Right or Wrong - who determines that? - Page 3

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

What do you mean by this - no right or wrong if one can think. Is it some neo-philolosophy along the lines that there is no good and evil - only power.actually thats true.. you cant categorize anything as good or bad right...  



There is a gray line being tread here. The thing is that most alcoholics and drug abusers are conscious that what they are doing is 'wrong' not really.. it might come as hindsight or post-mortems..  but do not have the mental and physical capacity to do the 'right' thing. See even you are assuming some "right" here....There are many things that we know as 'wrong' but do anyway and many things we know that are 'right' we do not do, because of the strange notion we foster that its OK this instance. As long as this is true I am ok.. Your statement simply means we have already the "right" and "wrong" is well-defined.. its compliane its not total, though.. All I dont agree we defining the right and wrong.. as a part of evolution..😊

The law is an attempt to establish a black and white system for judging right or wrong, yet every now and then there are situations where we realize that despite the structure 'right is wrong' and 'wrong is right'. The law should not interfere with morality.. its blind and not qualified to make the right decisions...

You simply cannot divide everything in black and white. Actually you can.. if you cant that means either we want the liberty to alter the right and wrong at our convenience...or we want to take liberties with it...😊

Originally posted by: chatbuster

question asked is who determines right or wrong, not who SHOULD determine it. 😉

obviously we/ society dont want criminals to be setting the bar for what's right or wrong. but even in this example, from the perspective of the criminal who believes he can get away with it, who doesn't believe in heaven or hell, who doesn't believe in or care about consequences whether in this or in a next-life, why is even a life of crime a wrong thing? if he lives just once, and can get crime to pay, it might even be a perfectly "rational" thing to do. it might horrify us, but why's such a life a bad thing from his/ her perspective?😉

which is why the answer to the question posed above is- we do, individually, and collectively. and our ideas may or not tally with the notions others have.

I think we cant either as individual or collective.. just some of us maybe.. the religious heads or some intellectuals..etc...cos they are the only who take it up as a full time job of  passing on this legacy...which is why it shouldnt require to either change most of these definations every now and then...

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

I think we cant either as individual or collective.. just some of us maybe.. the religious heads or some intellectuals..etc...cos they are the only who take it up as a full time job of  passing on this legacy...which is why it shouldnt require to either change most of these definations every now and then...

the sections where u have the masses following a handful of religious/intellectual heads unquestioningly, u end up seeing insurgence of fanaticism which is not good for anyone...including the blind followers themselves.

we humans r equipped with a brain and we shd utilize it to assess whether what we r told makes sense or not.  this is the reason there's no "absolute" right or wrong (outside the boundaries of strict ethical/moral guidelines).  the perception changes over a period of time and across the globe.  if one refuses to change, they simply perish.  change is the only constant that keeps everything moving...including this universe.  therefore, i do not agree with your last statement above. 

Originally posted by: chatbuster

lol, sure.😛 an "absolute" that keeps changing over time, as we keep discovering new things, at times reversing previous notions of "absolute right or wrong". like the world before galileo. they sure thought they knew which end was up, didnt they?😉

but u're right about absolut vodka.😆 always the "right" stuff to take if u wanna get a buzz. if u can get the other fizz to add down right😉

 

Again make up your mind.. is it morality, science or vodka you are talking about.. get off the latter two and then reply again...😆

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Again make up your mind.. is it morality, science or vodka you are talking about.. get off the latter two and then reply again...😆

i am talking about anything but childishly tautological "right is right" and "wrong is wrong" kind of statements. 😉ab tu bata, do u want science, morality or vodka?😉😆

Originally posted by: lighthouse

 Nice to see you in DM Shruti.😃

 Its not just humans, animals are also born with inherent sense of right and wrong. you don't see animals going on hunting spree unless they are hungry.

sure about that? dont camels do the equilavent thing of stocking up?😉

now even taking your example, why is going hunting after other animals even if u are hungry a decidedly "right" thing to do? isnt that also a matter of perspective? one animal's meat is another animal's hide😉 

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

the sections where u have the masses following a handful of religious/intellectual heads unquestioningly, u end up seeing insurgence of fanaticism which is not good for anyone...including the blind followers themselves.now its some food for thought.. why these handful people have become fanatics today when the similar handful has been existing for 1000's of years!!!???? what exactly has changed now...except for western depravity and in particular in the USA...

we humans r equipped with a brain and we shd utilize it to assess whether what we r told makes sense or not.  this is the reason there's no "absolute" right or wrong (outside the boundaries of strict ethical/moral guidelines).  the perception changes over a period of time and across the globe.  if one refuses to change, they simply perish.  change is the only constant that keeps everything moving...including this universe.  therefore, i do not agree with your last statement above. Everybody perishes.. so there is no idea that can last... only the good ones.. which is one reason.. all the moral values have been largely the same and no mom today asks her smalls kids.. "bete, what would u like for breakfast milk, or rum ?" or whether they would like to watch "harry potter" or "HBO after dark"...😆😆.. All said the sum of all changes are the same what was there 2000 years ago... so just to avoid being mislead by what one might think, the brain...its better to follow the rules setup ages ago...

Originally posted by: lighthouse

 Thank god more ppl agree with what is right then disagree...!!!!

apparently not enuff to prevent people from killing each other on grounds of which life-style/ morality/ religious belief/ social ordering is better.😛

Originally posted by: chatbuster

sure about that? dont camels do the equilavent thing of stocking up?😉

now even taking your example, why is going hunting after other animals even if u are hungry a decidedly "right" thing to do? isnt that also a matter of perspective? one animal's meat is another animal's hide😉 

To do a great job at missing the point.. is totally admirable...😆...I missed this LH's post so I just read it before reading what you said.. and man what should I say.....

Originally posted by: chatbuster

i am talking about anything but childishly tautological "right is right" and "wrong is wrong" kind of statements. 😉ab tu bata, do u want science, morality or vodka?😉😆

If you can get urself to comprehend/agree that morality and science are mutually exclusive...to the extremes of being logical and illogical .that would help .. ok now lets hope only vodka thing remains.. hope you can get that off..😆

Ok the issue here is science is not concerned with morality.. it deals with experiment results which can be refuted.. by better experiments and measures this is not the same as morality...but if you observe even Science hasn't got as many refutals over 1000's of years...