sex education in schools? (Page 5)

not quite sure what she meant which is why i had asked. as for 12 year old kids knowing about condoms, not always the case imo. but even if it were, not in any graphic detail. once they introduce the topic in school, u've created an environment where they do try to find out more.

Anyways sex education is not just about safe sex. It is about being aware of biological changes, understanding the function of the body and what puberty and adolescence is. It is a structured process appropriate for the age level.

structure that is decided by a bunch of liberals? they cant even get other curriculums right (eg. math and sciences) and we're entrusting other aspects to the council?

A good structured Sex education also delves into social ethics, moral issues, emotional issues related to sexuality.

sure, and a good science education wld delve into rocket making, unravelling dnas, building cyclotrons etc. But it aint for everyone, is it? Every kid is different.

Young children need to know what is appropriate and inappropriate touch and taught to inform authorities when someone may touch them inappropriately. I really believe that parents should discuss these matters with children from a very young age to protect them from abuse. However, in countries where parents are shy of talking to kids about these matters or in situations where parents are the culprits sex education helps keep children informed.

even in these rare and extreme circumstances, is it realistic for kids to object or report to authorities just because they got that education in school?

Nevertheless, many abused children may not report abuse even if they are aware. But teaching them the facts, their rights and how to get help could potentially save one who has the courage and even one child is worth it.

school systems arent and shldnt be about "saving" one kid. they shld be about serving the interests of a broad cross-section of kids. otherwise, we'll be holding up the class every time a dumb kid cldnt follow along. 

......of SE to young kids (10 and up) .

I think you guys are panicking unnecessarily.  It's not even called SE till they reach high school.  they start in 7 th grade as part of Health Science class.  You need to look at the curriculum before blocking this subject just because it has the "s" word in the name.  Please read my post on page ____  I explained there the approach schools take.     I am not against biology lessons but SE goes into details and joys of sex per say eg. how to use condoms the right way by using it on a prop, talking about contraception , (btw USA has highest teen prenancy rate even with planned parenthood assistance, go figure) etc. 

 I am not too sure if it will be taken in the right context by the kids or it could help the likes of Britney spears 16 year old sister who got preganant. 

SE helps with a lot of issues and it certainly helps teens in avoiding pregnancies and STDs if they choose not to abstain.  Britanny's 16 yr old sister did not get pregnant because she took SE out of context. She was hardly ignorant of perils of having unprotected sex either. USA has highest teen prenancy rate even with planned parenthood assistance. I believe I read somewhere , some schools do distribute condoms/contraceptive pills to young ones as young as 13.

Even in regular curriculum, some kids fail in math or english or science.  phir kya karey yaar?  sab ko padhana chhod dey kyoonki some handful of duffers failed even after they were taught the subject!!!  Think about all those who got educated and took the education seriously...not those who disregarded what they were taught  can't apply same logic here.  May be biology but math and science are not same as sex ed which has self interest as motivating factor.

Its their age, curiosity and inability to comprehend and reconcile with the changes they are going thru that could work in the way it was not intended to in the first place.

That's why they need age appropriate factual education so that they comprehend sex as what it is as a biological function first.  Rest of the creativity that goes into making it fun can come later on when they grow up.  Atleast cover the basics first with the facts and not some blown out of proportion images pictures like Blue Lagoon created for teens in mid 80's.

Look at the curriculum and approach they use.  It can't be taken out of context unlike the media and stories from peers.

As for picking up things from media or friends and family,  it is enough to know that having sex which could lead to pregnancy or STD , is not desirable for young kids.

Nope.  I don't feel it's enough.  Kids now a days are very bright and curious.  They need to know WHY it is not desirable and I do not think media and friends tell them what they should be learning in the first place.  Rather, they tell them about stuff that may get their fantasies going full throttle.  Like qwerty said before , Its like telling them to control a reflex action. Sex Ed cannot change fantasies or fetishes (adults are proof of that), cannot teach them anymore then what they already know thru books, videos, friends, and consequences /dangers already discussed everywhere in media.

I don't think SE can act as a deterent to have sex for those who going to do it anyway. We are actually giving too much credit to kids to make a rational decision when adults have hard time making a rational decision against raging sexual hormones.

Most of the ones who are going to go for it anyways will go for it as educated responsible people. What's the harm then?  I am not saying a kid will always make a rational decision but it's still far far better to make an informed decision rather than an irrational ignorant decision.  If they choose not to abstain, they should know what they are getting into and what some of the ill-effects could be. Again you are making assumption that they will make right use of SE  , not so cos most teens who end up getting pregnant or engaging in high risk unsafe sex are doing it just like how some adults do. because they are careless or they want to be daring and not because of any unawareness on the dangers of sex.

For eaxmple, not so long ago, a lot of teenagers were indulging in oral sex thinking it will prevent them from stds as they are not doing the actual act.  They were ignorant of the fact that they can get certain stds in their throat as well. Most teenagers who have had SE understand this repercussion now a days.  Better to make informed choices than ignorant ones...even if they happen to be an irrational choice.  They don't need formal sed for that, they have internet and media and other means of information.

We are living in the age of free and a lot more information than can possibly be used ever. and for something related to sex or health it doesn't stay uncovered even for a minute.