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Posted: 20 January 2008 at 9:09am | IP Logged
There was a case during Xmas break when this teen and his girlfriend killed his parents.

If they refuse treatments they should be locked up!!!! Angry   They are a danger to society. At least here they wont be set free.

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Originally posted by Morning_Dew

We all know , here any adult can refuse medical treatment. It also include psychiatric treatment .

I remember somedays back I watched one program regarding psycho killers. There was a story of a teenager who killed his mother. His father was interviewd he told , that his son was mentally ill and was admitted to hospital. On his discharge from there he stoped taking his medications . as a result his symptoms returned and that was when he started threatening his mother.. His father contacted police and health care people. However because his son was 18- 19 years old so as an adult he could refuse treatment. So no one helped him and eventually he killed his mother.

 

My question is .. in such situation , What should be the best way to deal such people .

Problem is.. in  alot many cases , till these people take their medications etc they remain somewhat under control and can behave like anyother normal person. Now in such situation if they refuse further treatment , should their consent be valid just like any other person?

As far as I know, under the American Hospital Association's Patient Bill of Rights, the patient may refuse treatment and be allowed to refuse treatment only if the patient is of legal age AND of sound mind. If we're taking a psycho killer, then in legal terms, he is not of sound mind. Furthermore, if he was being treated at a hospital for his mental illness and the hospital records indicate that he was clearly not of sound mind, then he has no right to refuse medical treatment. His opinion would not matter. The right to refuse medical treatment would fall upon his primary caregivers, in this case, his parents. And if the father DID want him to get treated for his mental condition, then he should have been treated by the health care givers. Something in the story just doesnt add up. Sounds to me like there's a lot more that the hospital or the family isnt letting the public in on.

And to answer your question, the right to refuse medical treatment is only valid if it comes from someone who is of legal age, and of sound mind. If someone isnt of sound mind (and proven not to be of sound mind), then no, their refusal should not be valid.

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Refusing treatment amounts to commiting suicide.. Americans should do what they do the best... pass a law mandating medical treatment or legalize homicide.... Smile

Sadly sound mind hypothesis will not work since doctors are not efficient witht their law books as the lawyers are with the medical books  and who would rip apart their diagnosis....



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Originally posted by qwertyesque

Sadly sound mind hypothesis will not work since doctors are not efficient witht their law books as the lawyers are with the medical books  and who would rip apart their diagnosis....

On the contrary, doctors in training today are expected to be somewhat knowledgeable about laws concerning patient care. The patient bill of rights is part of the curriculum of most pre-med and medical school programs...it is quite unlikely that a doctor would not have encountered it during his/her training.

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Originally posted by qwertyesque

Sadly sound mind hypothesis will not work since doctors are not efficient witht their law books as the lawyers are with the medical books  and who would rip apart their diagnosis....

On the contrary, doctors in training today are expected to be somewhat knowledgeable about laws concerning patient care. The patient bill of rights is part of the curriculum of most pre-med and medical school programs...it is quite unlikely that a doctor would not have encountered it during his/her training.

geting trained in law is not to fight a law suit.. but for understanding sake only...they can testify they cant defend when somebody is rippign them apart...

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Originally posted by Gauri_3

Originally posted by qwertyesque

Originally posted by ~globetrotter~

Originally posted by qwertyesque

Sadly sound mind hypothesis will not work since doctors are not efficient witht their law books as the lawyers are with the medical books  and who would rip apart their diagnosis....

On the contrary, doctors in training today are expected to be somewhat knowledgeable about laws concerning patient care. The patient bill of rights is part of the curriculum of most pre-med and medical school programs...it is quite unlikely that a doctor would not have encountered it during his/her training.

geting trained in law is not to fight a law suit.. but for understanding sake only...they can testify they cant defend when somebody is rippign them apart...

huh.....and what's stopping them to hire some big shot lawyer defending them yaarConfused  baat kuchh hazam naheen hui. haazme key liye lijiye... pudin hara aur samajh sujh bujh badhane key lijiye chyawanprash going by your logic, even the top notch ambulance chasers will be in pretty patrhetic state if they start using their medical knowledge to conduct an open heart surgery on themselves by themselvesTongue

jis ka kaam usee ko saajhey, dooja karey toh ____ ____WinkTongueLOL

LOLLOL.. I am not talking about doctor being sued garui.. just his testimony being ripped apart...LOL

ok here is what happens. doctor is saying person A is insane.. the defence lawyer does everything to prove that the doctor is not right.. which is where the doctor falls short since they are not legally strong.. since diagnosing somebody as insane is treading the grey area of diagnosis... not that the lawyer knows better but its alway easy to unsettle a undecided mind.....Smile



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