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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 12:33pm | IP Logged
might be the judge  is biasDead

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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 2:09pm | IP Logged
I m a D sir fan but to be very honest i genuinely liked siddhesh's performance more, so IMO it was a fair decision.
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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 3:23pm | IP Logged
This is the explanations said by the judges on limelight on why Siddhesh won over Dharmesh:

Shamak: "We have seen Dharmesh do this type of steps, and he is a very strong dancer. One of my favorite dancers. But i think Siddhesh's strength of performace AND acting took the extra point."

Rajeev: "Siddhesh plays a lot with his face. He knows exactly what the lyrics are saying, where the beats are going. He has knowledge on all those things. 

Remo: "A lot of people must think that Dharmesh danced really well so why didnt he win. Because it was bollywood, a bollywood touch was needed which Siddhesh did really well".


Hope this helps! Btw this is what the judges said, not my opinion Smile imo both were great!


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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 3:30pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by desigirl123

This is the explanations said by the judges on limelight on why Siddhesh won over Dharmesh:

Shamak: "We have seen Dharmesh do this type of steps, and he is a very strong dancer. One of my favorite dancers. But i think Siddhesh's strength of performace AND acting took the extra point."

Rajeev: "Siddhesh plays a lot with his face. He knows exactly what the lyrics are saying, where the beats are going. He has knowledge on all those things. 

Remo: "A lot of people must think that Dharmesh danced really well so why didnt he win. Because it was bollywood, a bollywood touch was needed which Siddhesh did really well".


Hope this helps! Btw this is what the judges said, not my opinion Smile imo both were great!

I agree with the bollywood part, but WATCH Siddhesh's performance again..ALL of the judges are ONLY talking about expressions..WHERE was the dance?! Where was it? LOL even if it's bollywood, it has a lot of dancing in it..besides,it wasn't a takkar of only expressions just cuz it's bollywood..if it was , very rightly siddhesh gets it.

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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 4:38pm | IP Logged
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I agree with the bollywood part, but WATCH Siddhesh's performance again..ALL of the judges are ONLY talking about expressions..WHERE was the dance?! Where was it? LOL even if it's bollywood, it has a lot of dancing in it..besides,it wasn't a takkar of only expressions just cuz it's bollywood..if it was , very rightly siddhesh gets it.


If the judges' explanation didn't help clear your query then honestly none of the answers given by anyone else will convince you siddhesh was better on that particular day. IMO, D Sir's style of dance is more hip hop based than bollywood based. I have trained in many Indian and Foreign styles of dances and I speak from experience. Bollywood dancing can have no steps and all expressions and still count as dancing.
In fact, in many indian classical dance styles, there are continuous 10 minute portions dedicated to the dancer sitting in one position just performing with hand movements and facial expressions. It is still dancing even if there are no steps involved. That was NOT the case here... Siddhesh actually had expressions AND dance steps..

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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 4:47pm | IP Logged
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I agree with the bollywood part, but WATCH Siddhesh's performance again..ALL of the judges are ONLY talking about expressions..WHERE was the dance?! Where was it? LOL even if it's bollywood, it has a lot of dancing in it..besides,it wasn't a takkar of only expressions just cuz it's bollywood..if it was , very rightly siddhesh gets it.


If the judges' explanation didn't help clear your query then honestly none of the answers given by anyone else will convince you siddhesh was better on that particular day. IMO, D Sir's style of dance is more hip hop based than bollywood based. I have trained in many Indian and Foreign styles of dances and I speak from experience. Bollywood dancing can have no steps and all expressions and still count as dancing.
In fact, in many indian classical dance styles, there are continuous 10 minute portions dedicated to the dancer sitting in one position just performing with hand movements and facial expressions. It is still dancing even if there are no steps involved. That was NOT the case here... Siddhesh actually had expressions AND dance steps..


Why did the judges tell Paulson that he needed more dancing then? He was doing Tollywood today and he had SO MUCH dance..everyone is so hypocritical.. they say that they have to emphasize the dance aspect because it is a dance show and then they just go against it..and later ,they come back to it..It's so confusing. They should stick to ONE thing then or both..not more of 1 and less of the other.. it would make sense to have more of dance and less of expressions rather than more of expressions and less of dance..cuz that's not what people watch the show for right ? LOL, but I do agree that expressions define bollywood..it's just that this show is a class apart and great performers should show that..Siddhesh is too good..We wanted to see that especially since it was a TAKKAR..if it was a normal solo, it would be completely fine.

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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 4:53pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by pigbelly4myfeet


Basically, Siddesh has a style, class and purpose to the way he dances...especially this style of dance which comes so naturally to him. He's a natural entertainer that way. 


Totally agree.  I'm not a fan of this guy but when it comes to his dancing, can't fault him...those three are the best words to describe his dancing style without a doubt.

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I honestly don't think that it was the wrong theme for Dharmesh though. I actually think that THIS in fact was the right theme for Dharmesh. Dharmesh's dance style is just too unique that way to really "fit" into a particular style of dance. It's too freestyle. WIth Prince, Dharmesh looks like an 'uncle-ji' to me honestly. LOL Prince is just too awesome in his own style for Dharmesh to match up in my honest opinion. Because Dharmesh's style isn't exactly locking and popping either. It's just freestyle hip-hop with that Bollywood/tapori entertainment aspect mixed in. LOL So I think that's more in tune with Siddesh's style. Plus Dharmesh and Siddesh just have such an awesome chemistry together that they really had to do a takkar together. LOL

Though yeah, Parvez would've been a good choice to takkar with Siddesh too. But then, he might not have had that chemistry with Siddesh that Dharmesh had. Since Dharmesh and Siddesh have performed together in the past too...and they just know each other better in general too. 
 


@bold: Excellent point. Dharmesh's style can't be defined as just hip-hop...it appears to be more freestyle because he puts in a lot bollywood tadkas/tricks into it to give it an edge...so by that respect, it is deffo understandable why they put him in the bollywood round...he CAN do bollywood nautanki quite well too as we've seen in many of his performances.

But Siddesh's bollywood style trumped it all cuz this guy's expressions firstly are far superior and COMBINED with that he DANCED superbly as well...didn't miss any beat...sharp, clear movements and so PERFECTLY timed with each expression change, each nautanki bit...THAT is what made for such an enjoyable performance...

I agree with the point someone made about Dharmesh's choreography not being as good as the one for Siddesh too cuz I saw that in some bits it was like Dharmesh was just doing timepass steps like that one DID-2 ka standard step they always do to sliding a hand down one arm and shaking out a "v" or something...he could have added better steps to his choreography. Dharmesh dances very well, of that there is no doubt in anyone's mind...but in this case, the sheer ADAA that Siddesh brought to his performance could not be matched by Dharmesh. And that adaa includes BOTH dancing as well as expressions.

Regarding the point about Parvez...yes he could have been brought in for this round too cuz his expressions are better than Dharmesh...but even then I think Siddesh would have beat him too...Siddesh's dancing is more nuanced and he can outdo almost anyone in nautanki as we well knowLOL...Parvez has fab expressions but Siddesh level ke expressions nahin hain I think...somewhere Siddesh's years of experience as dancer also give him the edge...I think Remo said it best...this guy knows just when to give the subtlest of expressions or the loud ones based on the beat...he's very good at that and that is what stands out so much when you watch him dance especially when he's in his element in a full on nautanki Bollywood actLOL


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