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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 4:00pm | IP Logged
No it's not possible... Govt sab kuch karegi then what are duties of citizens towads the county... expectations ...expectations and expectation let Govt come home cook food tooo.

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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 12:18am | IP Logged
Originally posted by sareg

Originally posted by JayKish

Originally posted by sareg

why is providing a job a responsibility of the govt?
Who has responsibilitly to provide  a job, your life security. If government will not do that then why have you established a government. Is goverment for government?

http://scientificcommunism.blogspot.com/2007/09/fight-for-so cialism.html


please let us stop citing just someone's blogs and start thinking for ourselves, our structure is different, we are not communists nation, we are a democracy

In Democracy, we all have rights and responsibilities. In Communism you dont have rights and you dont have responsibilities, if we want our rights, we should learn to handle our responsibilities too, a large difference between what you cite and what we have here in India

what all does have the Govt have to do?

The primary responsility of the Govt is to provide an environment of safety and equality.

Now if a citizen is educated or not, it becomes his responsibility to look after his interests. In a democratic set-up the citizen has that responsibility, we are not communists, where the citizen has no rights and no responsibilities, here we have our rights and our responsibilities

If a citizen cannot find a job, he/she should not just sit there waiting for Govt to do something, they should go out and look for whatever gets food on the table, whether or not it suits their qualifications, That is "Their" responsibility towards themselves and the country.

Unfortunately in India, we are very used to this, "oh I am a Engineer" "oh I am a B'com" this work is beneath me and Govt should create a job for me.

NO doesnt work that way

If the citizens start picking up their responsibilty the Govt will have enough time to do what they are supposed to do, like provide us security and equality

We should get out of this entitlement mentality, Oh my Govt is supposed to do this for me. No the govt is not supposed to do anything, you have two hands, you work

forget about that socialism crap, doesnt work in India, we chose to be a democracy, we are not China, let us start to work with what we have

Clap.... Very apt response....Clap

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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 6:25am | IP Logged
Originally posted by ChameliKaYaar

Originally posted by sareg

Originally posted by JayKish

Originally posted by sareg

why is providing a job a responsibility of the govt?
Who has responsibilitly to provide  a job, your life security. If government will not do that then why have you established a government. Is goverment for government?

http://scientificcommunism.blogspot.com/2007/09/fight-for-so cialism.html


please let us stop citing just someone's blogs and start thinking for ourselves, our structure is different, we are not communists nation, we are a democracy

In Democracy, we all have rights and responsibilities. In Communism you dont have rights and you dont have responsibilities, if we want our rights, we should learn to handle our responsibilities too, a large difference between what you cite and what we have here in India

what all does have the Govt have to do?

The primary responsility of the Govt is to provide an environment of safety and equality.

Now if a citizen is educated or not, it becomes his responsibility to look after his interests. In a democratic set-up the citizen has that responsibility, we are not communists, where the citizen has no rights and no responsibilities, here we have our rights and our responsibilities

If a citizen cannot find a job, he/she should not just sit there waiting for Govt to do something, they should go out and look for whatever gets food on the table, whether or not it suits their qualifications, That is "Their" responsibility towards themselves and the country.

Unfortunately in India, we are very used to this, "oh I am a Engineer" "oh I am a B'com" this work is beneath me and Govt should create a job for me.

NO doesnt work that way

If the citizens start picking up their responsibilty the Govt will have enough time to do what they are supposed to do, like provide us security and equality

We should get out of this entitlement mentality, Oh my Govt is supposed to do this for me. No the govt is not supposed to do anything, you have two hands, you work

forget about that socialism crap, doesnt work in India, we chose to be a democracy, we are not China, let us start to work with what we have

Clap.... Very apt response....Clap

At first I want to clear that the blog is mine and i have written the article over 100% job. second things that you have misunderstanding about communism. So you should study some book on communism.

In democrecy nothing you have right only you have devotion to govornment which handle or capture by captalist. You are living in captalist systems. Captalist system is a market socity not a human society and can not be human society ever. Captalist systems means the power and captare of big captial over socity and market.

You are sying the primary responsility of the Govt is to provide an environment of safety and equality. Is there the thing is exist?

In realy human first time get his responsibility and right only and only communistm. You have doubt becouse you have misperception about communism.

To do a job or work what is necessiry things? The basic things is not your qualification or sharp mind, the basic thing is the product which you are producing people can be used. For example, you are producing a pen and society has no need it then will you produce a pen? No and never.  

If you are engineer and B.com then where you will you search a job? What do you mean by the primary responsility of the Govt is to provide an environment of safety and equality?

Again I am saying the blog read carefully and after that you want to answer all the thins then you will have to study this http://marx2mao.com/M&E/WLC47.html  and http://marx2mao.com/Lenin/SR17.html

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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 6:30am | IP Logged

Originally posted by raj5000

No it's not possible... Govt sab kuch karegi then what are duties of citizens towads the county... expectations ...expectations and expectation let Govt come home cook food tooo.

Is your government cooked food for you? Is expectations is wrong then what is right? When do you want something by the state that is not expectations that is your right and no one want extra the goverment. Whenever the government everyday captaure your rights and even your resources.

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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 7:37am | IP Logged

Hi guys………I am new to this forum………This topic is very contemporary & interesting indeed so just want to share my views regarding this………

I do not know much about Capitalism or communism………so don't want to say anything on that……...Me trying to analyze the problem according to the current happening in India………

First of all what is meant by job…….is it something which provides a man with his basic need of life like average food, shelter & clothing……..or job is something which makes a man capable of fulfilling all his dreams………in case of first option ok one can expect from a such kind of job from the government………but I do believe in the second option & in that case I don't think one should ask the government to provide a job……..Government's duty is to built up the education system but not to make everyone topper……….here definitely comes the concept of the fittest……..Govt at max provide you wheat but it's individual choice & hard work whether to make roti or paratha from that……

Now in this situation instead of analyzing the problem better to search the solution………I feel entrepreneurship is the only solution to this problem……….The youth of India instead of seeking a job can build up of their own……..they should be the self-employer……..many of you will ask is that so easy how to get the initial investment…….here Government comes in to the picture…..no doubt it is lot more difficult to be an employer than an employee……..but truly there is no alternative to handwork……..

an example here I know some girls who used to make sweets at home & sell in the local trains……..they don't have degree but they are earning & feeding their family……..Again I know a man who lost his father at the age of seven continued his study with poverty & doing some job from the age of 12 now the man is a successful businessman……...he even refused to join a secure govt job after completing graduation……..He is not only earned a better life for himself but helped some more people to survive…….

one can start a business with even Rs200/- in his or her pocket……..everyone is capable of doing some job efficiently & that is the capital……...Just one need to know how to sell his or her best skills……..it is impossible to make a uniform society for all its one's choice how to find place within this system………

 



Edited by saswatisett - 12 September 2007 at 7:44am

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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 11:21am | IP Logged
Originally posted by JayKish

Originally posted by raj5000

No it's not possible... Govt sab kuch karegi then what are duties of citizens towads the county... expectations ...expectations and expectation let Govt come home cook food tooo.

Is your government cooked food for you? Is expectations is wrong then what is right? When do you want something by the state that is not expectations that is your right and no one want extra the goverment. Whenever the government everyday captaure your rights and even your resources.

No! even if they did would not want them to,  there are many more burning issues where Govt. to focus thie efforts, thats another thing that I love to cook my own meals.

There should be a limit to expectations that is what I mean there, 100% employment? are you kiddin me. With limited infrastucture, funds, inceased population, is it possible?? How??.  What about individuals, should they realize this fact and increase thier own competencies, to ensure employment within limitations?

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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 11:40am | IP Logged
HI Saswati and welcome to DM.. Keep posting! Smile


Great post Sareg Clap

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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 12:06pm | IP Logged
Big smile
Originally posted by saswatisett

Hi guys………I am new to this forum………This topic is very contemporary & interesting indeed so just want to share my views regarding this………

I do not know much about Capitalism or communism………so don't want to say anything on that……...Me trying to analyze the problem according to the current happening in India………

First of all what is meant by job…….is it something which provides a man with his basic need of life like average food, shelter & clothing……..or job is something which makes a man capable of fulfilling all his dreams………in case of first option ok one can expect from a such kind of job from the government………but I do believe in the second option & in that case I don't think one should ask the government to provide a job……..Government's duty is to built up the education system but not to make everyone topper……….here definitely comes the concept of the fittest……..Govt at max provide you wheat but it's individual choice & hard work whether to make roti or paratha from that……

Now in this situation instead of analyzing the problem better to search the solution………I feel entrepreneurship is the only solution to this problem……….The youth of India instead of seeking a job can build up of their own……..they should be the self-employer……..many of you will ask is that so easy how to get the initial investment…….here Government comes in to the picture…..no doubt it is lot more difficult to be an employer than an employee……..but truly there is no alternative to handwork……..

an example here I know some girls who used to make sweets at home & sell in the local trains……..they don't have degree but they are earning & feeding their family……..Again I know a man who lost his father at the age of seven continued his study with poverty & doing some job from the age of 12 now the man is a successful businessman……...he even refused to join a secure govt job after completing graduation……..He is not only earned a better life for himself but helped some more people to survive…….

one can start a business with even Rs200/- in his or her pocket……..everyone is capable of doing some job efficiently & that is the capital……...Just one need to know how to sell his or her best skills……..it is impossible to make a uniform society for all its one's choice how to find place within this system………

 

 Welcome to DM Saswati..Big smile

 I agree with your underlined point above which I have observed too in the immigrant community in USA with immigrants from the east in particular. Unemployement in legal and illiegal immigrant community is almost neglible (except for IT immigrants.) . Anyone who WANTS TO work can find work in any field or open up a business often with very little money.  My friends brother inlaw who practised as a doctor in India decided not to go thru recertification after coming to USA and is a succesful sales person now.

 Govt is not responsible for your wellbeing if one chooses to be in-adaptive.

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