eventually. Just don't hide anything from him. It's one of his biggest issues. That people don't trust him enough to confide in him.
 
One thing about Dutta is that he has always given himself one hundred percent in any relationship involving people that he loves. He gave everything that he could to his sisters, yet it wasn't enough. They backstabbed him. He gave everything to Naku, opened his heart to her, gave her every single sign and symbol of his love for her to make sure that she felt loved. Yet she didn't have enough faith in him to reveal her true face to him first. It was what cut him the most.



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- Ana, what is that ROFLROFLROFL?!?!?! I've heard of "Kitty Parties", but "Pity Party" ROFLROFLROFL?!?!? Is there an actual word like that and am I the ignorant one here, or you made it up ROFLROFLROFL?!
 
I think it's a word LOL If it's not... oh well LOL Now it is. LOL. Now that the word has been officialised (again, God knows if there is such a word LOL), I've just realised that I've been a "party animal" ShockedOuch!


If you want people to trust you, you should also trust them na? What has Nakku or Baaji done that Dutta doesnt trust them Confused?! So I feel, if initially itself Dutta would have respected Nakku's words, and given her a chance to complete what she wanted to say, Nakku wouldnt have had to go about doing all this secretly. So I would say Nakku not trusting Dutta came as a result of Dutta not trusting her.
 
Hm. Perhaps you're right. But I don't see it as Dutta not trusting Naku. But she isn't exactly giving him a reason to trust her She is not trusting him because he dint trust her Big smile! If he had not dismissed her from even taking Nana's name, she wouldnt have had to do all this behind his back. by keeping things from him and only telling him when she's put in the spotlight and he confronts her head on. I mean, if he had not confronted them right then and there and blown up like that... would they have revealed the truth just then? I don't think so. They would have revealed the truth to him eventually, once they have gathered enough proof to convince him. Anyways, the current proof gathered by them is good enough to atleast bring Dutta to a "thinking" mode. I hope he is able to analyse the issue reasonably, and hope he wakes up in the morning as a more sensible man Big smile!

@ pink - That is a totally different issue - there Nakku was to be blamed, it was her fault that she dint trust that Dutta would STILL love her inspite of her beauty. But here the reason for Nakku not trusting Dutta is a more valid and evident one.
 
Yes, she was to blame. But how is this reason more valid than the other? Keeping secrets are keeping secrets. Not trusting is not trusting. Who decides which one is more valid or right than the other? Is that a relative question with a relative answer? Validity of a secret also depends upon the motive Wink. During FR, Nakku had no reason to believe Dutta would not accept her in her "asli roop", after having experienced the intensity of that man's love for so many months (since the time she was rescued from Anna's den). After FR, but she was 100% confident Dutta still loves her in her fair roop, how come Shocked?! If she had faith after FR that Dutta still loves her, why she dint have the same faith before the FR Confused?! So there, yes, Nakku WAS wrong in not trusting Dutta. But here, Dutta was the 1st person whom she spoke about Nana, not only once 5-6 times she tried, but she was strictly instructed NEVER to utter Nana's name! Nakku is well aware of the consequence of Dutta's blind faith in Nana, it can not only destry him, but his entire family! So for the welfare of Dutta and his family, Nakku had to take up this mission, which would not have been possible had Dutta been informed. If Dutta is in a thinking mode now, its ONLY thanks to Nakku's CIDgiri Wink!
And regarding Dutta-Nana history, I think whatever needs to be told is already out there, I'm not sure if we would have anything more to it Ermm. Nana saved Dutta's life TWICE, I guess thats just about it Ermm.
 
Yeah, but the circumstances in which he saved his life must've been significant as to the respect and trust Dutta has for him na. Circumstances and other elements in the situation he'd been in at the time... There could be more to it. Hmm, maybe Ermm. Lets wait and watch to see if there is more to this aspect of the story.

P.S :- I have named this post as "Chrismas Tree Post" for obvious reasons Big smile.




Edited by *dewdrop~pearl* - 26 May 2011 at 6:03pm

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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 6:09pm | IP Logged
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But wouldnt he have raised the same question to her at that time too, that how can she be SO sure that the picture was of Nana since the pic is an old one?
 
Yes, he would have. He might've even got pissed with her. But hearing the truth pieces at a time rather than getting them in the face all at once would've still been the best of the worst in the bunch, I think.
 
So you mean, you would prefer the DEATH of that person, to applying all means to save him/her?! See Ana, theoretically, these things are easier to say, but when faced with an ACTUAL situation where ACTUAL people whom you love more than anything else in this world are concerned, your decision might vary.
 
Yes, which is exactly why hypothetical questions are useless. But no, Appu, I never said that I would prefer the death of a person over to applying all means in order to save him/her. I wouldn't prefer the death at all. But I wouldn't do wrong in order to do right. I've seen enough extreme examples of means justifying the end to believe in its rightfulness. Dictators use that exact mind-set in order to gain power, for instance. I believe that right is right and wrong is wrong. You can't mix them together, make your own cocktail, and then assume that you did right, in the end. Your means have to pure as well as the goal.

So "rights" and "wrongs" are always subjective, in many cases its just a matter of perception.
 
I agree. It's a matter of perception. And your perception might be shaped by your religious/ spiritual beliefs. So really, we won't reach a mutual agreement on the means justifying the end or not matter, because we have different beliefs/perceptions of right and wrong.
 
There are very few "rights" and "wrongs" that are universal Wink. Saving someone's life is a bigger right than a small lie. So if something wrong has to happen, its better the smallest of them happens right Wink?
 
I won't give in. LOL Tongue You can only save someone's life if that person is meant to survive. If you choose the wrong means and the person dies anyway? Then what does that leave you with? However, if you choose the right means and the person dies anyway - you'll know that you did things the right way, but it just wasn't meant to be.
 
But like I said before, it's a conflict of beliefs/perceptions and rather than delving into it and end up in a looong religious debate in LTL episode threads (which would be fun with you, Appu, LOL, 'cause no one else debates with me as cheerfully as you do *sad face*)... I'd say we agree to disagree on this. *imitates Aragorn's voice* What say you?
This I agree on. All parties are wrong in their own ways LOL True, all 3 of them are wrong. Actually Aayisaheb should also be included among the wrong parties, as she was the one who INITIATED this entire thing, by being adamant about going to temple the first time, which caused Nakku to sneak out from there LOL!

LMAO. Yes, blame it on the oldie LOL Pendulum Mama Ji.
LOLLOLLOL



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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 6:24pm | IP Logged
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I think it's a word LOL If it's not... oh well LOL Now it is. LOL. Now that the word has been officialised (again, God knows if there is such a word LOL), I've just realised that I've been a "party animal" ShockedOuch!
 
Appu, LOL LOLLOLLOL
 
Hm. Perhaps you're right. But I don't see it as Dutta not trusting Naku. But she isn't exactly giving him a reason to trust her She is not trusting him because he dint trust her Big smile!
 
We both agree that trust, essentially, is trust. Regardless of what situation you are in, right? Dutta trusted Naku pre-FR and when her real face was revealed that hurt him, confused him, but deep down he still trusted her, knew that she wouldn't just leave him because she loved him.
 
I don't believe that Dutta is distrusting Naku now or has pre-tonight's episode. The trust-issue he has is actually with himself. The fact that he could be wrong. Having trusted a man that shouldn't have been trusted and the harsh reality of that truth - it's what's essentially bothering him. He does trust Naku. More than he trusts himself, is what I believe.
 
If he had not dismissed her from even taking Nana's name, she wouldnt have had to do all this behind his back.
 
Kya re, Appu. That's a sad excuse for doing what she did na. I mean, if she wasn't allowed to say his name, she could just refer to him as left-sided grin wale saab and keep on with her persistent battle to make him see the truth. LOL.
 
They would have revealed the truth to him eventually...
 
Eventually. Yes. But when would that eventually have come exactly?
 
I hope he is able to analyse the issue reasonably, and hope he wakes up in the morning as a more sensible man Big smile!
 
Gosh, I dang hope so too!
But here, Dutta was the 1st person whom she spoke about Nana, not only once 5-6 times she tried, but she was strictly instructed NEVER to utter Nana's name! Nakku is well aware of the consequence of Dutta's blind faith in Nana, it can not only destry him, but his entire family! So for the welfare of Dutta and his family, Nakku had to take up this mission, which would not have been possible had Dutta been informed. If Dutta is in a thinking mode now, its ONLY thanks to Nakku's CIDgiri Wink!
 
Let's not forget that Dutta was made to refuse Naku all those time in order to lead up to this confrontation of lies and a break-down. But regardless, Naku is known to be more persistent than this. It surprises me that she gave up after 5 times.
 
P.S :- I have named this post as "Chrismas Tree Post" for obvious reasons Big smile.
LMAO, Appu ROFL You're brilliant, dude.

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Edited by Elysia - 26 May 2011 at 6:32pm

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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 6:32pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Elysia

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But wouldnt he have raised the same question to her at that time too, that how can she be SO sure that the picture was of Nana since the pic is an old one?
 
Yes, he would have. He might've even got pissed with her. But hearing the truth pieces at a time rather than getting them in the face all at once would've still been the best of the worst in the bunch, I think. But if she would have told him the truth the first instance itself, the 2nd set of proofs would not have seen light, as Dutta wouldnt have encouraged further investigation on the matter. And at that stage, Nakku dint have any "hardcore" proofs with her, like she has now.
 
So you mean, you would prefer the DEATH of that person, to applying all means to save him/her?! See Ana, theoretically, these things are easier to say, but when faced with an ACTUAL situation where ACTUAL people whom you love more than anything else in this world are concerned, your decision might vary.
 
Yes, which is exactly why hypothetical questions are useless. But no, Appu, I never said that I would prefer the death of a person over to applying all means in order to save him/her. I wouldn't prefer the death at all. But I wouldn't do wrong in order to do right. I've seen enough extreme examples of means justifying the end to believe in its rightfulness. Dictators use that exact mind-set in order to gain power, for instance. I believe that right is right and wrong is wrong. You can't mix them together, make your own cocktail, and then assume that you did right, in the end. Your means have to pure as well as the goal. There is nothing extreme here LOL, its just a small lie Nakku says for the sake of someone else's well being. Yeh dictators kaha se aa gayi bhai, aur woh bhi humare petite Nakku ke comparison mein LOL?!

 
There are very few "rights" and "wrongs" that are universal Wink. Saving someone's life is a bigger right than a small lie. So if something wrong has to happen, its better the smallest of them happens right Wink?
 
I won't give in. LOL Tongue You can only save someone's life if that person is meant to survive. If you choose the wrong means and the person dies anyway? Then what does that leave you with? However, if you choose the right means and the person dies anyway - you'll know that you did things the right way, but it just wasn't meant to be. What you are talking about is SERIOUS wrongs which you might never be able to forgive yourself, if done, like for eg., killing someone else to save the life of the one you love! I'm talking about "harmless & subjective wrongs". If "wrongs" and "rights" were on the same platform, yes, its better to go for right. But again, as I mentioned, if the "wrong" mentioned here is a harmless one, then it might be fine compared to a bigger right it might bring on. If a harmless lie can save the life of the one you love, wont you do that? Especially when you know this lie will not harm anyone else in return, but will definitely save the life of an innocent person. So by "wrong" I dont mean the real heavy-duty wrongs like killing, etc., just a small innocent harmless lie maybe Big smile, as against something as big as the life of a person. 
 
But like I said before, it's a conflict of beliefs/perceptions and rather than delving into it and end up in a looong religious debate in LTL episode threads (which would be fun with you, Appu, LOL, 'cause no one else debates with me as cheerfully as you do *sad face*)... I'd say we agree to disagree on this. *imitates Aragorn's voice* What say you? Alright, lets agree to disagree, dude Smile! Btw, check out the GOTW thread, me and Moony have come up with couple of "soulful" scripts there Big smile!

This I agree on. All parties are wrong in their own ways LOL True, all 3 of them are wrong. Actually Aayisaheb should also be included among the wrong parties, as she was the one who INITIATED this entire thing, by being adamant about going to temple the first time, which caused Nakku to sneak out from there LOL!

LMAO. Yes, blame it on the oldie LOL Pendulum Mama Ji.
LOLLOLLOL





Edited by *dewdrop~pearl* - 26 May 2011 at 6:36pm

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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 6:44pm | IP Logged
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But if she would have told him the truth the first instance itself, the 2nd set of proofs would not have seen light, as Dutta wouldnt have encouraged further investigation on the matter. And at that stage, Nakku dint have any "hardcore" proofs with her, like she has now.
 
We can't know now if the proof would've seen the light without her involvement. If it was meant to come forth and stand before Dutta, then it would have - with or without Naku's involvement. For instance, another souce might've become involved instead of Naku in bringing forth the truth?
 
There is nothing extreme here LOL, its just a small lie Nakku says for the sake of someone else's well being. Yeh dictators kaha se aa gayi bhai, aur woh bhi humare petite Nakku ke comparison mein LOL?!
 
Exactly, Appu. When you first mentioned a situation for me with someone I loved and having to do wrong, I thought the same thing. It can't be compared to Dutta's situation as each and every situation has specific factors involved and thus will be related to in different ways - and some situations are more extreme than others. So all these hypothetical questions are no use. The focus is Dutta's situation, right? And whether Naku should have disobeyed him in order to find proof (and satisfy her curiosity). I say no. Because things could've been tackled differently and in a more... right way.
 
But anyway. Moving on now.
  
What you are talking about is SERIOUS wrongs which you might never be able to forgive yourself, if done, like for eg., killing someone else to save the life of the one you love! I'm talking about "harmless & subjective wrongs".
 
I don't believe in harmless wrongs. That's a contradiction in itself.
 
In Dutta's case, the lies Baji and Naku fed him did hurt him. It harmed him, didn't it? So who decides which lie is "right" to make use of and which isn't? In the end, it's all subjective na.
 
Alright, lets agree to disagree, dude Smile! Btw, check out the GOTW thread, me and Moony have come up with couple of soulful scripts there Big smile!
 
LOL. I read your DuJi love story. LMAO. Fab, Appu, fab Clap I'll be reading on tomorrow Wink Wait a second. It is tomorrow -_- I need to go to bed.


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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 6:50pm | IP Logged
OKAY. Goodnight, Appu. I am so going now. Thanks for two hours of debate that deprived me of two hours of my beauty sleep. You know I need my beauty sleep. Dutta can't see me as ugly. Naku ko toh apnaya usne.. but I don't think he'd make the same mistake twice LOL
 
Wait a second. Did I just insult myself?


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Dear Bandbajao,

Hope you slept well, irrespective of whether your Donkeys found a buyer or not.

As for today's (last nights?) episode, after having seen it and the precap, I went straight to the archives and fished out the 16th dec'10 episode. A sibling scene I treasure much. Then one thing leading to another I was witness to that evening when Baji sang for Dutta, Dutta sang for Naku and then Baji's drunken showdown with the man who makes his world.
That got me thinking, what type of an individual is Baji?
Felt like asking him, kis mitti ka bana hai re tu?
He would probably have answered, "kachchi mitti ka. Dutta mujhe jab, jis sache mein dhalta hai, dhal jata hun." 
Do they really make men like Baji?
He was there to to pick up the pieces when Sima left Dutta. He took his hand and walked him back to sanity when Dutta stood shattered after his first kill. Then stood shoulder to shoulder when Dutta went through the transformation to Bhau. Willingly took up the multitasking of being his Man Friday to his alter ego. It was Baji who first sensed the love blooming between his friend and Naku, the first to try protect that love from all the storms that were engulfing it, because he did not want his friend to lose such a pure relationship.
Today too he shrugged aside all insults, accusations and hurt to worry about Dutta's mental state. Its Dutta's turmoils, his destiny, his pain, his tribulations that tear Baji apart.
Yet has this man not hung on to that same roller coaster ride that is their lives together? 
He has been Dutta's shadow for more than twenty years. Yet do we know of his past? He has to be an orphan. A loner in a way because he always hides his real emotional needs and scars. I mean he has to have at least some, if not many. He too must have felt revolted the day he shot his first victim, but did he express it? Was there anyone by his side to help him overcome that phase? How does Baji deal with all this psychologically?  
 Baji is a chatterbox but he seldom expresses his real self, seldom shows that very serious side he carries within. May be Madhu had a glimpse once, but there too it was more a Dutta related issue than Baji. I agree, this man doesn't have a life of his own, more clearly, doesn't even believe he can have a life of his own beyond Dutta. He has not learn't to look beyond Dutta in his life. How I wish I had Baji for a friend. But guess one has to be extremely blessed to have a boon like Baji in their lives.
For me, today's episode belonged as much to Baji as Dutta. I thank the writer for having created Baji.
Vinay, thanks for giving life to Baji. Just as there can be no Dutta besides MR, there can't be a Baji without you.

A drunken Dutta atop his open hood jeep...this has always been a show stopper and the case was no different today. 
At times I get this feeling that Dutta's biggest pleasure lies in his self pity. MR invariably came up with another stunning performance. With all that help from Ana, the scene flowed like a dream Smile
What looks like an improvement is Dutta reflecting on what Naku and Baji had said. He has finally started thinking.
Dutta's soliloquy with his late father was also a pointer. Showed, despite all that hate, he remains intrigued by Damodar. Loathes his virasat, his uttaradhikar, yet still wants a lot many answers from that same man. He simply can't ignore the blood tie. Why else would he be talking to Damodar's memories? He remembers that last hug. why? 

So I thought about what has transpired and had this feeling that may be Dutta will be more than a little wistful today when Madhu tells him of her childhood, of the days she had shared with their father. Will Dutta have a tiny pang for not having been a part of that scene himself?
I don't know what Madhu 's going to tell him, how hurt she feels right now. All I know is, Dutta won't let her go. But Madhu being as strong headed as he, things will surely turn interesting. Today when Dutta walked past her without even looking at her, it was more an acknowledgement of her presence than anything else. Dutta knows Madhu understands his moods, so he need not be polite with her, but then again this man takes people too much for granted. 
But one thing is for sure, Dutta has not just accepted the sibling ties, he cares for Madhu. 
He is trying to reach out to his sister.


Just one last bit before I stop boring one and all,
You can take Nanasaheb's name away from him, But you cannot dethrone a style icon. 

Call him whatever you like, he will still be a rose.



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