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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 2:37pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by night13

Originally posted by persistence

Ok, haven't read thru the entire thread, but got to say the following is debatable:

Its history and nothing is going to change the fact.


people write history; different versions can and do exist. No such thing as a "fact"...just a reality/perception. Not that this is an ontological debate. :)


As long as you don't ask me to show proof: existence of GOD!  I rather this debate falls under the category of perception. Wink
ps. Isn't perception everything!


Why would I? You are not an evolutionist and I am not an intelligent design theorist! SmileWe are only asking: What is truth/reality? In my worldview, everything is perception. A positivist/post-positivist might disagree!

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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 2:43pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by persistence


Your scenario sounds like the last episode of Chicago Code. The evil dude did end up in jail in the end. :)

Never even heard of it before this. I guess if you have taken time out to follow it, it must've been interesting.

Anyways 'powerful and corrupt' is not a rare combination. And we all know how difficult it can be to bring them to justice. That's my whole point.

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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 2:49pm | IP Logged

Souro – your proposition would justify assassination in the eyes of someone who views it as the end of power and corruption and not necessarily acquit someone. It would need proof beyond reasonable doubt that the person assassinated was guilty of crimes. It does not make sense to make a loophole to a murder law for such a narrow scenario (narrow in the sense that it is virtually impossible to prove)

 

In the case of almost every trial there are people completely convinced of the opposite to what the decision is.

 

That being said what you propose is that Gandhi was guilty of capital offenses. I'd disagree with that. I think his intentions was good and he did wish to serve honestly, but his vision was too myopic and idealistic. Hypothetically, if you were to try Gandhi today, what charges would you bring across him and what sort of proofs do you believe you could present?

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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 3:40pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by K.Resurrected.

Perhaps "The Real Debate", even if as an introspection, should be about "what have you done for your country?!", instead of being an armchair critic and niggling on the decisions taken (in the past) by a great leader and a freedom fighter, who actually sacrificed his life fighting for the betterment of the country.


now wouldn't that be the real debateLOL
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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 3:42pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by monar

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perhaps I am too oldErmm...but what does this mean?
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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 4:06pm | IP Logged
No doubt this petite persona had an aura around him, but some of  his decisions were repulsive. Still, to me no one alone shall be given the credit for something which was attained by communal efforts. Gandhi is definitely the face of Indian Independence but not the sole representative and my thoughts don't align with Gandhi jis decision.

- He could have stopped assassination of Sukhdev, rajguru and Bhagat singh.
- total independence was never the moto of congress it got changed after Bhagat singh's revolution.
- he should have had taken Jinnah's theory seriously.
- Sardar Patel should have nominated as prime minister not nehru

I never understood what Nehru did to be the first prime minister (India still struggling to overcome this dynasty structure). Nehru wasn't the great leader or strategist, The most deserving person was Sardar Patel "the iron man" . Anyways this leadershiip conflict leads to the partition the most dreadful decision ever made. Whatever I read and reconciled, The egoist clashes between Jinnah Vs congress over power was the one reason. Jinnah triggered the religious agitation across India, the funny thing about religion is, its the dreadest weapon in political history of any nation, he used it. and Gandhi never took that seriously, until 1946 riots over two nation theory. Azad warned him and proposed "federation" govt with less rights to central govt and more to provincial. And added to it, the proposal was to divide province based on religion (Which as an Indian I never will support) to subside Jinnah's two nations theory. Gandhi strip down Azad from congress committee president and promoted Nehru.

Godse the follower of united India was shattered so was many other "Indians" including Maulana Abul Kalam Azad. his agitation was justified but Gandhi's assassination isn't.
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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 4:08pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by blue-ice

Originally posted by monar

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perhaps I am too oldErmm...but what does this mean?


I am not sure if you ever travel through trains or buses in India ... this was my "handkerchief" to reserve my spot LOL

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Posted: 25 May 2011 at 4:17pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by monar

Originally posted by blue-ice

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res!


perhaps I am too oldErmm...but what does this mean?


I am not sure if you ever travel through trains or buses in India ... this was my "handkerchief" to reserve my spot LOL


OKLOLLOL...I get it...but what was so special about that spot that u had to reserve itLOL

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