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OBL killing-Will US abandon Pakistan?

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Posted: 06 May 2011 at 4:19pm | IP Logged

Saudi Arabia and Turkey separately played significant roles in persuading Pakistan to give up Osama bin Laden and facilitate his elimination by the US,

In limited, highly classified briefings for key Congressional leaders, the Obama administration has shared some of its assessments that the Saudis advised Pakistan that it was necessary to take the al Qaida bull by its horns as part of a bigger strategy to manage "the Arab Spring" which is threatening established governments from Oman to Morocco.

What the Saudis are seeking is to translate a broad convergence of their own survival instincts with US interests in an Arab world which is in ferment. That convergence cannot be achieved without a greater role for Pakistan in putting down the uprisings in countries like Bahrain and helping preserve the status quo in the Arab world, making way, perhaps, for nothing more than cosmetic changes.

It is well known that Pakistanis serving in Bahrain's police brutally put down the recent Egypt-style Shia protests in the island kingdom. The forces sent in by Saudi Arabia to reinforce Bahrain's security forces were also reportedly made up of significant numbers of Pakistanis.

As the Arab world gets into deeper ferment, Riyadh is counting on Pakistan ' both Islamabad's regular forces and Pakistanis already employed by security forces in every Gulf country ' to provide the last stand for Arab rulers in case the democracy movement in West Asia gets "out of hand" as the Saudis see it.

It is a role that Pakistan has historically engaged in. During "Black September" in 1970, when Palestinians nearly brought down King Hussein's monarchy in Jordan, it was a unit of the Pakistani army led by none other than the late Gen. Zia-ul Haq that brutally put down the revolt and preserved Hashemite

Similarly, elite units of Pakistan's army protected the Saudi royal family for decades because the Saudi rulers did not fully trust their own citizens or even those from other Arab countries.

By all accounts, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's chief of army staff, would not be averse to reinventing Pakistan's role in global security affairs on these lines

After all, that is how Pakistan has all along remained relevant to the world: in July 1971, Islamabad was the secret gateway for the then US national security adviser Henry Kissinger's visit to China to open Sino-American relations. Pakistan's involvement in Cento and Seato, the US-sponsored defence arrangements, predates such efforts to remain relevant.

But such a restructuring of the existing order in West and South Asia would not be possible without the acquiescence of Washington. Which was why the Saudis decided to lean on Pakistan to give up Osama.

What is more interesting than Kayani's bravado in issuing such a warning is the instant response to it from Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff. In a statement issued on behalf of Mullen, his spokesman said: "The small number of US military trainers in Pakistan are there at the invitation of the Pakistani government, and therefore, subject to that government's prerogatives."

More of such symphony in the US-Pakistan orchestra is to be expected in the coming days with the two sides disagreeing in public, even to the point of behaving like adversaries, for popular consumption but working together behind the scenes to advance their common interests in South and Central Asia and the Arab world.

In nutshell Pakistan will continue to enjoy a high priority support from US (including 1 billion dollars every year + military hardware).

OBL was an enemy of US and then Israel, when he was  brought into Pakistan in 2005 the probable idea was to use him tospread jehad influence over J&K so that war started in 1990 (let India bleed through thousand cuts by ISI) could continue. But as fate had it, OBL used influence and clout (inside Pakistan) to wage war against US in Afghanistan , this is being seen as one of the reasons he got abaondoned by Pakistan's army.

 

(Excerpts from defence analysis paper in Telegraph and Jihad in paradise-Mike Millar)

Edited by Indradhanush - 06 May 2011 at 4:21pm

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Posted: 06 May 2011 at 6:06pm | IP Logged
US will not abandon Pakistan yet eventhough there are questions on how far Pakistan can be trusted. Still it would be a great risk if Pakistan is overrun and ruled by terrorist groups.
Currently questions are also being raised back in USA whether they should continue spending monies in countries like Pakistan. Obama does not want to send US troops overseas and is withdrawing the US troops from Afghanistan. But US can provide other assistance and let UN play a more active role.


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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 3:10am | IP Logged
Well since 2002 US has paid $18 billion to Pakistan, this (massive investment) can't be without a cause.

Defence analyst Rudradev has written

A deliberate power vacuum was engineered in Afghanistan following the Soviet withdrawal, one that only Pakistan was capable of filling via its proxies. Washington, at that time, favoured the creation of an Af-Pak under Islamabad's PA/ISI rule. It fit in with Washington's game plan perfectly.

The game plan was ultimately, to create an Af-Pak dagger aimed at Western China and the former Soviet states of Central Asia. A dagger that could potentially play the same role against China as it had against the Soviets when needed...even as China was engaged economically by the US. Additionally, such an Af-Pak power under Islamabad could stabilize the Eastern flank of West Asia, threaten a recalcitrant Iran, and give the US "pro-Islamic" credibility with the Arab street.

Essentially the very "Great Game" ideas behind tacit support to Pakistan since 1948 were seen to be "borne out" by the eventual usefulness of Pakistan in defeating the Soviet Union. Extending those same ideas, Pakistan (with Afghanistan as its vassal/strategic depth) was now going to be the launch-pad for expanding Western influence into the Asian heartland and containing America's potential competitors in that theatre.

This whole aspect of US foreign policy in the early 1990s was played out much more quietly than the rebuilding of former Soviet satellites in Europe, and the eastward expansion of NATO. Much more money (and publicity) were allocated to Marshall





Edited by Indradhanush - 07 May 2011 at 3:11am
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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 5:27am | IP Logged
oh thank god. I read it as OBJ killing.

OMG, AWESOME name change idea.


Edited by old-black-joe - 07 May 2011 at 5:27am

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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 8:09am | IP Logged
Originally posted by osama-bin-joe

oh thank god. I read it as OBJ killing.

OMG, AWESOME name change idea.

Oh I see Mr Osama Joe.LOL
Like your new name but careful they could target you.
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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 9:51pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by osama-bin-joe

oh thank god. I read it as OBJ killing.

OMG, AWESOME name change idea.


although its none of my business...but asking u just out of curiosity...why would you want a name that is even remotely associated with this wretched and evil terrorist...
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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 11:11pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by blue-ice

Originally posted by osama-bin-joe

oh thank god. I read it as OBJ killing.

OMG, AWESOME name change idea.


although its none of my business...but asking u just out of curiosity...why would you want a name that is even remotely associated with this wretched and evil terrorist...


LOL I don't care what people think. Anyway I'm not even a fan of a fellow like osama, I just liked the sound of it. :P
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Originally posted by osama-bin-joe

oh thank god. I read it as OBJ killing.

OMG, AWESOME name change idea.
 
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