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Posted: 20 May 2011 at 6:59am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

Seems that whichever model is used they fail terribly where corruption is rampant. A strong Govt us needed to clean up things and keep law n order, price is sacrifice of personal freedom.
Singapore is a Parliamentary Republic with a very strong One Party control. She grossly overpays the Ministers under the excuse that it is not easy to draw good people to join. What is forgotten is that this also dissuades the bad ones from leaving. But it checks corruption.
So far model is working n country safe. But it is hard for the poor to survive due to rising costs especially property prices n basics.
They should give free medical and education to the citizens. So called subsidized rates are still expensive for some. Hope this can be improved further.

But Singapore is most safe and efficient. It is a no nonsense place and basically commercially orientated. Has been labelled a Policeman country.
System works well but with change of times some of the methods too have to change. Still overall it is a good model but still there are several areas that need improvement.

Recently there has been some opposition parties gaining some parliamentary seats and the trend will continue.



Is Singapore ready to leave PAP behind and move onto a new era?

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Posted: 20 May 2011 at 8:16am | IP Logged
Originally posted by night13

Being an idealist, am I expecting too much good from people...I still believe in human kind to do the right thing. :)

There is nothing wrong with wanting a democratic society, where eco/political decisions reflect the common good. Why shouldn't we complete what the worlds largest democracy began,basically all democracies utilizes socialism, where money is redistributed via taxes to pay for medical, security, police, defense, federal, state, locals, and any other government entity!All stuff the private sector can not do with out the government intervention. For which if there is no redistribution then you have no government whatsoever!

I totally agree with capitalism will be around forever, but hope for socialism will always live.



YA democratic society does circulate the money in public sector through taxes. But basic model allows private profitable sector to grow like in free market, thats work for economic growth.  Like in India before 1991 all major infrastructure sector like power, education, Telecom, aviation, transportation are under government control no privatization in these sector.  The outcome of that  was monopoly of government in those sector, low quality product with no competition, Prices manipulation, which was not only very anti consumerism  but anti-economic-growth too. With the step of drastic liberalization of economy from then till now in profitable business sector, monpoly is reduced, competition is increased, prices are checked, employment is increased, with all those pros inflation and corruption increased too. 
I am talking more about India as I closely studied only its economy Socialism is there in India, but  capitalism has taken over profitable business sector whereas socialism is more restricted to few government sectors.
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Posted: 20 May 2011 at 1:46pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by kuls11

Originally posted by night13

Being an idealist, am I expecting too much good from people...I still believe in human kind to do the right thing. :)

There is nothing wrong with wanting a democratic society, where eco/political decisions reflect the common good. Why shouldn't we complete what the worlds largest democracy began,basically all democracies utilizes socialism, where money is redistributed via taxes to pay for medical, security, police, defense, federal, state, locals, and any other government entity!All stuff the private sector can not do with out the government intervention. For which if there is no redistribution then you have no government whatsoever!

I totally agree with capitalism will be around forever, but hope for socialism will always live.



YA democratic society does circulate the money in public sector through taxes. But basic model allows private profitable sector to grow like in free market, thats work for economic growth.  Like in India before 1991 all major infrastructure sector like power, education, Telecom, aviation, transportation are under government control no privatization in these sector.  The outcome of that  was monopoly of government in those sector, low quality product with no competition, Prices manipulation, which was not only very anti consumerism  but anti-economic-growth too. With the step of drastic liberalization of economy from then till now in profitable business sector, monpoly is reduced, competition is increased, prices are checked, employment is increased, with all those pros inflation and corruption increased too. 
I am talking more about India as I closely studied only its economy Socialism is there in India, but  capitalism has taken over profitable business sector whereas socialism is more restricted to few government sectors.


You tend to hold a capitalist mind and a socialist heart.:)

Though India may ventured in to the capitalist market, the monopoly between the private-sector  will increase thus will lead to inflation. One of the major factor which currently drive India to a capitalist market is the out-sourced market, even though there is globalization the socialist politicians still hold back on the IT sector. As long as the Indian politicians are in power not to serve their people but to make money: Indian will remain uncertain in market stability.



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Posted: 21 May 2011 at 3:45pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by night13

Is Singapore ready to leave PAP behind and move onto a new era?

Overall PAP is still the best but they should not have absolute power.
It opens up avenues for complacency apart from abuse too.
But generally they are efficient and effective even though some of their policies can be improved upon.
In the early days it was fine as communism was rampant and disruptive, there was little order and racial fights too.
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Posted: 21 May 2011 at 11:29pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

Originally posted by night13

Is Singapore ready to leave PAP behind and move onto a new era?

Overall PAP is still the best but they should not have absolute power.
It opens up avenues for complacency apart from abuse too.
But generally they are efficient and effective even though some of their policies can be improved upon.
In the early days it was fine as communism was rampant and disruptive, there was little order and racial fights too.
 
Communism is a beautiful concept...equal opportunity without any religious concepts,and nobody can rich and nobody can pooor..or we can say remove fictions from our mind..Marxs version is more deeper..but now a days all are so religious and trying to get more n more power and money...so current situation very difficult to practice.Smile
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Posted: 22 May 2011 at 7:01pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

Originally posted by night13

Is Singapore ready to leave PAP behind and move onto a new era?

Overall PAP is still the best but they should not have absolute power.
It opens up avenues for complacency apart from abuse too.
But generally they are efficient and effective even though some of their policies can be improved upon.
In the early days it was fine as communism was rampant and disruptive, there was little order and racial fights too.


Despite the fact that Singapore is know as a 2nd largest capitalist country it's still governed by communist leaders. Thus the people are forced to pay more taxes and vote for only one dominant political party. It's still confusing as the motives that drive the PAP are far from marxist, and are not for the betterment of the people.
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Posted: 22 May 2011 at 7:19pm | IP Logged
Singapore's Former PAP leader n ex PM, Mr Lee was former from a communist party that fought against the British for independence. He formed a new Democratic party. Singapore cannot risk any racial unrest, being a small country it is most vulnerable. Govt is Fully aware of this.
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Posted: 22 May 2011 at 7:53pm | IP Logged
I am glad the Spor Govt is waking up to cut down high govt salaries
 
 
May 23, 2011
 
Revised ministerial salary effective from May 21
This was decided by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong (above), in a statement released by the Prime Minister's Office on Sunday. -- ST PHOTO: STEPHANIE YEOW

NEW salaries for political appointment holders will take effect from May 21 - the date the new government took office. This was decided by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, in a statement released by the Prime Minister's Office on Sunday.

In addition, the President has informed Mr Lee that he will also adopt the new salary on May 21, although the salary for the President will in-principle commence from the President's new term.

The statement came a day after Mr Lee announced that a committee to review the salaries of political appointment holders was to be established.

The Committee's terms of reference: to review the basis and level of salaries for the President, Prime Minister, political appointment holders and Members of Parliament to help ensure an honest and competent government.

The statement added that the Committee 'should take into account salaries of comparable jobs in the private sector and also other reference points such as the general wage levels in Singapore'.

The Committee should also take into account the following guidelines:

- while the salary of the President should reflect the President's high status as the head of state and his critical custodial role as holder of the second key, it should also bear in mind the fact that unlike the Prime Minister, he does not have direct executive responsibilities except as they relate to his custodial role.

- the salary of ministers should have a significant discount to comparable private sector salaries to signify the value and ethos of political service.

The Committee is chaired by Mr Gerard Ee, the chairman of the Changi General Hospital and the National Kidney Foundation

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