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Posted: 22 May 2011 at 1:21pm | IP Logged
If someone cares for a bit of a contrary opinion.. Although I do agree with Rajvi's stand.. I cant bring myself to empathize with Sid's loss in this particular scenario.. To me it was IMVs or Devki's loss from the bg.. coz these 2 were the ones who directly got involved in planning for the project.. Although the project was meant for Sid it was like daddy dearest was gonna hand it to him once he wins it for him.. I guess that's his deal.. he starts the bidding process by himself.. whether its the hotel project for vaibhav or the aviation deal for Sid. so these 2 boys have sort of a legacy..a silver platter.. Although I would not doubt their credentials.. esp Vaibhav's

As for Devki.. she had decided to learn the tricks of the trade independently.. not under her grandfather's patronage.. so even now when she is taking his company in her hands, she is the one working first hand on it. Just shows the contrast in background.. in that league IMV and Devki are similar.. esp coz Devki has learnt from IMV..

So all in all I see this deal as a loss for IMV (or for that matter Devki had she lost) rather than a loss for Sid or Bhawanji Bha altho the latter 2 were the people the project was gonna be furthered by.. but IM/D were the front runners and the face of it.. besides it did not look like Sid was esp that upset about it.. and there I completely went with Vaibhav's logical stand.. get Devki out of the way with this deal and get Sid another project.. coz at the end it looks like they will GET a project for him.. not have him bag himself one.. 


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Posted: 22 May 2011 at 9:55pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by koolsadhu1000

v also praises her when necessary but he is quick to criticise her too, v is so very honest with her
 
And I like that about V ...thats how a husband shud ideally be . Once when she was constantly making those mixed signal statements like as a businesswoman how she wants to make her mark and How V shud NOT step back from the competition as she wants the best for him as a WIFE ...V just cut her short and bluntly said ...Then U step back .LOL She was so taken aback .LOL
 
Vaibhav sees things as THEY ARE . Whether its Dalichand's misery , whether its business rivalry...he sees things EXACTLY as they are . Devki is too full of idealism to see the very obvious . Not Vaibhav .
Devki keeps berating her father but does not understand when he screams out and tells TAke away the money , I wont be able to control myself ...she has no knowledge of the horrific withdrawal symptoms of alcoholism . For her its always a filmy ideal solution ...Daddy shud look at his little girl's face , feel a surge of fatherly love and stop drinking ...so simple . She has ZERO knowledge of the PAIN alcoholics go through . But Vaibhav understands and doesn't judge .
 
Actually , Vaivhav is a hard headed businessman . He REALLY knows business . I wud like to see HIS acumen in business too , besides the Devki jaap .
 
 



yes koolsadhu that what i like abt v, i find him as the most sensible character in this show,
i like it that he praises and critisises d also. thats the way it should be
honestly if v was not there to check d wonder what would have happened..LOL
LOLhe does not want to be mahaan, he is a gr8 thinker and a very patient listener, whenver he speaks , u know hw has put alot of thought behind that.
he has a gr8 insight of the future , he knew this deal would cause some trouble, he had warned d
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Posted: 22 May 2011 at 10:03pm | IP Logged
 Although I do agree with Rajvi's stand.. I cant bring myself to empathize with Sid's loss in this particular scenario.. To me it was IMVs or Devki's loss from the bg.. coz these 2 were the ones who directly got involved in planning for the project.. Although the project was meant for Sid it was like daddy dearest was gonna hand it to him once he wins it for him.. I guess that's his deal.. he starts the bidding process by himself.. whether its the hotel project for vaibhav or the aviation deal for Sid. so these 2 boys have sort of a legacy..a silver platter.. Although I would not doubt their credentials.. esp Vaibhav's
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Actually sonali if u note I have not empathised with sid at all ...my sympathies lie totally with Rajvi .
 
The two contestants were IMV and Devki but the loss and the gains have their own repercussions .
 
If IMV lost , Sid lost , Rajvi lost , Vaibhhav lost . If Devki won ...BB won .
 
Speaking of silver platters ...I admit that the Virani boys are inheriting a readymade legacy . It was IMV who went thru the struggle .
 
But frankly speaking ...as I observe Devki's progress , she too is not shown struggling much . She has many many benefits simply handed to her on a platter and honestly i failed to see her struggle and her struggle story failed to touch me .
 
She has the Virani name behind her
 
She has full support of sasural
 
She has BB's experienced guidance
 
She always had Vaibhav asking her if she needed help
 
Ultimately Vaibhav did help
 
She had Manhar supplying information
 
She had Manhar on her side and he played a vital role in giving her the contract
 
Since her first day in sasural , IMV has pampered her as a sasur . New car , this and that . He attended all the lunches hosted by her and never forbade her from doing ANYTHING ...be it being a business rival or turning down his offer . IMv wanted to make a cabin with latest technologies only for her . He is a ruthless businessman but he honestly has been an excellent sasur to DEvki ...He has only given and given ever since she stepped in the house . Right from allowing the Ganpati idol in the house to gifting her cars , jewels , joining Charu in pampering her , IMV has encouraged her .
 
Where has Devki faced hungama from sasural inspite of standing against husband ? I dont see her fighting sasural to keep her head above water ...Baa , Charu , Manhar , Master . Sid , Vaibhav and even IMV have made it easy for her to take the steps she has taken by not imposing PERSONAL relations on her . Their objectibity was commendable .
 
She inherited BB's business and his name and goodwill . Husbands backing .
 
Her finances were arranged by husband and  She dint have any worry from sasural ...no opposition nor a single kadwa word .
 
If Virani boys inherited legacy , Devki too is being given royal treatment .She has been shown to win twice ...with Lady Luck smiling on her . I do hope they show some real struggle , not like this each time .
 
 


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I must admit I am a little puzzled at some of the comments. A woman should taste defeat or consider her family before she takes them on in a business environment? Why? Why should it be the woman's lot to be the peace maker or the person who holds the family together? It would appear that women believe that if it's a choice between career and home, a man has the right to chose work but a woman perforce must chose home.

 

Virani group has enough and more businesses so why could the Viranis not step back and allow their daughter-in-law to take this business - at the end of the day it would till be their ghar ki bahu doing them proud.

 

Yes, one feels bad for Sid, and one admires him for his magnanimity in being happy for Devaki but maybe Sid's wife should direct her grouse against IMV rather than Devaki simply cos they don't have the courage to take on IMV. Is this the only business that the Viranis have that Sid could do? To my mind Devaki deserves this more, cos she is the one who is fighting for it while its Sid's dad who is getting it for him!

 

And does IMV really encourage the women in his family? Is that why he never tried to get over Chandraprabha and didn't give his wife her due? Which is why he is happy to ruin Devaki's life?  Even his reaction to losing this deal underlines the fact that what his mother is doing is right. She recognises her son for what he really is - egotistical, driven and vindictive - and while she understands and sympathises with what drove him to become so, she also has the courage to try and ensure that his vendetta doesn't destroy an innocent life.

 

I feel sorry for both Vaibhav and Devaki cos they are both pawns in a deadly game being played by IMV.  Devaki cos she knows not that the impetus behind her marriage is pure revenge for IMV. Even more so for Vaibhav - cos he is feeling bad for a father who didn't blink about destroying his love life and has happily sacrificed him at the alter of his (IMV's) desire for revenge by getting him married to Devaki...

 

.. and whether you like it or not, when you do things driven by anger, desire to hurt, you can control what you do but not what actually ends up happening...IMV has rolled the die, but cant control where the chips will fall and what and who all they will destroy in the process!

 

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I must admit I am a little puzzled at some of the comments. A woman should taste defeat or consider her family before she takes them on in a business environment? Why? Why should it be the woman's lot to be the peace maker or the person who holds the family together? It would appear that women believe that if it's a choice between career and home, a man has the right to chose work but a woman perforce must chose home.  My dear no one here is saying Devki shud suffer defeat coz she is a WOMAN . I insist She shud be served defeat occasionally by the creatives so we find this serial more credible . We really cannot accept this story for long if EACH time SHE wins and IMV stands there , not displaying ANY of his business genius That has been spoken of so much in the serial . The struggle won't be interesting then . Infact I was thinking of making a seperate post on this topic .  Infact I agree with u ...Women can do ALL the things man can ...so show a PROPER struggle , not such an EASY one ! Uptill now , her struggle has been nothing so special with her whole sasural pampering her every step of the way .

As far as why shud it be the woman's lot to hold the family together or be the peace maker ...why not ? The argument can be made both ways ...Why shud an unbending feminist stand be taken just for the heck of it ? She did  step into marraige , right ? Did she REALLY expect  that she wud stay in a family and constantly be against it AND be happy ? It honestly does NOT work that way , not in real life at least . ! So why not show that some realisations dawn upon HER as well ? Marraige is a commitment too ...Vaibhav had clearly told her to walk out ! He has been honest right from before the marraige !  If she wanted to do BB BB BB then she shud have stayed with BB , what was the hurry to marry a rival group ? There can be lots of IFS and BUTS if an argument is advanced ...but my point is ONLY this ...If it never struck Devki that the ideal solution wud be merging BB with Viranis and finding a solution thats beneficial to BOTH , let her deal with the nitty gritty in a REAL way . Not once do I say She shud step back ...but she shud not be STUNNED when Vaibhav cryptically said that ...he only showed her the cut throat corporate mirror , there was nothing chauvinistic about his dry statement AT ALL . In fact the way he has handled this has been amazing ...He thought about it from all angles . Just making idealistic dialogues saying OH NO U MUST NOT STEP BACK ...to Husband , doesn't really mean a THING . SOMEONE has to step back , u cannot have it BOTH ways . The praise I felt for Vaibhav was as a sensible human ...not as a man .

Virani group has enough and more businesses so why could the Viranis not step back and allow their daughter-in-law to take this business - at the end of the day it would till be their ghar ki bahu doing them proud. Again ...Whats there to be proud if ghar ki bahu is taking away business contracts from them ? Puzzled .Confused

 

Yes, one feels bad for Sid, and one admires him for his magnanimity in being happy for Devaki but maybe Sid's wife should direct her grouse against IMV rather than Devaki simply cos they don't have the courage to take on IMV. Is this the only business that the Viranis have that Sid could do? To my mind Devaki deserves this more, cos she is the one who is fighting for it while its Sid's dad who is getting it for him! What MAGANIMITY ? Why cannot he show same maganimity to his WIFe ? Why shud Sids wife direct grouse at IMV ? IMV is giving her everything ...she is IMV's bahu ...why shud she feel for Devki's personal idealistic goal of making HER maika's company big ? Again , Puzzled .Confused

 

And does IMV really encourage the women in his family? Is that why he never tried to get over Chandraprabha and didn't give his wife her due? Which is why he is happy to ruin Devaki's life?  Even his reaction to losing this deal underlines the fact that what his mother is doing is right. She recognises her son for what he really is - egotistical, driven and vindictive - and while she understands and sympathises with what drove him to become so, she also has the courage to try and ensure that his vendetta doesn't destroy an innocent life. What does his love story with Chandraprabha have anything to do with proving how he does not encourage women ? Thats a seperate issue altogether . of course he is egoistic and vindictive , no one denies that ...but he does not tie his women down in the house condemning them to cook , bear children and be trophy wives ! He is today trying to crush Devki as a business rival ...he wud do SAME to a Man too ...he is NOT trying to crush her coz she is a woman . I find that laudable in him although he is a villain . A nice , refreshing Villain .Smile

 

I feel sorry for both Vaibhav and Devaki cos they are both pawns in a deadly game being played by IMV.  Devaki cos she knows not that the impetus behind her marriage is pure revenge for IMV. Even more so for Vaibhav - cos he is feeling bad for a father who didn't blink about destroying his love life and has happily sacrificed him at the alter of his (IMV's) desire for revenge by getting him married to Devaki...I agree here .Smile

 

.. and whether you like it or not, when you do things driven by anger, desire to hurt, you can control what you do but not what actually ends up happening...IMV has rolled the die, but cant control where the chips will fall and what and who all they will destroy in the process! Agree !

 

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3 wise options
Compete together with outsiders - You have more force to defeat others
Compete seperately with outsiders in different domains - You have a chance of double bonanaza
Enter the competition under different names as different participants - When used as an strategy to keep outsiders at bay, it can be regarded as a master stroke. There are certain laws against it but people use it all the time, especially the politicians. Wife and husband, mother and son, father and son make sure that they contest the elections from different parties to ensure that the power remains in the same family.
 
A complete no-no
Competing within - that's absolute self cannabalization which could either be foolish or selfish unless it's a very well thought out strategy.
 
But that's not the case with MB. IMV offcourse doesn't want BB's business to grow for his personal vendetta. He won't even acquire BB even if it would help his business. Because that won't make BB to suffer and his desire to see BB suffer is even more than his desire to make business profits. Is that right? Off course not! However, it's not a strategy to keep outsiders at bay, from his side.
It's not any such strategy from D's side either. She is doing it just to make her own identity so that she could be proud of herself and her accomplishments and achievemnets, earned on her own. Nothing wrong with that. But for that if she has to do things which could go against her husband/in laws' interest, she is game for that too. Perhaps nothing wrong with that too. But to claim even after all this that she should be admired and regarded as a nice wife and perfect bahu, is something which true equalist won't favor. Feminists and pseudo equalists may.
 
And it has nothing to do with being a woman or a man. If D's business was of 16 leakh crores and VV's business was of a few crores, may be it would have made more economic sense for his business to get acquired by D's. Even if he desired to make an idependent name for him, it would be foolish for him to compete with D. It's always better to have non-competing contract if family members are not together in business. Even Ambanis did so even when they actually had a bitter split.
 
And well VV did offer to step back. When D said that he shouldn't only then he suggested that in that case D should step back. But D didn't want even that. Guess she was actually interesting in knowing if she had it in her to defeat the might of Vaibhav group. It was all to reassure her ego that she is too good a businesswoman. Her ego would also hurt if she is not considered a good wife and DIL. Her aim is not to be a good wife/DIL but to be regarded, established and certified as one.
 
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D's ego is no less than IMV but it doesn't show as she still hasn't made it big. But she too is doing things for her ego, so that she can feel good about herself, feel proud of herself, so that her self worth, self esteem is not hurt. Just that it's named self respect in case of D and ego in case of IMV.
 
One thing's different though. IMV wears his ego on his sleeves but he stops at explicitly showing off that he is biiger and you are smaller. D on the other hand has a knack of telling others, "Look!  I still don't consider myself better than you or you lesser than me even though I just established that I am so much better than you. I am so great. Did you just see that? Did you notice that I don't have low opinion of you or high opinion of me even after I just made you look so small in front of him?'
 
She wants "laddoo in both her hands" and that's perfectly ok to wish for. People can be successful in home and at work together and it's good to strive for that. But what you simply can't have is to eat your cake and have it too. There's a difference in being good and being successful. She wants to be successful bahu/wife, one who is regarded as good for which all she needs to do in this Virani household is to dole out some sweet gestures and certain filmi dialogues 'as a businesswoman, as a bahu'. But to be actually good is not easy as it calls for a willingness to scarifise if not an actual sacrifce. Strange that there is a really good wife in Rajvi but she is not a successful wife as people don't go gaga over her which is the real criteria of being successful.
 
There's only one thing where D has been better than IMV though. IMV has done villainous deeds while D hasn' been vampish. But she has not been the Goddess either which she has been shown to be.
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Guess that happens in real life too. You can be a horrible husband but still hailed as sucessful and great husband simply because your wife is so good that she still doesn't have any complaints with you and still adores you. People marvel on how you balance work and family when the fact is that you don't do any balancing at all. You have always put work ahead of family and sacrifised your family obligations and responsibilities for work. It's you however who is called successful in work and family both when actually it's your wife and children who have made all the sacrifices. No one calls you a failure simply because you are lucky to have a family who has no complaints even if you love your career more than them and are willing to sacrifise their interest for your career. If you are professionally big then if you live in a family (are not divorced and there is no public knowledge of family discord), you are a successful husband by default and are doing a great balancing act no matter what the real truth is.

Or you can be a wonderfull husband but you are a failed husband for your wife is too demanding and no matter how much you do for her, no matter how much sacrifices you made, it's not good enough for her.

Same can be true for a woman too.

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