Syed Firdaus Ashraf
"In this world, if you want to achieve something, then you have to pay a price for it!"
It could be a straight lift from the Indian scriptures - but isn't.
Rather, that piece of wisdom comes from the mouth of Arun Govil, the man who, after a more or less indifferent film career, shot to national icon-dom in the role of Ram, prince of Ayodhya and protagonist of the Hindu epic Ramayan, which was parlayed by Ramanand Sagar into one of the most watched serials in Indian television history.
That first success in playing a godly role has, since, caused Govil to shift almost entirely to playing various godly characters, on both the big and small screens. And today, under the direction of C S Rao, Govil is busy portraying Gautama Buddha, for an upcoming teleserial on the subject.
Excerpts, from an exclusive interview with Rediff On The NeT:
Could you quickly take us through your early career, tell us how you entered films?
I graduated in science from Meerut in Uttar Pradesh, then came to Bombay to join my brother's business. But that bored me and, since I had been active in theatre while I was in college, I decided to try my hand at acting. I got my first break, way back in 1977, when Rajshree Pictures signed me on for a film called Paheli.
It was a small role, but my performance was liked and that exposure led to three lead roles, in Sawan Ko Aane Do, Sanjh Ko Aanch Nahin andRadha aur Sita. The first of these three films, incidentally, became a big hit.
And how did the shift to the small screen come about?
I was doing a film called Badal for Ramanand Sagar's banner, under Anand Sagar's direction, and around this time they offered me the role of King Vikram for the teleserial Vikram aur Vetaal.
Around this time the Sagars were planning to serialise Ramayan (right), so I approached Mr Ramanand Sagar and said I was interested in playing the lead role.
After an initial audition, they offered me the roles of either Bharat or Lakshman, but I refused. Somehow, I was set on playing Ram, or nothing. I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but in the end they offered me the lead role, and that was that. And this is also one reason why I believe in predestiny, in fate.
And how was it like, playing perhaps the most popular deity in the Hindu pantheon?
I would say it was perhaps the most difficult role I have ever done. The main problem is that you can't take too many liberties with the character. For instance, the Ram of the epic is a soft-spoken person, not given to temper tantrums, the sort of person whose movements would be controlled, never fast or jerky. So I had, at all times, to portray the character in keeping with that serenity -- and that is very difficult to do.
I guess the question of whether or not I succeeded is best answered by an episode in Varanasi. For a shoot, I was dressed in Ram's attire, and sitting in a boat on the river bank. People began thronging to the venue by the hundreds - and the next morning, it was reported in the papers that over one million people had gathered at the site to see me. That, I guess, is the ultimate honour an actor can get in this country.
And now you are doing Buddha (left) - another serene character. How did you get this role?
Oh, I was offered this role long ago, when I was just starting my career. At the time, the producers, who were from South India, insisted I shave my head. I refused, as I was doing well in my film career and couldn't afford to take the risk.
Recently, Padmalaya Studios, which is based in Hyderabad, signed me on for Lakshman's role for the film Luv Kush.And then offered me the role of Ram, again, for a serial titled Jai Veer Hanuman. It was after this that they thought of making a serial on the Buddha. They offered me the role, and I accepted.
You have worked in one mythological with the Sagars, now you are working in another with C S Rao, the doyen of the genre in India. How would you compare the two?
Ramanand Sagar is a good writer, and is always ready to explain the minutest of details to the actors. As for Rao, Hindi is not his language - he does speak it, and understands it, but cannot go into finer details. So it is more difficult to understand what he wants from you, grasp the nuances of your thinking.
And how would you compare the two characters, Ram and the Buddha?
Well, both had an identical goal - to establish Dharma, righteousness. The difference, of course, was that Ram fought a war to attain this goal, while Buddha used the path of non-violence.
Again, the Buddha did not come to this world with an immediate knowledge of what his ultimate goal was - in his early years, he enjoyed the life of a prince, indulging in all the worldly temptations. Ram, however, knew from day one what his goal in life is.
You have been portraying godly characters for a few years now, are you in danger of being branded a screen 'god'?
In a sense yes - because after Ramayan, few people were willing to touch me for feature films as they said my image was too big. Their argument was, people would see me as Ram, my posters were being worshipped, so how could I be shown chasing some girl around trees in a typical Hindi film?
After Ramayan ended in 1988, I went through this long hibernation, when I wasn't getting any roles. In the end, I had to go into business for myself, producing a teleserial - Mashaal - for Doordarshan, then directing a Marathi serial for my wife. Then, in a Zee TV serial calledKarawas,(right) I played a criminal, and my performance was accepted by the public.
I guess this is what broke that branding, and now I have another serial coming on DD, Aparajitha, in which I play a big writer who preaches women's emancipation, but doesn't practise it in real life. I guess I can now play other roles without fear of being rejected by the audience, so I would say I am not 'branded' any longer.
But then, playing Ram did, by your own admission, set your film career back for a while. Do you think, in retrospect, that accepting the role was suicidal for your mainstream career?
I believe in this one basic tenet - whatever you get in life, you pay a price for it. Nothing is free in this world. Yeah, maybe the role of Ram meant that for a while, I didn't get feature films - but then again, I got a lot of publicity, my face became recognised throughout the world. So that's a plus right there. No, to answer your question, I don't think accepting that role was a mistake.
In course of our chat you have mentioned many mythological serials - the Ramayan, Luv Kush, Jai Veer Hanumna, Buddha(left). Besides, there have been others, like the Mahabharat. In your opinion, is there an overdose of mythological teleserials?
Yes, well, since Ramayan and Mahabharat succeeded way beyond everybody's expectations, people have begun to look at mythologicals as a potential goldmine.
They should realise that this is not quite true - a mythological is actually very difficult to make. Sure, we Indians are very attached to our roots, we grow up with these stories and would like to see them on the screen. But then again, we are also very particular about how these serials are made, how the characters are portrayed. So trying to cash in on this goldmine, through trashy mythologicals, will only result in turning the viewer off in the long run.
You have played Ram and are now playing Gautama Buddha (left), two of the strongest religious figures in Indian history. How has this changed your personal character?
For one thing, I was a chain smoker when I was doing the Ramayan. I got a lot of inner peace while doing the serial, and three years ago I finally gave up smoking for good. Again, after playing the role of Ram, I have sobered down as a person. I don't get agitated so easily, my temper is under control. Yes, I guess there have been changes in me as a person - positive changes, I think.
To come to the present - what projects are you working on now?
I'm doing very few films - because at this stage in my career, I would rather do only those roles that I really want to do. Right now, I am doing lots of serials - Jai Veer Hanumanfor Sony TV. Aparajitha and Vansh for Doordarshan,Safar Apna Apna for NEPC TV. Besides these, I've acted for Aadi Guru Shankaracharya, the story of the great Advaita philosopher, which is scheduled to be aired on the national channel from October 16. In this serial, I play the king in whose territory Shankaracharya is born. And then, of course, there is the Buddha.
In other words, you have switched almost entirely to the small screen. In your view, is that a more viewer-friendly medium than the large screen?
Both big and small screens are viewer friendly, both command a wide audience. I guess in television, the reach and impact is instant, whereas in films the impact is more lasting. In the sense that in television, as a rule, last week's episode is forgotten by the time this week's episode comes around - the exception, of course, being serials like the Ramayan. I would say both films and television have their own audience, their own reason for being.
The rise of the BJP, the emergence of the Ram Janambhoomi movement - all these took place in the immediate aftermath of theRamayan being nationally telecast. Do you see a cause and effect relationship here?
No, I would not call it cause and effect. Sure, the serial recalled to the public memory the story of Lord Ram - and I suspect that at some level, the politicians took advantage of it. Having said that, I will add that if the serial has reminded people of Hinduism - in a positive fashion, that is - then that is a good thing.
The tragedy is only if the re-awakening of Hinduism leads to destruction - that is bad, and cannot be condoned.
You appeared to politicise your screen role when you campaigned for Sunil Shastri in the Allahabad Lok Sabha by-election in 1988, wearing your 'Ram' get-up. Were you not taking advantage of your popularity for political ends?
The whole story is false. Absolutely untrue. It is a pity that even the mainstream press blatantly publicised such lies, wrote that I campaigned in the costume of Lord Ram. Look, was there one photograph of me in that costume, campaigning? No. And why not? Because it didn't happen - simple. Throughout that campaign, I wore my usual white kurta and pajamas, and that is the truth.
Arun Govil who became famous as Ram on TV 20 years ago, has now given his voice to a screen Ram in the animation film Luv-Kush.
Q You achieved major fame playing Ram and now you have given the voiceover for Ram in an animation film Luv-Kush. Do you think life has come a full circle?
No. Performing as Ram was more enthralling as you have to act and it is way different from giving a voiceover. And I have been associated with Ramayan in the interim too; there was one more animation film which I had dubbed for, and now I have got an opportunity to be associated with Ramayan once again.
Q How differently did you perform as Ram for the animation film?
It all depends on the content. When you are doing live scenes, you say the lines as you want them to. In animation, you already have the content in front of you. It was not as if I had already dubbed my lines and the animation was done around that. The commas and full stops differ but you have to match the lip sync.
Q Considering Ramayan has played such an important part in your life, do you watch the serial?
If I get a glimpse of it while surfing channels, then I do see it. Till date it is very captivating.
Q Are you still in touch with the Sagars, who made Ramayan?
No; we haven't been in touch. No opportunity has come our way wherein we could work together.
Q What else keeps you busy these days?
I have a production unit with Sunil Lahiri (who played Lakshman in the serial) and we keep making TV serials. I'm also associated with our Guruji and am involved with a lot of social work.