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Posted: 30 March 2008 at 9:04pm | IP Logged
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 welcome to dm morning_dew... veri nicely put..SmileWink

Thanks Qwerts Smile.... What I feel there are some illusions of changes in concept of right and wrong over the period of time... for eg. some people might aruge about freedom of women in past and in present. Though if we analyze it , it is same , women were considered precious ...... need to be protected , keeping in mind all the dangers in outside world , they were protected by their men..... what I believe that intention ws never bad... it was never to supress women. same way now women can go out freely and work freely only because now we have protection available out of our houses.  concept is still same . Take away all sexual harrasment laws and other protective laws and see how many of us would like to send our daughters outside. 

Physical relationship before marriage was not allowed back then in almost every society...... basic moral or basic reason ......avoid any situation where a woman or her child  be abondoned in a society which back then was not capable of taking care of them so for the benefit of child specifically and women generally it was not accepted. Now in parts of world where , social asisstance is available and specially with positive paternity identification, it is much easier to support a child and mother........ rules become lenient. rules change...but purpose remain same and that is the moral value a right thing   ..Smile

sure. moral value a right thing. but whose set of morals a right thing?TongueWink

as for how certain moral things got started, it's nice to have all that history.Tongue but shld we care about what the conceptual origins were or should we be concerned about the practical implications today? and some of those implications are that people do go around killing each other, each thinking they got their concepts right. dont look like people got their morals real clear Wink

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actually sati and such was also the morality of the era. in fact, high morality.

not really.  it was more a ritual like child marriage.  certain norms/rituals get tied to female morality over time like widows not getting remarried, north indian married women observing karwa chauth etc.  if they do not follow certain norms/rituals, society doesn't consider them women of virtue.  that's how i see it.

how's that not tied to morality?

it shd not be tied to morality but religious leaders did tie it to morality...why....to control the masses by supressing the women. and creating norms that pressurized the male folks to force their women into performing those rituals.  shaving the heads of widowed women is one such ritual that became a norm in earlier times.

people doing it as a ritual, fine. but why?

because of societal pressure.  they did it so that they were accepted by the society.

somewhere it must have fed in to someone's sense of doing the moral/ right thing.

no, not doing moral/right thing but doing it so that they r not shunned by the society.  for example, not so long ago, live-ins were strict no no in indian society.  they still r but to a lesser extent now.  what is so immoral about live ins when compared to marriage.....they miss the ritual of saat phere, or norm of certifying the marriage in the court.  society creates all the hoop la that one has to face if they opt for a live-in relationship as opposed to getting married no matter how committed and how much in love they r.

yes, but at a certain level, people start following these norms because they think it's the moral thing to do. or having some family elder force it down their throat on grounds that it's a morally right thing to do. question is of their beliefs, not whether something is really moral or not. it's pretty hard to just follow norms for centuries if it hurts and there's no offsetting value.

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LOLLOL..juxtaposition...?. kaafi taqleef hui hongi na.. LOLLOL

not at all if one has had three years of frenchSmile  my apologies agar tumhey samajhney mein taqleef hui hai tohWinkTongue

kya baat rahi ho.. maine india main 4 saal vip frenchie underwear pahana hu.. Mcd may french fries khaye hai.. aur bakaydaa french kissin..magar ab isse iss discussion ka kya lena dena...?????

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Originally posted by Gauri_3

i feel not lying, stealing, cheating, killing etc r no brainers. they r pretty much universally accepted. questions arise when one is forced to accept what the leaders and/or society is preaching related to stuff that falls in the grey area...like rituals and norms.... that may be accepted in one society but not in the other. the rituals/norms r mostly driven by religion and/or socio-economic and educational status of a society. that's why they vary across the globe and they change over time as a society evolves.

women covering themselves- it's a ritual but i believe it also conveys adherence to moral standards. lots of folks wld consider a female immoral if she didnt. same cld be said for sati i think. or a widow who dresses up...

also, lying, cheating etc. I am not sure there are any absolutes there too. Seems like there are exceptional circumstances that justify deceitful behavior too. Still comes down to someone's perspective and what they consider exceptional exculpatory circumstance.

i think we agree on other points but not on what constitutes the moral issues of the day. so much for having one set of right or wrong answers like others have been saying.WinkLOL

 

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Posted: 30 March 2008 at 9:27pm | IP Logged
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LOLLOL..juxtaposition...?. kaafi taqleef hui hongi na.. LOLLOL

not at all if one has had three years of frenchSmile  my apologies agar tumhey samajhney mein taqleef hui hai tohWinkTongue

kya baat rahi ho.. maine india main 4 saal vip frenchie underwear pahana hu.. Mcd may french fries khaye hai.. aur bakaydaa french kissin..magar ab isse iss discussion ka kya lena dena...?????

yes, it wld be better if we explore all the frenchness elsewhere WinkLOL

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