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Posted: 13 June 2009 at 12:42pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by PhoeniXof_Hades

Old topic, hun Wink

Anyway, I am not an atheist, but I am not a theist, either.. an agnostic would be the best term to describe my stance when it comes down to the subject of God. I was raised up in a somewhat religious family, but never did I really believe in the creation[ism] stories and other stuffs my parents fed me up with. It was from a very early age (from as long as I can remember, to be honest) that I questioned about the existence and nature of God; I am not the sort of person to blindly believe in things simply because they were passed down to us like clothes.

I pondered into a lot of philosophy, starting from pantheistic philosophies to monotheistic ones, etc, and currently the one I find to be accurate and logical is Deism. Deism explains up a lot of things I had questions about, and I am sort of happy as considering myself as a deist.

I would also like to keep my identity as a Muslim, even if I don't believe in everything it states. Embarrassed

But Labib, why would you want to associate yourself with a religion when you question/disbelieve or are unsure of its basic foundational beliefs? You question the existence of God, the creationist stories, etc, then why do you want to be called a Muslim is my question.

Just a thought, no offense intended. Smile

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Posted: 14 June 2009 at 8:49am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Believe

Most of People Fear God, i dont know why!!?

Good one have a look on this!!!

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class
on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new students to stand and.....

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?

Student: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student: Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed
to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help
others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God
good then? Hmm ?

Student: (Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again,
young fella. Is God good?

Student: Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student: No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student: From.....God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this

Student: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it?

Student : Yes .

Prof : And God did make everything. Correct?

Student: Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

Student: (Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the world, don't

Student: Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

Student: (Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to
identify and observe the world around you. Tell me,
son...Have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student: No , sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God,
smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory
perception of God for that matter?

Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable
protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do
you say to that, son?

Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

Student: No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn
of events.)

Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more
heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat
or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We
can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but
we can't go any further after that. There is no such
thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe
the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.

Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir,
just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such
a thing as darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the
absence of something. You can have low light, normal
light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have
no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called
darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it
were, you would be able to make darkness darker,
wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise
is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of
duality. You argue there is life and then there is
death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the
concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It
uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen,
much less fully understood either one. To view death
as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact
that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death
is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.

Student : Now tell me, Professor , do you teach your
students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary
process, yes, of course, I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your
own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning
to realize where the argument is going.)

Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of
evolution at work and cannot even prove that this
process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching
your opinion, Sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher ?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever
seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the
Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt
it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according
to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no
brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then
trust your lectures, sir ?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the
student, his face unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it sir.. The link between man & God
is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive

The student was.......... "Albert Einsten"
Big smile Smile
Clapi agree wid EINSTEN
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Posted: 14 June 2009 at 6:10pm | IP Logged
i have total faith in him. When i get what i ask for my faith in him increases. If he does not aswer my prayers then i do feel that he does it fora reason and he has somthing else in store for me. Life cant always be the way we want or else there would be chaos in the world lol. How much god gives us is enogh for us and we should not ask for for more then we can handleSmile
happe IF-Dazzler

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Posted: 14 June 2009 at 11:49pm | IP Logged
Absolutely believe in God. It is my faith in God that keeps me going in life.
NaughtySon Senior Member

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Posted: 15 June 2009 at 2:15am | IP Logged
i don't know if I beleive or not in God. It all looks like a big puzzle. I'm not agnostic. It is a big puzzle. Thanks
Super-Computer Groupbie

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Posted: 15 June 2009 at 12:59pm | IP Logged
*Power On*

*Processing - please wait*

Case 1: God exists

1.High frequency of positive events
2.Low Frequency of negative events

Conditions fail

Case 1 Fails

Case 2:God does not exist

1.Population - self sufficient
2.Events - determined by population element's actions

Conditions true.

Case 2 exists

Conclusion: God does not exist

*Operation successful*

return_to_hades IF-Sizzlerz

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Posted: 15 June 2009 at 2:37pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Super-Computer

*Power On*

*Processing - please wait*

Case 1: God exists

1.High frequency of positive events
2.Low Frequency of negative events

Conditions fail

Case 1 Fails

Case 2:God does not exist

1.Population - self sufficient
2.Events - determined by population element's actions

Conditions true.

Case 2 exists

Conclusion: God does not exist

*Operation successful*

On what premises are the conditions for the two cases determined? I do not see why existence of God needs high frequency of positive events or that free will determines absence of God. Whats the rationale behind the test conditions?

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