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Originally posted by return_to_hades

Rape is a serious crime and rape of minors is even more heinous. There is no question of forgiveness in this situation. It will take immense strength & courage for the victim to move on and enjoy a happy future, but this is a trauma that is impossible to forget. When the victim actually can forget the abuse of the past, then let us consider the possibility of forgiving. Even if the abuser can get cured and live a normal future, the crime simply cannot be erased...nor should the guilt.

Are this scientifically documented facts in response to basic instincts.? In a land where sexuality is not matter of honor... the only thing that remains in a rape is the physical violence... any other trauma coming in is a matter of upbringing...only if the sexuality is in the larger scheme of things a matter of honor or cultural /religious/tradititional violation it is traumatic.. otherwise it is somebody taking away something from somebody - now that is mostly not traumatic... since everybody goes through that experience atleast once.. Remember the song "Sweet dreams are made of these... somebody wants to abuse you .. somebody wants to be abused by you...."



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I personally think it sick! and this guy should get electric shock = death!! Angry

what this guy did is immoral..his own daughter!! I heard about it..didn't they have like 7 kids or something?   Dead
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Posted: 15 May 2008 at 5:03am | IP Logged
Originally posted by qwertyesque

Originally posted by return_to_hades

Rape is a serious crime and rape of minors is even more heinous. There is no question of forgiveness in this situation. It will take immense strength & courage for the victim to move on and enjoy a happy future, but this is a trauma that is impossible to forget. When the victim actually can forget the abuse of the past, then let us consider the possibility of forgiving. Even if the abuser can get cured and live a normal future, the crime simply cannot be erased...nor should the guilt.

Are this scientifically documented facts in response to basic instincts.? In a land where sexuality is not matter of honor... the only thing that remains in a rape is the physical violence... any other trauma coming in is a matter of upbringing...only if the sexuality is in the larger scheme of things a matter of honor or cultural /religious/tradititional violation it is traumatic.. otherwise it is somebody taking away something from somebody - now that is mostly not traumatic... since everybody goes through that experience atleast once.. Remember the song "Sweet dreams are made of these... somebody wants to abuse you .. somebody wants to be abused by you...."

Startled to say the least about your take on this.

What is being taken away in a rape is control, trust and possibly innocence. Then you have the violence on top to deal with - these are all the "somethings" that you refer to being taken away - and IMO they are not trivial or mediocre.

For a father to take that from a daughter is particularly heinous.

As far as everyone going through the experience at least once, I assume you mean sexual inetrcourse. For most people they would do so in a loving, or at least consensual situation - a bit different from from rape wouldnt you say???

Finally the lyrics thing was bugging me ....

The correct lyrics are "Some of them want to abuse you, some of them want to be abused"

Most rape victims dont have a choice - nothing in this case case suggests she wanted to be abused by her father or anyone else for that matter.

I will never hear this song in quite the same way....interesting take you have on this Qwert....

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Posted: 15 May 2008 at 8:11am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Madmadgirl

Originally posted by qwertyesque

Originally posted by return_to_hades

Rape is a serious crime and rape of minors is even more heinous. There is no question of forgiveness in this situation. It will take immense strength & courage for the victim to move on and enjoy a happy future, but this is a trauma that is impossible to forget. When the victim actually can forget the abuse of the past, then let us consider the possibility of forgiving. Even if the abuser can get cured and live a normal future, the crime simply cannot be erased...nor should the guilt.

Are this scientifically documented facts in response to basic instincts.? In a land where sexuality is not matter of honor... the only thing that remains in a rape is the physical violence... any other trauma coming in is a matter of upbringing...only if the sexuality is in the larger scheme of things a matter of honor or cultural /religious/tradititional violation it is traumatic.. otherwise it is somebody taking away something from somebody - now that is mostly not traumatic... since everybody goes through that experience atleast once.. Remember the song "Sweet dreams are made of these... somebody wants to abuse you .. somebody wants to be abused by you...."

Startled to say the least about your take on this.

What is being taken away in a rape is control, trust and possibly innocence. Then you have the violence on top to deal with - these are all the "somethings" that you refer to being taken away - and IMO they are not trivial or mediocre.Is rape the only way of inflicting this or this happens otherwise as well!!!!?? is the point i am driving...

For a father to take that from a daughter is particularly heinous.now according to you in the other debate all organs are equal why would a father's action towards those organs be preceived differently except for the use of physical force...?

As far as everyone going through the experience at least once, I assume you mean sexual inetrcourse.no, i mean getting abused or abusing others... For most people they would do so in a loving, or at least consensual situation - a bit different from from rape wouldnt you say??? its consensual which makes even rape legal.. that is if both consent.. I dont believe thats a good criteria...

Finally the lyrics thing was bugging me ....

The correct lyrics are "Some of them want to abuse you, some of them want to be abused"u r right ....but Does it matter as long as you got the point..

Most rape victims dont have a choice - nothing in this case case suggests she wanted to be abused by her father or anyone else for that matter.but thats true of emotional torment or other physical battering abuse as well!!! So whats different about rape!!!????

I will never hear this song in quite the same way....interesting take you have on this Qwert....Sorry about that I didnt mean to do that...Smile

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Posted: 15 May 2008 at 8:45am | IP Logged

Originally posted by Gauri_3

No forgiveness for abuses like incest and rape. If the abuser needs counselling, give to him behind bars but do punish him first.

Counselling kab karna hey!!! hone ke baaad ya pahale???!!!EmbarrassedConfusedOuch

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Posted: 15 May 2008 at 8:56am | IP Logged
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MMG: For a father to take that from a daughter is particularly heinous.
Q: now according to you in the other debate all organs are equal why would a father's action towards those organs be preceived differently except for the use of physical force...?

Now't to do with the organs mate...it's the betrayal of trust I was thinkin of....most daughters dont expect to be sexually violated by their dads......

Need to keep my debates in context - I never said all organs are equal - coz of course theyre not - simply that they all have names and to refer to them by their actual name is OK....bit of a difference in interpretation of my words, my friend....dont you agree??

Keep trying Qwert! Wink

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