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Posted: 04 February 2008 at 11:05am | IP Logged
Originally posted by SholaJoBhadkey

Originally posted by nitasuni

      In middle class, even now, extra marital affairs and ;ive in relationships are very rare and if there is it is a news. But in lower and high class it is not a  problem. consuming liquour is very high in these two strata of society  Latenight parties and all associate evils are not accepted by the middle class. It is true middle class kids attracted to  hi-fy life changing the morale and life style.

Not so rare any more, and it's not news because they are not worthy of being hounded by the media.

They may not be accepted by the middle-class (although the scenario is changing quite rapidly) but it's happening and there's no denying it. If there are "middle class values", they are being eroded.

Like it was stated earlier - there are only good values and bad values. Tongue

How many would you say you know first hand... this question always works in my favor... because people generally talk about "I read", "I heard" and other statistics... which I dont strongly believe in..because of the way it is used to create hype... Whereas I do believe it can happen its not like a deluge of happenings out there doing some mass erosion....

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Posted: 04 February 2008 at 11:08am | IP Logged

Originally posted by TallyHo

Isnt it all relative...I mean the bachchans would be middle class compared to the ruler here in Abu dhabi...wont they? Big smile
Isnt it more like a economic class division.. wheres the value system there...

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Posted: 04 February 2008 at 11:18am | IP Logged
Originally posted by qwertyesque

Originally posted by SholaJoBhadkey

Originally posted by nitasuni

      In middle class, even now, extra marital affairs and ;ive in relationships are very rare and if there is it is a news. But in lower and high class it is not a  problem. consuming liquour is very high in these two strata of society  Latenight parties and all associate evils are not accepted by the middle class. It is true middle class kids attracted to  hi-fy life changing the morale and life style.

Not so rare any more, and it's not news because they are not worthy of being hounded by the media.

They may not be accepted by the middle-class (although the scenario is changing quite rapidly) but it's happening and there's no denying it. If there are "middle class values", they are being eroded.

Like it was stated earlier - there are only good values and bad values. Tongue

How many would you say you know first hand... this question always works in my favor... because people generally talk about "I read", "I heard" and other statistics... which I dont strongly believe in..because of the way it is used to create hype... Whereas I do believe it can happen its not like a deluge of happenings out there doing some mass erosion....

Qwerty, I used to live in a "middle-class" mohalla. 20 years down the line I have seen the place change, not physically but in terms of values. I have seen people making out in cars in an open parking lot bang in the middle of the mohalla, rowdy parties, men and women getting sozzled, teenagers returning home way past midnight. Aren't these the so-called upper/lower-class values that are being trashed?

Look at the whole call-centre culture. It's not media hype. The point is that these things are not "bad" anymore because people are accepting them more than they did, say, twenty years ago.

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Posted: 04 February 2008 at 11:24am | IP Logged
Originally posted by SholaJoBhadkey

Originally posted by qwertyesque

Originally posted by SholaJoBhadkey

Originally posted by nitasuni

      In middle class, even now, extra marital affairs and ;ive in relationships are very rare and if there is it is a news. But in lower and high class it is not a  problem. consuming liquour is very high in these two strata of society  Latenight parties and all associate evils are not accepted by the middle class. It is true middle class kids attracted to  hi-fy life changing the morale and life style.

Not so rare any more, and it's not news because they are not worthy of being hounded by the media.

They may not be accepted by the middle-class (although the scenario is changing quite rapidly) but it's happening and there's no denying it. If there are "middle class values", they are being eroded.

Like it was stated earlier - there are only good values and bad values. Tongue

How many would you say you know first hand... this question always works in my favor... because people generally talk about "I read", "I heard" and other statistics... which I dont strongly believe in..because of the way it is used to create hype... Whereas I do believe it can happen its not like a deluge of happenings out there doing some mass erosion....

Qwerty, I used to live in a "middle-class" mohalla. 20 years down the line I have seen the place change, not physically but in terms of values. I have seen people making out in cars in an open parking lot bang in the middle of the mohalla, rowdy parties, men and women getting sozzled, teenagers returning home way past midnight. Aren't these the so-called upper/lower-class values that are being trashed?

Look at the whole call-centre culture. It's not media hype. The point is that these things are not "bad" anymore because people are accepting them more than they did, say, twenty years ago.

same here Sholey, I have seen the middle class change. I dont have anyone I know who has reached depravity of the kind you saying... The point is getting first hand evidence is pretty tough... Like ok..I am a middle class guy and my cousin is having an extra marital affair.. or she is doing xyz... etc etc.. or my neighbor is doing that or. Just like I account man y extra marital affairs going on in my neighborhood.. yes that doesnt mean it may not exist but just that the statistic is not that astounding as if every 3rd person in Middle class is having a extra marital affair.. veri untrue.. Just like saying..Aishwarya had so many affairs before she married Abhi.. all we know is somebody was after her and "affairs" as viewed in the western world is not the same when we talk of afairs in our oriental world...Smile

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Posted: 04 February 2008 at 11:36am | IP Logged
Originally posted by qwertyesque

Originally posted by TallyHo

Isnt it all relative...I mean the bachchans would be middle class compared to the ruler here in Abu dhabi...wont they? Big smile
Isnt it more like a economic class division.. wheres the value system there...

Middle class was always an economic creation. When and how it changed into a value-system is difficult to point out. In most parts of the world it's still based on economic factors. Ek hum hi hain jo values ke peechey padey huey hain LOL

 

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Posted: 04 February 2008 at 11:41am | IP Logged
Originally posted by qwertyesque

same here Sholey, I have seen the middle class change. I dont have anyone I know who has reached depravity of the kind you saying... The point is getting first hand evidence is pretty tough... Like ok..I am a middle class guy and my cousin is having an extra marital affair.. or she is doing xyz... etc etc.. or my neighbor is doing that or. Just like I account man y extra marital affairs going on in my neighborhood.. yes that doesnt mean it may not exist but just that the statistic is not that astounding as if every 3rd person in Middle class is having a extra marital affair.. veri untrue.. Just like saying..Aishwarya had so many affairs before she married Abhi.. all we know is somebody was after her and "affairs" as viewed in the western world is not the same when we talk of afairs in our oriental world...Smile

Qwerty, I don't know about other metropolises, but you just have to drive around Delhi at night and you will see what I mean. It's not my cousin or my neighbour or my colleague's neice. It's the general populace Smile 

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Posted: 04 February 2008 at 11:50am | IP Logged
Originally posted by SholaJoBhadkey

Originally posted by qwertyesque

same here Sholey, I have seen the middle class change. I dont have anyone I know who has reached depravity of the kind you saying... The point is getting first hand evidence is pretty tough... Like ok..I am a middle class guy and my cousin is having an extra marital affair.. or she is doing xyz... etc etc.. or my neighbor is doing that or. Just like I account man y extra marital affairs going on in my neighborhood.. yes that doesnt mean it may not exist but just that the statistic is not that astounding as if every 3rd person in Middle class is having a extra marital affair.. veri untrue.. Just like saying..Aishwarya had so many affairs before she married Abhi.. all we know is somebody was after her and "affairs" as viewed in the western world is not the same when we talk of afairs in our oriental world...Smile

Qwerty, I don't know about other metropolises, but you just have to drive around Delhi at night and you will see what I mean. It's not my cousin or my neighbour or my colleague's neice. It's the general populace Smile 

right and when most of the people say that it becomes an exception not a rule...Smile

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