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yes, our moral judgments do enter into the equation- but it's our morals, not someone else's! Winkwe have to hold true to ourselves, not necessarily to something external. i dont see that as being non-judgmental as you are suggesting- nowhere do i suggest that it's acceptable to break the moral contract we have with ourselves.Confused 

meanwhile, i think to argue that we should all have the same sense of right and wrong is ignoring obvious differences in circumstances, perception, natural ability etc.Ouch It also ignores mankind's history of evolving towards different sense of right from wrong, of our differences from even our ancestors, let alone our contemporaries. Now how qwerty and you get to that is something you guys should lay out. Would be better imo than finding exceptions we can debate about endlessly.Smile

 I think what we are saying is that our morals are mostly similar as the 10 commandments hasn't changed since our ancestors time and our moral judgement is consistent within our domain hence ppl engage in lying about affairs, cover ups and using modern era freedom to justify anything and everything.  All of us still get hurt the same and feel the same pain when we are victims . hence don't do what you don't want to be done unto you is still a  favorite quote.

mostly similar, but not the same. like the DNA sequences. 95% similar to chimpanzees but not the same.LOL it's those small differences, whether in DNA or our INDIVIDUAL sense of right/ wrong that make all the difference. it's those few millimeters that makes someone look pretty or makes someone else look hideous. cant be arguing for absolutes based on the 95% when the 5% causes all the variety and deviation and is more representative of actual human experience, not the text-book ones.Wink

also in terms of tone, imo what you have seems to be a less rigid position than what a position of absolute rights and wrongs might imply. if that's the case, then i think we are making some progress in getting to what i was alluding to all along.WinkLOL

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[ first of all slavery is not a moral issue.. its issue of humanity.. you should get that point then we will discuss further...LOL

tum hee ney toh kaha thha ki morality is a sub-set of humanityWink  ab kya hua...woh bhi bhool gayeLOLLOL

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Originally posted by return_to_hades

How are morality and humanity separated? humanity is largely allowing and helping fellow beings to breathe and have no actions directly taking the individual towards death... morality rises above this base concept at times when people "sacrifice" though most often morality is a subset ot humanity..


ya read it that font.. subset ka matlab ka hai.. ?slavery can be just issue of humanity without being a part of morality.. yaar.. kuch toh dhang ki baat karo yeh kiya ho raha hai!!!!??????

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Originally posted by Gauri_3

Originally posted by qwertyesque

[ first of all slavery is not a moral issue.. its issue of humanity.. you should get that point then we will discuss further...LOL

tum hee ney toh kaha thha ki morality is a sub-set of humanityWink  ab kya hua...woh bhi bhool gayeLOLLOL

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Originally posted by qwertyesque

Originally posted by return_to_hades

How are morality and humanity separated? humanity is largely allowing and helping fellow beings to breathe and have no actions directly taking the individual towards death... morality rises above this base concept at times when people "sacrifice" though most often morality is a subset ot humanity..


ya read it that font.. subset ka matlab ka hai.. ?slavery can be just issue of humanity without being a part of morality.. yaar.. kuch toh dhang ki baat karo yeh kiya ho raha hai!!!!??????

LOLLOL tell me how it is moral?  tell me how it is inhuman?  many things that go against humanity are usually immoral tooSmile

the way to realize our humanity is to pursue morality in relating to our fellow human beings.  as lighty once posted here...do unto others as u wld have them do unto u......one of the simplest and best known fundamental moral principle.  don't know how u can claim that slavery is not a moral issueConfused

btw, whether morality is a sub set of humanity or humanity is a sub set of morality is debatable too.  that, too, is subjective...may be some other day we'll take that topic upSmile

...aur rahee dhang ki baat...woh meri siggy mein thodey hee hai jo main karoon.  jis ki siggy mein hai woh karey toh kareyTongueLOL

ok so now we at the page of my debate.. so catch till then I will take some rest...LOL

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