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Posted: 02 September 2007 at 2:45am | IP Logged

Originally posted by Ms. Bholi Bhali

Originally posted by SmarterDesiKid

Hello, I'm backLOLLOL

so
what makes a good debate?

One that gives you 2-3 options, or one that doesn't give options at all?
Does a debate actually have to make sense, or do we make it make sense ourselves?
Does it need facts, or does it need possible theories?



interesting, I always wondered how to rate a debate!!

I guess, you need a group of stubborn ppl, who will make sure that other in the group agree to them, doesn't matter if their last breath comes in the middle!!!
they have to prove a point, aur apni galti nahian mani kabhi, and have to keep going on and on and on, until the other party quits or agrees or the topic is closed by a dev team member, telling everyone in other words to "get a life"

hmmm i feel a debate in forum is like...full of ingredents..

4 stubborn people..3 people who can write lenghty...2 people who write jokes to light the situation...

1 big topic add some religious articles....1 lecture on patriotism(swad anusar) according to taste.. first cut all the religion or region into pieces..wash with sause of citizenship...  mix them well... squeeze a member from every corner..and serve it   and dont forget to add some MOD notes for freshness..Smile

take in light way.....

a debate not necessarily make sense ...but it should have pages filled...

as some one said some where...

a debate consist of 3 things

1)my truth

2) your truth

3) real truth



Edited by guess_gallery - 02 September 2007 at 3:18am
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Posted: 02 September 2007 at 6:04am | IP Logged
Ofcourse facts are needed to debate on something BUT facts should be facts not opinions made into seem like facts.

SHowing an article (which are mostly opinions) as a "proof" is certainly not a fact, though people seem to believe more on articles than on facts now-a-days for some strange unknown reason Ouch

Options help when debating... and when there are no options available there is less debating, more talking, less discussion, more attacking Wink

One last thing: not attacking others or thier beliefs makes a good debate too Wink

Originally posted by guess_gallery

hmmm i feel a debate in forum is like...full of ingredents..

4 stubborn people..3 people who can write lenghty...2 people who write jokes to light the situation...

1 big topic add some religious articles....1 lecture on patriotism(swad anusar) according to taste.. first cut all the religion or region into pieces..wash with sause of citizenship... mix them well... squeeze a member from every corner..and serve it   and dont forget to add some MOD notes for freshness..


Good one LOL

Let me add one more ingredient: 2 people to analyse the words used in the posts
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Posted: 02 September 2007 at 8:00am | IP Logged
From Indiadivine, forum - Bhakti List. This is giving an overview of the types of "debates" according to Nyaaya.

Nyaaya is one of six systems of orthodox Indian philosophy, which is mainly known for developing the logical infrastructure used by all the other philosophies.


There are actually four types of discussions - samvaada, vaada, jalpa
and vitanDa.
samvaada is the discussion between the teacher and the taught as in
shree krishna-arujuna samvaada. The student does not question the
teacher but questions his understanding for clarification. This type
of discussion can occur only when the student surrenders himself
compleately at the feet of the teacher.

Vaada - is the discussion between two equals - the purpose is to
settle what is the truth. Both come to the table for discussion with
an open mind and the discussion is based on some accepted pramaaNa -
of the authority - for vedanata the pramaaNa-s are specifically the
prasthaanatraya - the Vedas, Bhagavad Geeta and Brahmasuutra. There
are judges to insure the discussion proceeds along the accepted
pramaaNa-s The discussion proceeds until one accepts the other
arguments. Some time the discussions can take days - as in the
famous discussion between Shankara and Mandana Misra which was
supposed to have lasted for 18 days till Mandana Misra accepted
defeat and became Shankara's disciple. Mandana Misra's wife,
Bharati, who was a scholar by herself was supposed to have served as
a judge for that vaada.


Jalpa is where each discussors comes to the table with preconceived
notion that he is right and the other fellow is worng. The other
fellow also comes with the same notion. The purpose of the
discussion is only to conver the other fellow to his camp. There is
no knowledge that takes place in these discussions. Even if one is
loosing his arguments, he only goes and comes back with more
ammunition to defend himself. Only lot of noise. But those who are
bystander can learn the defect in each of their orguments and they
can learn out of these discussions if they do not have nay
preconceived notions. Now a days when I hear any discussions among an
adviatins, vishishhTaadvaitins and dvaitins, I find it mostly as
jalpa than vaada.

Vitanda - is some what peculier. In these discussions one is ready
to take up the other fellows arguments, which he himself does not
believ in, but orgues against the other fellow just to prove that he
is wrong. This is also accepted arguments and is used very
effectively to prove there is no credibility for the opponent. You
are wrong, not becuase the stament by itself is worng but it is wrong
because you made that statement.
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Posted: 02 September 2007 at 11:41am | IP Logged

 

 Good post Sourav and QT..!!!!

 World history proves that sticky issues are sorted out by war and conflict and not the debate - Kauravs vs Pandavas, Rome vs everybody else  and World wars etc.
You are never going to be able to convince the skeptics but on personal level debating is theraputic. It lets you trace and examine your own arguements and innermost beliefs...which may have been formed in conscience.

 But I enjoy debates that are informative, humorous and sincere.



Edited by lighthouse - 02 September 2007 at 11:46am
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Posted: 03 September 2007 at 11:56am | IP Logged
I personally feel that a good debate is the one in which ...where the participants all are of good knowledge and good attitude where each debator is forced to think all the times and where we make our opponent confused and rethink about his /her points with our sensible pointsSmile and arguments..!!
In bad debate...when the debators donot have stuff to prove.. then..they destroy the debate by bringing unnecessary elements like attitude ,personal attack and all other stuff and interestingly we have'nt seen such debates in DM yetTongue
In a nut shell good debate is like Verbal Kabbadi..played by professional playersTongue
Cheers,
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Posted: 03 September 2007 at 7:12pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by lighthouse



Good post Sourav and QT..!!!!


thanks lighty! i apprecate Smile and yes , nice post- @ sourav

But I enjoy debates that are informative, humorous and sincere.

i concur & would also add the word decent Embarrassed
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Posted: 05 September 2007 at 9:40pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by lighthouse

 

 Good post Sourav and QT..!!!!

 World history proves that sticky issues are sorted out by war and conflict and not the debate - Kauravs vs Pandavas, Rome vs everybody else  and World wars etc.
You are never going to be able to convince the skeptics but on personal level debating is theraputic. It lets you trace and examine your own arguements and innermost beliefs...which may have been formed in conscience.

 But I enjoy debates that are informative, humorous and sincere.

Ditto! Specially Sourav! nice article to share, was very informatic. Thanks!

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