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L.A.M.B

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Posted: 22 July 2008 at 1:35pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by aneek paul

Originally posted by L.A.M.B

Originally posted by missamazing_01

Originally posted by aneek paul

Originally posted by L.A.M.B

I Agree.
Some Pppl don't want to praise classically trained singers coz their favs aren't trained.......
And i think every1 should be able to respect Classically trained singers/....Coz these pl spend most of their life training and hwen tthey participate in a show they lose not coz they sing bad but coz of reasons............
i think it will be hard to find people who dont praise trained singer but its so easy find people who doenst respect untrained but talented singer.
sometymes we dnt need particluar some1 to praise that particular trainer singer becuase that trained singer has so many praises that that 1 person's comments wont make a difference
 Agreed.........
But Ppl Need to respect trained singer's ...........
Everyone respect trained singer but people need to respect untrained talented singer too.
If Classicalyy trinaed singers were respected then singer's like Sumitra,Toshi,Raja,Amanat,Niharika,himani,Rahul,Harshit(if you say he's trained,but i don't hthink he is),Irfaan,Poonam,Rahul,Prajakata,Vinit,and list goes on wouldn't have lost to ppl like Debo,Ishmit,Aneek,Abhijjeet.................
In every reality show classically trained singers lose.......
Why............??????/coz ppl give sympathy votes to untrained singers or draamebaaz singers..............
And If a classically trained ssinger were respected then Toshi And Sumitra wouldn't have been bashed over here..........................
First lrn to respect other ppl's fav then expect your fav to get respected.!!!!!!
I never came here to bash Vinit Harshit ( i don't think i have b ashed any one)..
I know everyone has  fav but there's a better way to get your opinion through!

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L.A.M.B

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Posted: 22 July 2008 at 1:38pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by aneek paul

Originally posted by L.A.M.B

Originally posted by aneek paul

Udit, shaan,kumar sanu, KK doesnt deserve to rule playback singing coz they dont have classical training. They should be kicked out from the industry. Thats what should be done if only classically trained singer deserved more than untrained singer. Embarrassed
Plz Do A Research..
Well if you get time from bashing toshi which i don't think you would.........
So i have done the research for you....... 
Kumar Sanu=Kumar Sanu's father Pashupati Bhattacharjee was an accomplished classical vocalist and composer. He trained Sanu as a singer and tabla player....
Udit NArayan Not Trained....... Just Read this..=Udit Narayan began his career by singing Maithili, Bhojpuri, Bengali, English,Nepal Bhasa,and Nepalesefolk songs for Radio Nepal in the early 1970s. In 1978, he moved to Mumbai on a music scholarship. In Bombay, he got trained in Indian classical music for six years at the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan. He lives in Bombay right now........
Shaan = He is the son of the late music director Manas Mukherjee........And His Mum Is A Singer Too....
The man has music in his family veins and you say he's  not classically trained
 
And now even if KK is not trained atleast he has an orginal voice and a soothing voice atleast his voice doen't hurt my ears and while listening to him i don't feel like i am listening Kishore Kumar..Or Kumar SaNU i mean if i won't to hear to them i would by their cd's why would i listen to some besura ......
GOOd research from wikepeadea but u also researsh about other singers when u bash them. I think u dont have time to do so as u r spendig more time praising toshi and classical training. For ur information Abhijeet had  training from his uncle Pandit bhavdev jaipurwale and harshit got trained from Ustaad Gulshan bharati.
Plz first check the post i have quoted..
I have written bout pppl you said weren't trained but looks like they are .
And how did Harshit nAnd Abhi come into the post.............
And Hashit is not trained not during Voi..................

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Posted: 22 July 2008 at 2:03pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by L.A.M.B

Originally posted by aneek paul

Originally posted by L.A.M.B

Originally posted by missamazing_01

Originally posted by aneek paul

Originally posted by L.A.M.B

I Agree.
Some Pppl don't want to praise classically trained singers coz their favs aren't trained.......
And i think every1 should be able to respect Classically trained singers/....Coz these pl spend most of their life training and hwen tthey participate in a show they lose not coz they sing bad but coz of reasons............
i think it will be hard to find people who dont praise trained singer but its so easy find people who doenst respect untrained but talented singer.
sometymes we dnt need particluar some1 to praise that particular trainer singer becuase that trained singer has so many praises that that 1 person's comments wont make a difference
 Agreed.........
But Ppl Need to respect trained singer's ...........
Everyone respect trained singer but people need to respect untrained talented singer too.
If Classicalyy trinaed singers were respected then singer's like Sumitra,Toshi,Raja,Amanat,Niharika,himani,Rahul,Harshit(if you say he's trained,but i don't hthink he is),Irfaan,Poonam,Rahul,Prajakata,Vinit,and list goes on wouldn't have lost to ppl like Debo,Ishmit,Aneek,Abhijjeet.................
In every reality show classically trained singers lose.......
Why............??????/coz ppl give sympathy votes to untrained singers or draamebaaz singers..............
And If a classically trained ssinger were respected then Toshi And Sumitra wouldn't have been bashed over here..........................
First lrn to respect other ppl's fav then expect your fav to get respected.!!!!!!
I never came here to bash Vinit Harshit ( i don't think i have b ashed any one)..
I know everyone has  fav but there's a better way to get your opinion through!
Just because they lost that doest mean they are not respected. Several factors affect winning and losing. For example i like raja not for his classical trained voice but for his performance and for his well incorporation of training into good performance. People dont give sympathy to untrained singer , however i do believe that they have sympathy for rona dhona stuff. SOmething harshit and toshi did in VOI. Abhijeet was never dramabaaz but he still won the Indian Idol.Ishmeet i know is not good as other but he was never dramabaaz. His win doesnt related to his untrained voice but regionalism. Regionalism has nothing to do with trained or untrained singer. It might go for both way. TOshi and sumitra no matter what they have learned but they always failed to perform in JJWS. No one get respect for training only, u need to perform too.

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Posted: 22 July 2008 at 2:43pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by aneek paul

Originally posted by L.A.M.B

Originally posted by aneek paul

Originally posted by L.A.M.B

Originally posted by missamazing_01

Originally posted by aneek paul

Originally posted by L.A.M.B

I Agree.
Some Pppl don't want to praise classically trained singers coz their favs aren't trained.......
And i think every1 should be able to respect Classically trained singers/....Coz these pl spend most of their life training and hwen tthey participate in a show they lose not coz they sing bad but coz of reasons............
i think it will be hard to find people who dont praise trained singer but its so easy find people who doenst respect untrained but talented singer.
sometymes we dnt need particluar some1 to praise that particular trainer singer becuase that trained singer has so many praises that that 1 person's comments wont make a difference
 Agreed.........
But Ppl Need to respect trained singer's ...........
Everyone respect trained singer but people need to respect untrained talented singer too.
If Classicalyy trinaed singers were respected then singer's like Sumitra,Toshi,Raja,Amanat,Niharika,himani,Rahul,Harshit(if you say he's trained,but i don't hthink he is),Irfaan,Poonam,Rahul,Prajakata,Vinit,and list goes on wouldn't have lost to ppl like Debo,Ishmit,Aneek,Abhijjeet.................
In every reality show classically trained singers lose.......
Why............??????/coz ppl give sympathy votes to untrained singers or draamebaaz singers..............
And If a classically trained ssinger were respected then Toshi And Sumitra wouldn't have been bashed over here..........................
First lrn to respect other ppl's fav then expect your fav to get respected.!!!!!!
I never came here to bash Vinit Harshit ( i don't think i have b ashed any one)..
I know everyone has  fav but there's a better way to get your opinion through!
Just because they lost that doest mean they are not respected. Several factors affect winning and losing. For example i like raja not for his classical trained voice but for his performance and for his well incorporation of training into good performance. People dont give sympathy to untrained singer , however i do believe that they have sympathy for rona dhona stuff. SOmething harshit and toshi did in VOI. Abhijeet was never dramabaaz but he still won the Indian Idol.Ishmeet i know is not good as other but he was never dramabaaz. His win doesnt related to his untrained voice but regionalism. Regionalism has nothing to do with trained or untrained singer. It might go for both way. TOshi and sumitra no matter what they have learned but they always failed to perform in JJWS. No one get respect for training only, u need to perform too.
 
get ur facts right: Toshi didnt do any dramabaaz or sympthy appeal in VOI....him n harshit deserved to be in finale bt as usual most deservin contestants never win or gt into final....im sorry bt Raja omg he cnt sing he sounds CONSTIPATED for cryin out - Toshi has gt everyfink a superstar should have:
 
GREAT VOICE
GREAT LOOKS
GREAT PERFORMER
soo even if trained singers dnt win it doesnt mean they rnt gud...n if u notice most winners dnt get anywhere soo gud that toshi didnt winn...n yeh most legands...eg: lataji, ashaji, NFK, RFT, Kishor Kumar are TRAINED SINGERS...n being classical trained is benfecial for the FUTURE.....
 
I REST MY CASE Wink

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Posted: 22 July 2008 at 3:00pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by aneek paul

Originally posted by L.A.M.B

Originally posted by aneek paul

[QUOTE=L.A.M.B][QUOTE=missamazing_01][QUOTE=aneek paul][QUOTE=L.A.M.B]I Agree.
Just because they lost that doest mean they are not respected. Several factors affect winning and losing. For example i like raja not for his classical trained voice but for his performance and for his well incorporation of training into good performance. People dont give sympathy to untrained singer , however i do believe that they have sympathy for rona dhona stuff. SOmething harshit and toshi did in VOI. Abhijeet was never dramabaaz but he still won the Indian Idol.Ishmeet i know is not good as other but he was never dramabaaz. His win doesnt related to his untrained voice but regionalism. Regionalism has nothing to do with trained or untrained singer. It might go for both way. TOshi and sumitra no matter what they have learned but they always failed to perform in JJWS. No one get respect for training only, u need to perform too.
Toshi never done any dramabaazi in Voi.
Agree Harshit did drammebaaz and thts why he was in the final's ppl voted for him coz he had a blind grandmother and coz he was poor and whatever.......I mean his grandmother was blind not him..
Well i don't care bout him at all glad he lost JJWS...........
Ishmeet did do dramebaazi his whole sickness part was dramebazi.....and remember when Abhijeet shouted at him it was all part of his draamebaazi and abhijeet admitted that it was all a drama to get votes for Ishmeet.........And he always had a very sad face and that's when sypmatthy votes started to come in.......
The factors of choosing a winner should be Singing,Perfomence not some draamebazi........
I agree Raja is a reat talent but he didn't win coz ppl gave sympathy votes to Aneek.............
Abhijjet did dramebazi like "mein bouhut gareeb hoon mujhe vote do"they should his Av and then sympathy votes started to comein...........
Ppl consider these factors while voting.
1.roona dhoona
2.poverty
3.cuteness
4.age
5.looks .
And i personally think audience vote should not be considered 50% they should have the kind of format they had in Fame Gurukul or Rockstar(Star World Show).
And ppl have a tenderness to vot for the worst giving them sympathy votes and sacking the taslented singers......................
In Voi it was like a everyday routine that the top scorers were bottom 3 and the worst were top3....
JJWS is a great change finally a deserving contestant won......

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Posted: 22 July 2008 at 3:02pm | IP Logged

I agre with Miss Amazing_01

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Posted: 22 July 2008 at 9:18pm | IP Logged
Well I think, some people have missed the entire point of JJWS. It was a hunt for India's first ever superstar. And according to my knowledge, a superstar is someone who's able to bring his audience to their feet while he sings and PERFORMS. I think others would agree. If someone is so hooked onto respecting classically trained singers, then maybe start a show called Jo Trained Wohi Superstar? A personal attack on Abhijeet is not appreciated. He's performed extremely well on every single episode without fail. Maybe someone here thinks he/she understands music more than Vishal/Shekhar? Toshi and Sumitra were just terrible throughout the show. The only song Toshi sang well was O Re Piya which brought him to the Champions stand. Trained or Untrained, the better performer stays. And the bottom line is, Toshi or Sumitra were jus bad singers and performers.

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Posted: 22 July 2008 at 10:21pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Luving Nature

Well I think, some people have missed the entire point of JJWS. It was a hunt for India's first ever superstar. And according to my knowledge, a superstar is someone who's able to bring his audience to their feet while he sings and PERFORMS. I think others would agree. If someone is so hooked onto respecting classically trained singers, then maybe start a show called Jo Trained Wohi Superstar? A personal attack on Abhijeet is not appreciated. He's performed extremely well on every single episode without fail. Maybe someone here thinks he/she understands music more than Vishal/Shekhar? Toshi and Sumitra were just terrible throughout the show. The only song Toshi sang well was O Re Piya which brought him to the Champions stand. Trained or Untrained, the better performer stays. And the bottom line is, Toshi or Sumitra were jus bad singers and performers.
Bang of the target. But i dont beleive that your logic will change someone else blind beleif regarding  classical training.

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